Explain to me why communism does or does not work

Explain to me why communism does or does not work.

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The part involving people is usually the source of all our troubles concerning communism and socialism

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The behavior of humans does not work with communism.

Communal organisms require that all reproduction be carried out by a limited number of members in order to succeed.
The biological ratio of humans capable of bearing young, however, is over 50%. Because of this, both progeny and genetic self-interest ultimately take precedent.
At its core, this is ultimately what it comes down to. We try so very hard to ignore the biological aspects of our humanity that we hurt ourselves seeking the ideals.

Equality is a social construct.

It doesn't work because the conditions necessary for the workers of the world to unite have not come to fruition yet. Let globalism run rampant for another few decades and then the people will rise up. The whole world needs to be developed first.

Of course, 3D printing and automation might decentralize manufacturing and make globalization unnecessary again. If that becomes the case, whole regions of the world will never develop and will remain 3rd world shit holes for all time. Also, maybe the rich will just kill all the displaced poor with drones once labor value decreases enough that nobody will be able to support themselves. Then it will be paradise on earth where everyone that is left will be waited on hand and foot by robots who never complain about their rights or fair compensation.

>does communism work

Mozambique, USSR, Ethiopia, Congo, Angola, Yemen, Mongolia amongst many others are failed states under communism.

One just needs to look at history to see it doesn't work.

People are inherently lazy.
Why work when some other chump will do the work for you and you still end up with the same amount of resources.

Because
1: Giving the government infinite power over redistributing wealth is, well, kind of shitty.

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2: Because as soon as you tell me that I am going the receive the same lifestyle and benefits of everyone else regardless of effort or career choice I'm going to become a NEET/minimal effort worker, lazy prick that I am.

Communists literally believe:

- You give all power to a small party which will implement "socialism"

- This party needs a lot of military power to kill "counterrevolutionaries"

- Once you have killed all the "counterrevolutionaries" and society has become socialist, the government will abolish itself because it's no longer needed

It's pretty much the fairytale ideology of Hannibal Lecter.

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>The whole world needs to be developed first.
This is never going to fucking happen, people will still continue breeding in utterly inhospitable regions and our efforts to sustain them will only aggravate the situation.

People will need to die in the billions before your fantasy ever comes true.

It's never worked anywhere, at any time, ever.

People are always going to take the path of least resistance. If there's no difference between working your ass off and being a lazy prick, you're going to be a lazy prick.

Additionally, giving people that level of power is going to naturally breed corruption. It's almost a laughable concept that it's ever been tried.

Can't the enemy see how many bullets you have in you clip?

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My fantasy? I described a nightmare. I wish an economic revolution could happen, but it won't. The safest path is continued neoliberal economics with an ever increasing social safety net to support the 98% of people that are unemployable. That situation isn't great either though. Instead of being like Star Trek everyone just stays home and smokes weed and plays VR games and lives in shitty tiny apartments, and that's a best case scenario.

I'm pretty sure that when human labor becomes obsolete enough, the rich will start killing everyone that isn't a member of their protected class. Even if it is nice once everyone else is gone, a utopia cannot be built on a fucking massacre.

I was being hyperbolic saying that the workers cannot unite unless the whole world is developed. You're right. That won't happen, but if a revolution happens, it'll be when there's no new place to build a sweatshop so then there's no place where human labor is worth less than it is where you live. Of course, automation could throw a wrench in this entirely.

Maybe automation will bring a return to isolationist nationalism, where developed nations have large social safety nets because robots do everything. I imagine Sweden or Iceland or Switzerland could do well with this model, but hey, you'd still have shit hole backwater countries to pillage for resources so your huddled masses could live like relative kings with the whole world as their oysters. The shitty countries would be left with no recourse either, and no revolution possible.

Basically, the only equitable solution for humanity, and it's a fucking long shot is to let neoliberalism run its course and hope that at the end of the tunnel there's still a world left for everyone, and not just the elites to live in. Even that scenario, as I said before, is incredibly bleak.

>cherry picking third world shitholes
>USSR
>failure
hahaha ebin

That's completely wrong.

>Maduro
>communist mass killer
wew lad

>with an ever increasing social safety net to support the 98% of people that are unemployable
t. Tyronne.

TLDR socialism will never work because man is naturally lazy, selfish, and spiteful.
Communism completely ignores human behaviors.
A person who has all their basic needs guaranteed and no incentive to outperform their fellow worker will never work as hard as somebody who has an incentive better their lives

Then, the people in power are usually incompetent and/or corrupt. Misappropriating resources to benefit themselves or simply squandering it. Lord help anybody who will threaten their position.

Communism fails because people are greedy shits. Wait for artificial intelligences that can enforce it without human hang ups and it'll bring in utopia. Hail future machine overlords

It just doesn't.

no incentive for anyone to do anything unless they have a gun at their head

and that's not very nice is it?

same applies to communism.

Price discovery. It is that simple

Hell yeah.

>the only countries stupid enough to try communism are 3rd-world shitholes

No lo soy.

pl fag here... there is old polish saying from comuna ... i will translate " no matter if you standing , no mater if you lie 1000 zl is for you."
in comunism work was pressed on people or you go to jail , so efectivnes of workers was minimal. also free food in comunism and boi comunal food in poland 35 y ago was shit (thats what my parrents said to me)

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>Didn't read rules

What are you then?

it does not work because humans are still a factor at the highest levels and humans are incorrigible

>.22lr AR clone

Fuck that.

>Yugoslavia
>Eastern Europe
>third world
wew lad

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Thanks for posting this, beaner brother. It's a perfect illustration of how out of control things are.

What looks like a "current events" image macro is literally more than $1 trillion too low to even be relevant, and yet it wasn't much longer than 1 month ago the macro would have been appropriate.

Memes literally can't keep up with the spending.

Most people are motivated to work and compete out of either greed or fear of poverty. A society where everyone is artificially made equal regardless of their contribution is a recipe for disaster. Also history shows that any revolutionary redistribution of wealth ultimately leads to formation of a new elite. Communism would also require voluntary dedication of 100% of population which could be achieved only in very small groups for a limited amount of time.

>.22LR AR

come on maaaaaaaaaaaan

Communism can only last when everyone volunteers to be communist - when they choose to give up their ownership of things in order to share them with others. Small scale communism, such as that practiced by various religious groups, works for that reason.

Large scale though? Not going to happen. This is because most humans are driven by greed - there's nothing wrong with that, it's entirely natural. You'll always have some people who want more than other people, and those are typically the kind of people who will eventually rise to the top and be in charge of businesses and nations. People without drives simply don't tend to be leaders.

Thus, the leaders in a communist state would always be selfish people who put their own interests before the interests of their citizens and this would lead to communism falling apart. Capitalism chooses to harness human's greed.

This is also why communism is unsustainable in the long run. Marx had a vision that life under capitalism would get so bad, all of humanity would unite and voluntarily embrace communism in order to avoid the hell that existed under capitalism.

Now, just for the sake of argument, let's say that happened and everyone in the world became communist. No matter what, within two or three generations there wouldn't be anyone left alive who remembered the horrors of capitalism. People would say, "Fuck giving my stuff away," and start being greedy and selfish and communism would collapse.

Basically communism is a beautiful utopian ideal, but it simply can't exist on a large scale over a prolonged period of time due to human nature.

Some dude. That's all.

>Huur duur lets invest money into having large amounts of the population be unemployable. Also there is no options, we must live in tyranny and pray they don't kill us all because it's cheaper than paying for our entire existence while we breed.

Fucking kill yourself.

It's really shitty but there's no other option. Isolationist economic policies turn countries into backwater shit holes even faster. We just have to ride the tiger until it fucks us. Maybe it'll give us a reach around, but it probably won't. The Marxist revolution won't happen because the workers are irrelevant now.

>does not work.

Sooner or later you run out of other people's money.

communism doesn't work because my specific brand of communism hasn't been tried yet.

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Great Apes are a hierarchical set of species. They take poorly to anything that deviates from this pattern.

Perfectly logical and interesting answer backed by hard fact. Very appreciated

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It's Godless.

Its whole conception ontologically reduces things to economic relations, it can't account for nature in its vastness, including inner nature of course.

It's immoral, and based on resentment. It isn't built on - and in fact at times antagonism to - the very things that make life 'work'.

It's aesthetically limited and bleak.

It doesn't allow for human imperfection, and has nothing to speak to peoples desires, romantic yearnings, culture, need for belonging, meaning, ambition, or LOVE.

It sets itself against many of the things - like family - that hold things together at the social scale. And it forces its narrow view of things on people through strict 'education' and propaganda.

It's followers are losers and cunts and all around bad people who are born to get their shit rekt.

That's completely right.

That flag collection in here. Brainwashed degenerates commenting on things they don't understand with the preformed thoughts of their previous generation.

Yeah, it's mindblowing so many """intellectuals""" have continued to support some form of it for so long. These intellectuals are seriously overestimated.

>Communism Kills

I want to fuck her

communism: Everybody Gets an Equal share of nothing. One perminent downward spiral of available goods.

Communism works OK great for small poor countries. It keeps the general population from being raped by corporations.

Large countries, communism is abused until the entire country collapses, taking the world with it.

China is special, its a country that itself is run like a giant corporation.

Because any system ignoring human nature and inequality of man will fail in the long run.

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See: history book

feel free to move to Cuba and let us know how you like it

I doesn't work because humans exist.

Because other people are shit.

I don't want them making decisions for me.

omg look at how much energy those capitalist scumbags are using of MY EARTH'S ENERGY.

The best thing to do is kill half the population and take all their stuff to correct this injustice

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If you have a society of violent leaches that kill and steal in order to gain control over the "means of production" the society will stagnate technologically.

If you, as a capitalist, can't have any say over who owns and uses your capital, it will go to waste because a bunch of knucklehead communists WILL fuck it up because the equipment is never their responsibility, it's the community's. And when it fucks up, nobody will know how to fix it because the capitalists have been driven away.

Any time anyone tries to get ahead by making a better factory, commies will steal it from him.

Any time someone makes enough grain to store that is more than enough to feed his family, the commies take it.

Billion-dollar investments like cpu fabricators could never exist under communism.

It's the ideology of losers.

That's a .22lr - look at the magazine.

For some reason I wanna fuck Communism Kills so bad.

It's those big jewish tiddies and her eyebrows and her smug grin that do it for me.

Excellent post.

This is more like historically accurate prediction than an opinion.

Because economies need price signals in order to operate and communism eliminates prices.

Also, you're placing all industries under the command of a central bureaucracy, and if you've ever been to the DMV, post office, or rode public transit, you'd know that 99% of government workers are fucking mouth-breathers who aren't good enough at anything to have real jobs. The Soviets and Chinese starved by the millions because the people in charge of farming weren't farmers, but a bunch of assholes who went and got liberal arts degrees in Marxist Theory so that they could climb the ranks of government offices.