/LANG/ Language learning general

>Learning resources
First and foremost check the Sup Forums Wiki. Please contribute to the wiki as you learn a new language. Many pages need updates. Some pages are completely absent (Hungarian for example)

4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_Sup Forums_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Check """pastebin.com/ACEmVqua"""; for plenty of language resources as well as some nice image guides.

/Lang/ is currently short on those image guides, so if you can pitch in to help create one for a given language, don't hesitate to do so!

Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30 plus languages:
Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages:
drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk# (Links to the other folders, apparently it was taken down from the original drive)

Other urls found in this thread:

reddit.com/r/linguistics/wiki/readinglist
youtube.com/watch?v=_L9b2ifwqlQ
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

Apology for poor Proto-Indo-european

when where you when /ling/ dies

I was sat home studying Polish when /DJT/ ring

'/ling/ is die'

'no'

And you????????????

what’s the most hardest, and most easiest language for you to learn coming from your native language user?
>inb4 english
lets hear something unique, cause i know english is stupid easy

What's the difference in Spanish between "Lo estaba comprando" and "Lo compraba?"

Is English stupid easy or is there just a ton of resources and exposure to it? tv, music, internet, other speakers?

>Easiest
If we're excluding English, probably Norwegian or German
>Hardest
Japanese or Mandarin

WHY IS LANG SO SLOW THE NORMIE FUCKS WERE SUPPOSED TO MAKE A NEW YEARS RESOLUTION TO LEARN A NEW LANGUAGE AND KEEP US BUMPED

Don't worry, frogposting will attract the Normies likes flies

Anything I can do to help.

Help me int, ive been learning french for four months now and im starting to get fed up with my lack of progress and lost interest in the language. Ive been having a blast with learning japanese on the side though, so im considering dropping french and doing japanese full time.

Should i do it?

I've decided to learn Italian
This is gonna be the first language I will ever have tried to learn, wish me luck.

Good luck user. I'm about 7 months into Spanish and can barely get anything across. I'm a retard though, you'll do better. People usually do.

I was considering Spanish, it will be a fuck tonne more useful but I hate it, it sounds like shit and all things Spanish disgust me. Its just so cheap and vile.

Why is it that so many of the resources that come up on Google for "learn x language" are just touting useless (((free trials)))? I'm trying to start on Italian and it's a pain in the ass to learn it for free.

I agree. I moved to Miami though and can barely get around in my own country. I'm doing it more out of necessity than love.

I was just in Italy and Italian does sound very good. I think French sounds the best, but both are very beautiful.

Soz m8 I forgot to make a resolution this year. I'll go push some buttons on Duolingo and pretend that I'm learning something now.

Well even the biggest dumbest normalfags hate shit like So thread's over I guess

brainlet wojak is quality memes, not sure what you are talking about. how can anyone not like that?

> english is stupid easy
Irony in four words.

Easiest: Latin
Hardest: Sanskrit

Didn't start with Latin? You won't make it.

If you want to learn any language for free, the first step must always be Google Books. Search for the free, out-of-copyright, Victorian grammars.

>latin
Dead language, I'm not working for the pope so na senpai.

Thousands still speak and write in Latin. And it has over 2000 years as the lingua franca of science, technology, and literature.

Best language for an Anglo to get into languages. Bar none.

>easiest
Macedonian(Serbo-Croatian if you don't count Macedonian as a separate language from Bulgarian)
>hardest
probably Japanese

I want to read a French or German book
My problem is that I'm too lazy to look up every word I don't know in vocabulary
Recently I learned about bilingual books, what are they? Where can I get one? Amazon delivery pricing is insane, and I couldn't find a bilingual French - English book, too

Where in Miami do you live user?

Stuck in limbo, waiting to find out if I am going to end up in the PRC and so going to have to learn Mandarin.

Bump

I'm reading Jules Verne's "Vingt Milles Lieues Sous Les Mers" in French right now. I'd advise starting with something simple or small, like Perrault's fairy tales, trying to figure out each word you don't know and consulting a dictionary if you can't figure it out.

Anyone else studying Latin?

Anyone who keeps mumbling meme "LE ENGRISH IS AN EASY LANGUAGE" is a retard.

t. have been learning it for 3 years and still not fluent in it

You've been learning it the wrong way
Everyone knows Swedish education is even worse than Lebanese and Iranian

>r*ssia

Miami Beach, you live in the Miami area also?

I was always tempted to learn German, but I've been taking Spanish off and on for years in school, so I should probably focus on that. German just sounds more pleasant than spanish though, and it's not nearly as fast.

I want to learn Welsh because it's the language of my homeland and it grew on me.

Japanese is pleasant sounding too.

Yeah. The southwest suburbs ~40-50 minutes from the beach with no traffic. You need a Spanish tutor? No homo shit though

Swedish education is Lebanese & Iranian

>German sounds pleasant
You fuckin' wot?!

Japanese sounds so optimistic

It does actually, but more like a language for war

...

This seems like the place to ask

What would be a good intro book to linguists?

WWII movies are so kino for this reason. German is such a great war language

there's probably something useful here: reddit.com/r/linguistics/wiki/readinglist under general linguistics.

if you don't feel like buying the books, search for them on library genesis.

kek

>linking to the site that killed this one

I believe Welsh is much easier to learn for an english speaker. And if you're actually in Wales you might have an easy time finding people to talk Welsh to or find Welsh resources

easiest - Spanish
hardest - Arabic

>easiest
Spanish, without a doubt. It's like simplified Portuguese.
>hardest
Japanese, probably.

>Easy
Portuguese maybe. It's just like Spanish with retarded grammar
>Difficult
Something esoteric like Basque or Georgian

I'm trying on my own for now, but eventually I probably will. Just trying to learn everything I can before I start paying someone - not to mention tough scheduling with my work schedule. :/

Just tons of exposure; I started understanding how hard it is to new learners once I began learning spanish french italian japanese, and realized how much of those have simple contextual sentences compared to the specificity and pronunciation of english.
Spanish and italian is (mostly) spoken as written, and the japanese student have to learn hundreds or thousands of new sounds compared to the 48 they're familiar with.

I'd like to propose Nina Hagen as residential Deutsch-Waifu

youtube.com/watch?v=_L9b2ifwqlQ

I really want to learn Persian because I love the way it looks/sounds and I love Persian culture

On the other hand, my wife wants us both to learn Spanish so when we have children in the future we can raise them bilingual with Spanish

Wat do?

Pick up Spanish
Don't be a -boo, it's based on emotions and feelings so you'll eventually drop it, lacking anything concrete to stick up with.
I'm sure spanish is a lot more relevant to americans than any other

easiest - aromanian or southern italian languages/dialects if a meme
italian proper if not
hardest - subjective, but i guess some african language or arabic
i found both chinese and jap to be quitr logical

why not try romanian?
were like the english of romance languages in terms of grammatical getachments and proniunciation

>getachments
detachment

First one is "I was buying it"
Second one is roughly equivalent to "I used to buy it"

At what point should I upload my homemade anki deck? I'm at around 1000 cards but only 450 or so notes.

Do persian if you're into it, it's a really great language to learn.
t. persiaboo

There's a library near me that teaches Welsh. I should go there.

I'm always tempted to learn Anglo-Saxon (as much as a dead language can be learnt) but I feel that, for the amount of effort required, I could just learn German or something more useful.

this. a thread died with zero replied yesterday

Thanks!

What language?
Such is life

>Leben Sie das Reiseangebot
ok will do
>"Die kältesten Tage des Jahres sind die schönesten. Deshalb sollte man sie nicht in den eigenen vier Wänden verbringen"
wtf I hate this textbook now.

>Leben
Lesen**

Lesbian*

if I had stronger dyslexia, or if Freud had a stronger hold of me, you bet homie

Persian. Spanish isn't as useful as people say it is unless you live in Cali, Texas, or New Mexico.

Learn what you're interested in. If you have a genuine interest, learning it will come easier.

Please don't forget South Florida.

t. miamianon gringo

Someone give me a quick rundown on korean. I live somewhere with fuck all oppurtunity and am 2 years away from fcompleting my degree. My brother has a business over there and he said he'd secure me a job for as long as I want. Heavily considering it lads.

I don't know the answer to your question, but do you like Ireland? Just curious.

Sure. Great place great people but where I am there's fuck all jobs and all the city here are shitholes.

Do you think Brexit helps or hurts Ireland?

Don't really know friend, haven't looked into it.

Well good luck to you. Korea sounds really interesting if you go.

how do Germans differentiate the 'das' = this and 'das' = that?

i think you have to look at the rest of the sentence, but usually its not too hard

a sentence starting with "das ist" is usually "this/that" whereas an article + verb = the

Hey /lang/, does anyone have any experience learning a language that has minimal resources?

Ignore the flag, I'm Chinese and I've been studying Mandarin/Chinese for all of the life and I want to learn Taiwanese Hokkien and maybe Shanghainese in the future because of family reasons. However, Hokkien and especially Shanghainese are some of those languages that they don't really teach because the speakers generally learn it growing up at home.

Is there any way I can learn these languages from burgerland or would it be wiser if I went to Taiwan/China(Shanghai) to learn these?

*for all of my life

You need to talk to Mari-user. Hopefully he is lurking. He found some oddballs texts translated and listens to internet radio.

kinda
taiwanese hokkien has a glossika, which teaches a lot of vocab and grammar through GONDEGZD :DDDDD
up to b1/b2 iirc
youll have to figure out the grammar for yourself, but itll teach you how people speak
no idea about shanghainese
hows your accent?
you may be able to find a native speaker to help you if you help them practice english

Learning Anglo-Saxon would still be "studying" German, in a sense. You would have a better time studying German after wrapping your head around the cases and verb conjugation of Old English, since they're quite similar. I'm sure there's also some considerable vocabulary overlap.

Im sure you could find some websites that can help. They might look like they were made by a 14 year old sometimes, but still.
Perhaps look for resources in another language? Like, for example i imagine it might be easier to find Shanghainese materials in Mandarin/Chinese than in English.
Theres also reverse engineering phrase books, but that kind of sucks.

Of course, it will always be better to learn these languages in the places where they're spoken. You'll probably have better luck finding resources there. For example, it's hard to find swiss german resources, but book stores here in Switzerland have some materials.

Thanks for the heads up, user.

When I speak English I sound 100% burger but when I speak Mandarin its a Taiwanese accent according to my family and the Taiwanese people I speak to. I'll take your advice, user. I'll try to find some penpals or people that can help me online for now. Thanks!

I've been attempting to find resources for Shanghainese because the younger generation (my generation) doesn't really give a rats ass about anything other than Mandarin and English. However, the next time I visit Shanghai I'll see if there's any books that teach it. Thank you!

youre welcome senpai

When you say burger you sound 100% "younger generation".

Not that user, but I'm 32 and call myself a Burger. I think it's kinda cute, and I'm super thin so it doesn't really offend me or anything. Not in public of course, but here...

>just accidentally asked a Spanish question in the wrong general
>got an answer instantly
think it could be a qt and I could have a Spanish gf?

you're basically already married. Save the date.

Learn Persian.
To learn something you need to have the will to do so. Half assed efforts product of reluctance and lack of will lead to years of frustration. I tell you this from own experience, since this is what I've experienced with English up to now.

Getting very frusturated with my language learning. I feel like I'm missing out on stuff now too. I used to be really up to date on the news and politics, have all the latest music that took time at night to search for. Now just study in my free time, and feel bad for not when I'm not studying. I think this makes me less and less motivated, and not making much progress makes things worse. I think it's mostly boredom and feeling like everything is tedious. I'm hoping by pushing through to where I can at least read the news in my TL.

Sorry for the blogpost but figured others may have similar feels.

give lingq a try. you can use it for free for a bit. import news articles in your target language and it'll help you get through the text.

Thanks, I'll check that out.

actually I was feeling like this today as well. I sit in front of my computer trying to study but just not wanting to deal with everything that I have to do to study, but then I feel bad for not studying if I go out so I dont go out.

This is getting unhealthy, I need to find a better way to balance everything.

What tools are you using to learn?

I got through Level 3 Pimsleur Spanish (there are 5 total), but was just so bored I switched to Michel Thomas. That's a bit easier to digest, but it started off better than it is now. The end of Foundations he really rushes through a bunch of stuff, so I'm sitting here trying to re-listen a bunch and study. It's like he went "oh fuck I'm half way through CD 7, only have room for 8 CDs so I better teach the future and past tenses really fast!

A textbook (the 3rd in a series of like 4 or 5. I'll probably stop after this one though and just go the more passive learning route), anki, and talking to people IRL (learning German so that's doable here). I used Pimsleur for a while as well last year, but yeah that got annoying.

I'm hoping to get back to Pimsleur after I finish everything from Michel Thomas. Then I'll see where I'm at. I may at some point hire a tutor, there are lots of tutors in my area so it's pretty affordable. I'm also around a lot of people that speak my target language and I've been trying a lot but I can't understand a word and forget everything I've learned when I try to speak it.