So, Sup Forums, I was thinking about OMD lately with what had been going on in Spider-Man/Deadpool. Clearly there's a difference between pre-OMD MJ and post-OMD MJ. The writers are clearly aware of this, since Slott wrote a terribly shitty MJ in his normal run, but suddenly in Renew Your Vows, she was back to normal. Now to Mephisto, I always thought the concept of him taking the two's marriage was odd. I mean, he's not an idiot, clearly he knows that there's a possibility that it could be brought together. So, obviously, he probably has some sort of back up plan, considering he's Mephisto and all, it must be something terrible. Now back to MJ, clearly pre-OMD MJ loved Peter and would likely do anything to stop him from coming to harm. So if she knew that Mephisto would plan something like this, it falls to reason that she might attempt to prevent it. So, what if, the thing she whispered to Mephisto, was actually a deal that she would remember her life pre-OMD. That way, she could do her best not to have Peter fall in love with her again, by acting like she's not interested, because she knows if they were to get back together her husband could die or something. Mephisto would obviously take the deal, because that just means more suffering from MJ.
The Mary Jane Conspiracy
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I don't see why you're still complaining. The fact that Spidey is single makes him connect more to the audience, since married superheroes have absolutely zero appeal. Can you just let it go and accept that?
Quesada, please fuck off, we don't like you here.
mephisto replaced or is influencing mary jane and spider-man gave him a foothold to take over earth. marvel will use the deal with mephisto to reignite it's supernatural titles. hell on earth: mephisto wars is coming
First off that's stupid. Second, she's shown more person as an individual character after OMD. And third, it's been almost a decade(though you're clearly a new reader who's just waifu'd MJ), get over it.
Wait if he's a new reader wouldn't he be more likely to be okay with OMD since that's all he's known her as?
>Second, she's shown more person as an individual character after OMD
Seriously, Quesada, don't you have better shit to do?
>So, what if, the thing she whispered to Mephisto, was actually a deal that she would remember her life pre-OMD.
Yeah, this has been speculated ever since it first happened, and a few things during BND could be interpreted as that.
This is so ridiculously immature that I really hope you're a samefag rather than more than one person who thinks that by posting this he's anything but cringeworthy. The least you could do is try to offer a counter argument.
ITT: Slott and Quesada come to Sup Forums.
Because it's universally acknowledged that it was a terrible idea among comic fans that the only person retarded enough to defend it would be someone involved in it.
At least use a proxy or something. We can see the post count.
>Implying.
Face it, you have shit taste.
Source on that art?
That fact has absolutely nothing to do with the statements made.
You MJfags are the cancer that plagues Spider threads.
>she's shown much more personality after OMD
Oh, I see what's going on.
That new Spider-event coming out?
It's gonna turn out MJ has been a clone this whole time after the real MJ absconded to Bumfuck, New Hampshire after getting knocked up out of wedlock.
>You MJfags are the cancer that plagues Spider threads.
I'm going out on a limb here and saying you're a Gwen fag, in which case, opinion disregarded.
Not up to date on Spiderman comics.
Didn't Peter and MJ have a child together? If so where is it now
Who is MJ with currently and who is Peter with currently
I actually dislike all three of Peter's main love interests, but I can see why you'd make such an assumption.
They've had a child in a few alternative universes. You're probably thinking of the more recent Renew Your Vows.
MJ is either single or dating some firefighter dude while Peter is currently single.
>Not up to date on Spider-Man comics
Good, it all went to shit and Slott keeps throwing a tantrum on Twitter talking about how he refuses to leave when someone brings it up.
>Didn't Peter and MJ have a child together? If so where is it now
I don't know which you're referring to, but I'll tackle all three I think you might be. They had an unborn child that died, an unborn child that was erased from existence, and in an alternate reality where OMD never happened, they ended up having a child, but she's not canon.
>Who is MJ with currently and who is Peter with currently
She use to date this firefighter during Superior, but something happened between them and they aren't together. She works for Tony Stark now and some people speculate that they fucked, though nothing is confirmed. Peter is trying to date, but no one seems to be interested. His last ex tried to murder him with a spider robot. There was this nice Succubus lady into science that Deadpool introduced him to named Jenny, but she got really pissed at him when she found out him and Deadpool were getting her to fight Fem Thor for their lesbo fantasies.
>You're probably thinking of the more recent Renew Your Vows.
Anime was a mistake
Well, giving Spidey to Slott was a mistake and letting Queseda's personal shit affect Pete's fictional life was a major blunder, but they just keep going with it
What does anime have to do with anything?
Their daughter's name was Annie May.
But Mephisto died along with the rest of the universe therefore he lost his claim to the marriage.
Richards put the deal in the new universe too because he thought it was funny
It's okay though, because Peter remembers now.
Yo OP, I'm real happy for you, and Imma let you finish, but MJ and Peter had one of the best marriages of all time. Of all time!
Seriously though. If you don't teach kids how to have any healthy relationships you end up with the weak, shitty culture you've got now.
Which issue is this from?
Spider-Man/Deadpool #5
No complaints here Kanye.
That doesn't mean that he KNOWS.
It's a nightmare, even if he remembers his dreams he wouldn't think it's anything more than subconscious dream gibberish.
And besides, in the end of OMD Mephisto said Pete would from then on always have a nagging doubt right down to his soul about something he couldn't identify. This is that.
But yeah, M.J. has obviously known the truth since then.
I'm pretty sure he was dead, not dreaming
Yeah, it's character assassination.
No, he was in purgatory because Deadpool shot him. He's fully aware that was where he was. Unless Mephisto was just one of Mysterio's illusions like Uncle Ben was.
>what if, the thing she whispered to Mephisto, was actually a deal that she would remember her life pre-OMD
We went over this particular theory some time back and some attempts to blow up her tiny word balloons strongly implied that was exactly what the deal was. And you're spot on about the suffering part as a bonus.
The problem with this is that since then, we've already had a flashback to that conversation where we heard it –and what she told him was "you don't ever get to interfere in his life again" which he readily agreed to. MJ told Mephisto Peter wouldn't agree to any deal she didn't sign off on, and that was her condition.
Out of continuity, I think the original tiny print deal was JMS, the weaker deal was whoever wrote that issue (probably Slott), and the revival of MJ as The One True Pairing has less to do with OMD and more to do with noticing the specific message of Rebirth over at DC: you lose readers when your reboots are based on severing relationships.
Overall OMD damaged her character in ways that will require work to undo. She wasn't in my estimation a great character to begin with but she evolved from a hipster to a bedrock who exemplified faith in Peter; since OMD she's been someone you really couldn't stand to be around for more than five minutes. One of the reasons I really liked the SpOck/Anna dynamic was because Anna believed in "Peter" and helped make him a better person. Post-OMD MJ only talks about looking out for herself, and it genuinely surprised her when "Peter" blew her off for exactly that reason, as though that ought to have been her prerogative (and she took it when Peter regained his identity).
>an unborn child that was erased from existence
the best part about that? The panel where we saw her as a young girl was traced from a photo of Joe Quesada's daughter.
Post more MJ.
Sexy, supportive, clever or all three. Good MJ.
Is she talking of her tits or vagina bones ??
lol, it's obvious at one point this will happen... Peter and MJ reunite and Mephisto will be pissed so he'll unleash demons on earth and we'll get some shitty supernatural marvel crossover big event that will print $$$$
I wish her and Tony would fuck already
I wish you'd die in a fire.
Who says they aren't?
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>since married superheroes have absolutely zero appeal
>you're clearly a new reader who's just waifu'd MJ
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praise it yeezus
I liked Annie. They should've just retconned her and her older sister May having existed this whole time.
Shouldn't Deadpool be aware of all of this anyway? Is that why it's happening?
I knew I should've read that run. Damnit.
The fact that everyone else that reads comics absolutely hates OMD/separated MJ/Spiderman would lead me to believe you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
When has Deadpool ever been reliably aware of anything?
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Based 90's MJ
Single spidey doesn't work. It was done before and became incredibly tedious and formulaic. Marvel just cant write good stories of Peters love life no matter how hard they tried. Him being tied down has more drama potential than the repeat of "Oh peter left my date for some reason, hey look spidermans here!" drama for the umpteenth time.
I hate MJ's 90s pornstar look. One of the things that ended up ruining spiderman.
Fuck mcfarlane.
Dammit. If the execs are NEVER EVER gonna let Peter and MJ get together, why not retire her character? At this point, she's no better than Black Cat. They're both just a drag.
We killed off Gwen. Lets just kill her off too.
Dude. Killing off bitches shouldn't be a solution, can u imagine the shit storm? Plus it would be redundant and tedious af since Gwens already dead.
He's been actually pretty aware of his surrounding ever since Duggan started writing him. He lost his multiple voice in his head and has been rather depressed for most of his second to last ongoing
However Deadpool wasn't present during that Mephisto portion, that works more like a dream rather than a resurrection. He was also occupied with talking to Lady Death in that moment
Bendis, with all his shit, appears to be rather anti-OMD, so I thing he wouldn't have them having sex
Wow that pic needs to be quality enlarged. It's beautiful. Is it fan art or animation screen cap?
not op but Search up Des Taylor on Deviant art. You will find several differnet larger versions of Lewd MJ. The one OP posted is by that guy and he has a larger image on his devart page.
Well she's literally not apart of Peter's world anymore. She's too busy chumming it up with Tony.
As for redundant and tedious, yeah. Welcome to the Big Two. And I doubt there'd be that big of a shit storm. They're going to great lengths to make her out as not worth anyone's time.
SpiderJ SpiderJ she and Spidergwen share an X lay.
Fairly certain Mephisto's speech here refers to the end of the issue, where he says something about Peter never being able to find happiness because of the life he chose or something like that. Might not be about OMD.
Yea but there are plenty of readers who are waiting for Peter/MJ to hook up again....I'm just saying the shit storm will be there.
Hell Gwen was boring as shit and her death caused a massivr shitstorm as well
Stan Lee practically forced Conway to revive her, hence why we got the first Clone Saga.
It was obviously talking about OMD.
The following page he says that anything he could do wouldn't ever bring him happiness, because he would always miss "something", that is literally what he already said during OMD
I don't want too connect with a hero who can't stay married or not allowed to have a girlfriend.
Worst of all pushing gay characters having relationships and working.
MJ has an aunt Anna. Peter has an aunt May.
I really want to see where the Iron MJ story goes. likely nowhere, since it's Slott, but maybe.
>I really want to see where the Iron MJ story goes.
She saves them from big bad Regent, she and Peter apologise to each other for their attitude and that's it.
>They had an unborn child that died, an unborn child that was erased from existence, and in an alternate reality where OMD never happened, they ended up having a child, but she's not canon.
It's funny to me how they're doing Spiderman so fucking wrong. This is their most popular character that's a fucking household name, arguably even more popular than Superman, and yet they just don't get how to write him. He really should've gotten a child with MJ by now.
I mean, MJ and Spiderman is easily the Lois Lane and Superman of Marvel. In DC nowadays, Lois Lane and Superman have a kid together, and had him for years, and the kid is even about to fight crime like his pops in Rebirth.
In current Marvel, Peter is a dateless jabroni who fucked up his love life to save his old aunt who's just gonna fucking die of old age eventually. Now he'll never have that kid with MJ, which is sad, because that's what definitely should've happened by now.
>there are plenty of readers who are waiting for Peter/MJ to hook up again
Point of order: many of us stopped being readers. I haven't read Marvel comics in a while because they haven't interested me in a while.
Being Peter Parker = Suffering + MJ. That's the equation and how you balance it out. Stray from the equation and things fall out of balance.
You could argue that right now he has more reasons to be happy than whe he was married.
His company is among the biggest in the world.
He's helping old friends and enemies get back on their feet and fix their mistakes.
He's literally changing the world with his inventions.
He's saving lives and making the world a better place for people around the globe with the Uncle Ben Foundation.
He went from "My life sucks but at least I have my wife" to not needing an "at least" at all. He's doing the great things he always had the potential to do and while most people call his book boring I'm loving every panel of it simply because I get to see Peter in a good place.
If I can't be happy, Peter can't be happy
t. Quesada
I guess there's something to that, but it certainly makes the "people can't relate to a married man" argument sound hypocritical and silly. I don't relate to this Peter much at all. Most people can't. Peter shouldn't (usually) be a power fantasy.
So what happens if they do reverse OMD? Everyone gets their memories back and retcons/magical alterations to the timeline get undone?
Peter and MJ get back together, or at least have the possibility
Aunt May dies
Unborn May Parker get un wiped from existence
The world remembers Peters public unmasking
I vaguely recall OMD fucking up Harrys story as well somehow.
... you're joking, right? I know he was the EiC, but no one really told him that was a stupid and creepy idea?
its a well known fact, the actual picture comparison is floating around somewhere, but i'm not going to be assed to find it right now.
It is creepy as fuck.
I'm so glad I stopped reading Marvel.
I haven't read a whole lot of Spiderman but after reading torment I can say he dident lose much mj is a horrible piece of nightclubbing shit.
It was still retarded to break up the marriage
>the revival of MJ as The One True Pairing has less to do with OMD and more to do with noticing the specific message of Rebirth over at DC: you lose readers when your reboots are based on severing relationships.
Quite likely
There auctualy kind of right Peter has to seem young and he has to have money troubles those are parts of his character.
Problem is it makes no sense for him to keep having money troubles he's a genius.
Still with the relationships now that kamala is filling the teenager representative role why can't spidy stay married now
People do seem to be more nostalgic about her rather than anything.
That was the 90s u fuck. When everyone in Marvel was written horribly. Including Peter, who turned into an angsty wife beater rather than the quipy fun guy we love.
See thats why him being a teacher makes sense. He uses his genius to inspire the next generation while relying on a teachers salary. As a result he still has money problems!
Then there is also the option of him trying to be a lecturer at uni or something. Those guys get paid shit as well but at least he gets to teach and shit.
Pete being a Tony 2.0 is something from an alternate reality or something....not maistream crap.
when was this?
... I like Peter being Tony 2.0. It's kinda where I've felt he (eventually) would be.
Somewhere around the end of the first arc of Marvel Knights Spider-man. Same story where she told Peter she has a debt of $25,000.
While I can accept that fact, the problem is the way he reached that point
He didn't do anything to reach that point, he just "inherited" it from SpOck the character tha, I remind you, has much more love for life and beauty than Peter
Yea BND peter id just a selfish manchild. Like people genuinely loved spock because he seemed like a better person than the shit version of Parker we have been following for a decade.
I guess that's fair.
Pretty much my only other exposure to Spiderman was about 10 issues of his first comic
Well, since the spoilered part is what Slott himself said, I suppose it's a fair opinion of the character
That's a very good solution to the money problem.
So now that we have solved the problem of Pete's money and kamala now means Pete is allowed to stay in a relationship does this mean Spiderman can be good again
yeah sorry if I came off as an aggressive ass. It simply pisses me off when people base of MJ from the 90s when everyone was written horribly... YET she is blamed by editorial for ruining spiderman when it was the shitty writing and storylines that caused that crap to fucking happen.
I am glad we got JMS to redeem the spider marriage for a while there.
Which boggles me on why the fuck Slott just doesn't write a good peter? Like he has written him before in Spidey/Torch miniseries or RYV! Like for fucks sake just fix him from being a man child because I know you can Slott.
Probably because they think he must be a manchild to make it relatable to the children, that are the only people that should ever find Spidey relatable
Why not directly make it all-ages like Hellcat if that's the audience they want for the character?
Superman is a big seller right now
He's married.
With a kid.
You lose.
Honestly its really creepy of modern marvel, namely the 21st century guys have a huge fetish for a young childlike Peter. Which basically influenced the decision a great deal to keep him single.
like jesus fuck how many times have we heard Marvel Editorial saying that Peter should be in high school?
in the comics Peter stayed in HSC for like 2 years... in the TV shows that followed Peter stayed in College, the animated series, amazing friends, new animated series etc etc. The Raimi Spiderman films graduated him as well and ASM film series barely dwells on it.
Granted we got marvel adventures, ultimate spidey and spectacular spiderman showing his teenage years can be viable. But those are super recent and were only successful thanks to good writing. Even then Ultimate was slowly declining prior to Peter's death and so was marvel adventures spidey.
Look at the new cartoon Ultimate Spidey, its fucking shit. Its like they listened to te marketing team who went "hey kids like kids, make spidey a kid."
Even tho no kid really gives a shit if he is a teen or not. I know I for sure didn't and my younglings don't either.
>Slowly Peter's spirits begin to rise.
So that's what he named his dick.
To be fair his age is what made him so popular to begin with