>Hillary is blatantly corrupt and a liar >The DNC is obviously corrupt and set up Hillary to win far before the primaries begun, sabotaged Bernie >Hillary in the pocket of wall street >Is possibly not even physically fit to be president
Meanwhile: >Trump can't go a day without fucking something up >His entire party hates him >He never states a concrete view on anything, just vaguely says he'll do better >Was an obama birther
Yet they're the only two options. Nobody is seriously voting for the two third parties, and they have basically no chance of winning at all.
Why? Can any Americans who aren't trumpfags explain this to me?
Because Third parties will either side with Hillary's views or will be bought out by special interests.
Trump isn't bought out like them, and that is why people want him in.
Oliver Long
It's nationalism vs globalism, Trump is the only nationalist
Jayden Ross
This explains why people would vote Trump over third parties
it doesn't explain why people are currently set to vote for Hillary by a landslide, when she is known to be corrupt
why aren't liberals third party?
Evan Scott
>literally defends gun manufacturers and expresses the typical NRA position on gun control during a fucking democratic debate >hurr why didn't he win, the DNC must have rigged it
Logan Bennett
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!
Eli Reed
Because they think Trump is literally Hitler
Josiah Gray
Because the US presidential system is "winner takes all". If you vote for a third party, even if a lot of people vote, it will end up second at best. It will not end up winning.
If the election were proportional, voting smaller parties makes somehow more sense. But there would be more infighting between all the parties, as happens in proportional election countries.
So you vote for the one that has a realistic chance of being elected. You might like Jill Stein, but voting for her is throwing your vote away since she will never win.
US was always 2 party system, but funnily enough, the actual parties changes (there was Federalist Party, Whig Party, National Republicans)
John Turner
It's ingrained in everyone's head that these are the only two options and that the third party votes are just wasted votes, this would be the election that a third party could win in but they're just not big enough to be taken seriously as a viable option.
Levi Sanders
The Dems are propped up by niggers and spics. It was even in the leaked emails - target Latinos because they and their family will be party loyal for life. Nigs don't want to lose welfare.
Nicholas Ross
Why do they keep this system?
Jack Sanchez
>Hillary is blatantly corrupt and a liar
And Trump isn't?
Robert Edwards
I think that in order to change it, it would have to be changed in the constitution and basically someone from the two parties would need to want that.
But I am actually not very well versed in US laws so I am not 100% sure how would the system need to be changed. But basically it would change the US democracy from top to bottom.
Jordan Parker
I hope all you stars and stripes posters are ready for an elected leader you hate
Caleb Cook
Trump is blatantly a liar in my opinion, or just ignorant, but I don't see evidence of him being corrupt.
At most, you could make a tenuous argument that he is, along the lines that you could make one for any politician.
Hillary actually is. It's not a debate, it's not speculation, she just is and everyone knows it but also nobody seems to care.
Nolan White
this is why i don't vote at all
Joshua Rodriguez
You have to understand that corruption is so endemic to our society now that more and more people are seeing it as a virtue.
Asher Clark
Is he corrupt with tax payer money? Is there a 30,000+ email archive of his company on wikileaks?
Robert Sanchez
>USA's last president was elected because of his skincolor >this one elected because of her gender
is that worse than being elected because you said you will legalize weed?
Bentley Ross
>tfw so much simpsons is now bleeding into real life
Jackson Sanders
>trump can't go a day without fucking something up i'm unsure as to whether this is the case, or if it's like dilbert-sama says, that he's playing 3d chess. his unorthodox tactics have worked in the past.
>his entire party hates him this is seen as a positive for most voters—the southern voting bloc remain loyal to the republican name and admire someone who stands up for his beliefs (remember duck dynasty? me neither, but there's an example)
the independents and bernie-busters appreciate that GOPe hates him, since they grew up hearing that dubya was literally satan for the war on terror. the fact that trump had the balls to call out both clintons and bushes earned him respect.
>just vaguely says he'll do better two things: one, people don't remember abstract policy; they vote based on images and gut feels. compare "i'll defend immigration reform and allocate double the budget to border police" to "i will build a big, beautiful wall... and mexico's gonna pay for it!"
two: that's the genius of MAGA, as obama tapped into with "hope and change". it means whatever you want it to mean. think america was great under reagan? fine, you'll get neoconservatism. think america was great under andrew jackson, the foul-mouthed bank buster? trump's your man.
>was an obama birther dude, come on... you know hillary started this one.
>why won't people vote third-party? because we have a two-party system, and the only reason people would vote 3rd-party in an election is not to win, but to legitimize third-party candidates in future election. the MSM have framed this election (on both sides) as much too important to vote in such a future-thinking way—the world is going to end tomorrow!
Adam Taylor
Look up CGP Grey's videos about voting. Basically explains the problem. You think the establishment is against trump? In no fucking circumstance would they allow a third party candidate to win the election even if the entire population voted for him.
Nathan Jackson
>"His" entire party hates him
Both parties are Hillary's parties by virtue of being paid by the same super banks and corporations.
Austin Hill
No, he isn't.
Lincoln Gray
>Was an obama birther
Ironically it was Hillary Clinton that started the birther movement.
Parker Barnes
Without sounding like a parrot the polls are currently *tweaked* other polls have showed only 55% of beanie voters will go to Clinton, 18% will feel the Johnson and 22% to Trump. Also the high polls will signal to anyone who hates Clinton but doesn't want to "risk" Trump, is that they won't actually have to leave their house to vote for Satan, since she has it In the bag.
Jaxson Lee
These fucking shills desecrating our aussie flag
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
William Ramirez
A third party would need to get a certain amount of votes first.
Real talk, what will make Sup Forums explode more? Hillary winning or Trump winning?
Aaron Turner
>He never states a concrete view on anything, just vaguely says he'll do better Why do liberals still believe this? I know they're probably too lazy to actually watch any speeches but it's all clearly detailed on the website. A simple google search would suffice.
Levi Lopez
Obama wasn't nearly as bad because I don't recall him using 'ayo im a nigga too' as a campaign point, whereas Hillary is actively trying to use her gender to garner votes
Weedman would fall between them because its a bait for millennials and hippies but it's still technically proposing a policy
Carson Kelly
>Real talk, what will make Muslims explode more? Hillary winning or Trump winning? Fify
Asher Rodriguez
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Noah White
>>Was an obama birther
So was Hillary.
Anthony Stewart
Now you just have to put the two pieces togeether and you have the whole story
Jaxon Smith
Look up DuVergets law. The electoral districts are set up such that two predominant parties will always emerge over a long enough timeline.
Cameron Phillips
Wouldn't they just need to get rid of the first past the post system? That would gradually show that other parties or individuals can get representation, rather than just getting their votes basically thrown away
Levi Perez
Aren't Canadian elections somewhat of a clusterfuck? I the US I could see 4 major parties. Basically and moderate/secular alt-right, fundie Christian right, corporate minority pandering left, and green "socialist" left.
Lucas Nelson
he didn't have to do that to gain nigger and liberal white-guilt votes
Joshua Sanders
The past few elections have been split across 3 main parties (with one usually winning the majority of seats), and a forth and fifth party getting like 1-2 seats each.
Jayden Harris
Yeah I was gonna post this. It was pretty much a given. I remember my local news interviewing people downtown and they were like "So why did you vote for Obama? "Cause he black!" Like right off the boondocks. Also lots of whites to be part of the "historic" first (half) black president Yeah I'm torn between "some representation is better than none" and "splitting the vote" but I guess if it were allocated proportionally they'd agree on some issues anyway. Wonder how a no party system would work