Homestuck

I can't believe people followed this awful webcomic for 7 years and get fucked over this hard.

And now it's on life support and relying on fucking gay pairings to fund their shitty kickstarter game.

I can't believe Hussie broke our hearts.

Other urls found in this thread:

mspfanventures.com/?s=14113&p=1
twitter.com/NSFWRedditGif

Stop

legit dont understand why you people make threads if you hate homestuck so much. go play pokemon

it's just a veiled attempt at keeping not-hsg going

just stop until there's something new guys jesus

>go play pokemon
>fucking server problems and game keeps freezing when you catch something
I want to break Niantic's fucking necks and Hussie's neck as well.

yes but unlike hsg, these threads actually stay on topic pretty much the whole time. hsg just ended up being a chatroom. hst is 50 or so people unironically discussing something they hate 24/7

You know, I was thinking the other day about how much I liked the initial parallels and contrasts between the beta kids. Some of this is quite intricately done when you get to thinking about it.

>John is one of the cheery, open-hearted, trusting, optimistic prospit kids and doesn't mind being passive
>Likes to set people straight, tell the facts as they are, and gets frustrated or mocks when others try to deceive him
>Has an interest in physical "fake" magic - card tricks, sleight of hand, deception, misdirection, disguise - all prankster/entertainer stuff that doesn't actually change the matter involved, just rearranges it to alter your perception of what's happening
>Gets a dark, foreboding land full of oily businessmen in which he has to fulfil cryptic demands written on crude stone tablets, and his method of travel is trapping himself inside of small pipes and trusting a capricious breeze that takes him wherever it wills

>Rose is one of the serious, self-contained, facetious, cynical derse kids and actively aims to be in control
>Likes to turn people in circles, tell half-truths and altered stories to see their reaction, and becomes highly amused when others try to deceive her
>Has an interest in chemical "real" magic - spells, potions, rituals, ressurection, destruction - all wizard/cult stuff that tangibly changes the matter involved and has a consequential effect on the user/their world
>Gets a light, pure land full of white sands and rainbows in which she has attentive devotees at her beck and call, and pretty much nothing which stands in her way or diverts her from following her own thoughts and actions to their fullest extent

I could go on and on forever but basically

>cool detached emotionless kid gets hot, thumping bleeding heart lavaland with highly interactive naks
>friendly tropical green thumb girl gets frozen, silent volcanic wasteland with dormant thips

shit's really cool

>that image
>we could have had the kids each playing their lands instrument to make a complete song
add it to the pile of shit that would have been great

>john slammed and jammed out on a colossal pipe organ to free the breeze
>never got rose playing a violin with waterfalls of rainbow light cascading down to form the strings
>never got dave's illest beat session ever via spinning and pinging the gear discs off the scaffolding needles to reverbate music through the planet core
>never got jade playing a hauntingly rejuvenating bassline that wamed the forge, thawed the land and imbued the plants and animals with the rhythm of life DESPITE HER DOING IT ALREADY AT HOME

...

...

FUCK ARCTIS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
DIDIDE BROS WHERE U AT

>these threads actually stay on topic pretty much the whole time

this is a good thing and also a bad thing because there's nothing left to discuss

one thing i found really weird in these threads was how the general opinion of pipeorgankind changed, it used to be hated until it was in a flash, and suddenly people think its one of the best songs

...

>And now it's on life support and relying on fucking gay pairings
Meenah and Vriska broke up, you know. And their pairing was mostly a joke to gay shippers in the first place.

...

why does she always look mildly bemused

an interesting counterpoint to overture

opinion on cool and new web comic?

overshilled and overpraised

Overrated trash and rosemary shit
>Kanaya is the normal troll

it's already accepted that she's going to be shitty the next time we see her, to show that the shittiness is an advancing threat

I don't hate Homestuck, but maybe because I invested only 6 months of my life in it and not 7 years like most of you guys.

>cool and new web comic?
what? Did hussie start drawing again?

mspfanventures.com/?s=14113&p=1

when will the shilling end

Holy kek this is great

>someone asks
>I respond
>SHILLING SHILLING

samefag
kys underage cancer

go home reddit

I want to see Eridan or maybe Nepeta be the normal troll. Eridan would bounce off of Rose and Jack well, and Nepeta didn't do enough in lame and old webcomic.

...

>cool detached emotionless kid
>takes Dave's coolkid act at face value

Are these threads finally dying?

...

I'm sure both will get more to do in this iteration than in the actual comic, both are already setup with clear jokes from their canon selves, so they should be pretty fun when they start doing things.

Aradia...no...

It seems like a rule that you can't make a story that depends on revealing mysteries without it falling apart by the end, or being kind of meh at best.

The beginning chatlogs were full of crazy interconnections between things, everyone talking out of time order, all these hints about later parts of the plot, etc. But it just went on too long.

ever17

I can't believe Karkat became a gay loser kuck....

It was pretty fucking obvious that Karkat was a loser. I don't know why you fuckers pretend he wasn't always portrayed as one. Even as far back as act 3.

...

We already know he is a loser.

8ut it's worse how Hussie turned him into a cuck and Dave's cocksleeve, jesus fucking christ.

>8
go away Vriska

▶
"Cuz ROXY IS AWESOME!!!!!!!" It's retarded how she's a non-combat class (no combat specific powers she uses like Dirk or Dave) and is beating up one of the main bads herself. No one else got a "lol so cool!!" moment besides her.

It's PURELY symbolic. Dave and Dirk both knew that his death is purely meaningless because he can be revived in a second anyway. It has absolutely no meaning.

*completely meaningless
*beating up on the main bads alone
Aw, frick.

>Caliborn never used time powers on-screen, it was all just time itself conspiring to fit his goals
>Alt Calliope literally broke out of the dream bubbles somehow and destroyed the whole fucking Green Sun

>Lord ended up being the most passive class and Muse the most active

>People still think Roxy is a good character and there isn't author favoritism towards her.

>non-combat class
literally what. do you think passive means non-combat? how do you explain gamzee, then? or terezi?

its stated in the comic that passive means in service of others whereas active means in service of yourself

Rose is a Mary Sue. She's a non-combat class and she can still shoot beams of light? What the fuck?

I specified in my original post. Her powers create shit from thin air. Princes are decidedly built for combat. She doesn't even use a Fraymotif. Rogues aren't necessarily non-combat but Roxy's powers are definitely not built for it.
>Ignoring half the point for a meme.
Somebody with very few combat-related abilities attacking the main bad by herself and then winning is retarded.

Have your expectations...
Been subverted?

>character who can be possesed with a single word by a villain known for being completely immortal is given a ring that makes her completely immortal
>this has absolutely nothing at all to do with how the villain became immortal, even though at one point he is shown to have a visually identical ring in the future.
despite being known for being completely immortal, it is simply ignored and the "good Guys" simply kill him until he dies.
RED HERRINGS.
FLOW THROUGH MY VEINS.

Is Terezi a whore?

Who would you say that, user?

>Lord
>his aspect serves him
>Muse
>her actions inspire her aspect
sounds about right to me.

roxys role in the story is to steal the session, and the future, from the void. she even does it with a backstab! absolutely no part of the classpect system is focussed on 'combat' or 'non-combat' and youve misunderstood it completely if you think that.

No. She's a Mary Sue. She killed Vriska with a backstab. Without a Fraymotif! While being a non-combat class!

go play ingress then you nerdlord

>very few combat-related abilities
I'm pretty sure being able to make yourself intangible at will, whilst not specifically design with combat in mind, is a hilariously broken ability when used in combat. Which is exactly what happened, she got a cheap shot at a critical area.

Was it the most satisfying way to handle Condy's defeat? Fuck no, the whole Condy situation was poorly handled given so few of the characters who actually had direct antagonism towards her get to fight her in the end. However, Roxy being the de facto lead of the Alphas was one of those with direct antagonism towards her and it's at least fitting in that regard she got the last hit in.

Princes specifically destroy their aspect or with their aspect. Classpects aren't focus on combat abilities but some combinations prove more useful than others in a direct fight. Roxy going up to the Condesce and beating her up by herself and then killing her is just stupid.
>Vriska is now equivalent to the Condesce in power.
OK. I love how pro-Roxy posts are just shitty memes.

>people still think it's a good thing that roxy wears shoes

>it's another fetish discussion that should belong to /aco/'s homestuck thread episode

It's not even the fact that she got the last blow. She went all "hahaahah beatdown on her all alone" and then killed her. No one else had anything "awesome" like that and it's a clear example of author favoritism.

Vriska is absurdly overpowered and could probably take on the Condesce solo and win.

But Terezi was able to OHKO her with the element of surprise and, mostly, dramatic tension.

>Vriska is absurdly overpowered and could probably take on the Condesce solo and win.
I really doubt that. Fuck, even Karkat beat Clover and his luck powers.

Yes.

Vriska was almost able to beat Bec Noir and he was stronger than Condy.

dirk destroys souls. this is mostly demonstrated by him taking away the agency and 'self' of his friends. he also tries some soul rip stuff mostly unsuccessfully. he never once demonstrates himself to be better in a straight-up fight than terezi, even though youd totally expect the 'destroyer' class to be better in a fight than the seer. because thats NOT how it works.

roxy is a good fighter. its just one part of how she steals things from nothingness for others. which is what her classpect is about. there is no such thing as a classpect that is better or worse in conbat, all that matters is whether fighting ability is required to fulfill your narrative role.

>Most likely immune to mind control (not that this ever mattered with the Condesce, but still)
>God tier provided luck powers
>Magic dice with a super mode that allowed her to take on Bec Noir and, according to Scratch, likely win
Being overpowered is part of her entire character concept, come on. The general rule is that if her killing that character would be infuriating to every reader, then she can do it.

she would go batman-level-planning on that fight as well. if there was a way to beat the condesce 1 vs 1 vriska would find it and if she didnt then frankly it would be out of character

>Roxy going up to the Condesce and beating her up by herself
That didn't happen, how you've convinced yourself this is what happened is beyond me. All of the kids fighting the Condense did their part, hence the extended fight sequence with all the fraymotiffs and even then she looked more bothered than injured. Roxy just had a greater attachment to the fight than the others and thus is shown contributing above her peers to the viewer, it has a narrative function.

Add on to this that the kids were primarily trying to stall her over anything else, hoping to deal with the other fights first and then receive backup to finally put her down. Given they were on the brink of defeat it's fair to say the unexpected risky tactic was their best bet at winning at that point as their stalling tactic wasn't working well enough, something like a sneak attack when her back is turned and she's preoccupied.

She didn't do it the entire fight but she still had the extended beatdown sequence. It's barely made a point that she hated the Condesce to her abandoned arc.

Even then, John didn't go "ahahah beatdown" on Bec for killing his father which would have been a million times more effective emotionally. It's just there to make her look cool.

Perhaps she could, perhaps she couldn't. There's way too many variables to say for sure, given how overpowered both combatants areas well as both of them having glaring weaknesses in their personalities that could make the difference.

For instance, I could imagine Vriska trying to enter her ultimate form in the fight, only to have the Condesce stop her dice rolls from completing, thus having a huge advantage over her. Equally, Vriska could foresee that and enter that form beforehand and the Condesce could stubbornly stand and fight this temporarily empowered self and be defeated.

>It's barely made a point that she hated the Condesce to her abandoned arc.
roxy hates the condesce more than anyone by far and the comic repeatedly hammers that in from her first lines to her last

Nah.

Convincing argument.

The Condesce was the big bad of her world, she was one of the big bads for the alphas, certainly the one who influenced Dirk and Roxy the most given their upbringing under her brutal dictatorship. Certainly she was way more invested in getting revenge on her than any of the other kids there, including fucking Kanaya. The extended beatdown is the culmination of this in the adscence of the Alphas fighting her together, Jane should definitely had more of a role in that fight.

>Even then, John didn't go "ahahah beatdown" on Bec for killing his father which would have been a million times more effective emotionally
Irrelevant to the topic at hand, but I'll agree that should have been the big task of the Betas, but sadly wasn't included.

>Karkat beat Clover and his luck powers
Can Karkat solo Mindfang?

>fuck an aradia cosplayer few weeks ago
>find out today it was actually a dude
wtf

I know.
All I'm saying is that the Condesce didn't really seem to have much of a connection to Roxy because of her demeanor and abandoned arc. She seems like the only person who got a genuinely "awesome" moment on her own and that kind of irks- especially when compared to everyone else.

first conversation (she introduces the batterwitch):
>TG: she wants you to play
>TG: wants us all to
>TG: part of her BIG PLANS
>TG: and ur playing right into em

last conversation:
>ROXY: im a goddamn rogue
>ROXY: i TAKE shit
>ROXY: and now ima take back from the WITCH
>ROXY: everything she stole that shoulda been ours

and like a million conversations in between

Did you. Not notice the dick?

Probably. Weenie powers ahoy!!!!!!

I don't know what a Homestuck is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.

Seriously though is it even worth getting into at this point?

clothes never came off
i mean now it's kinda obvious but you know hindsight is 20/20 and all that

Yeah
Read until WV: Ascend. If you like it, carry on. If you don't, then you might as well stop since you probably won't enjoy the comic.

yeah the best parts are better than anything else on the internet by a long way

It's a webcomic that takes advantage of the fact it's on the Internet to do all sorts of cool shit. That alone makes it worth checking out. Just don't get too emotionally invested into the story.

gay

The Condesce is tied to Roxy given the importance Roxy's upbringing had on her character and Condy was the primary antagonistic force in that setting. That's not even talking about Meenah's repeated assaults on Roxy which happens a couple of times during Act 6, which is another tie in the whole antagonism thing. Then as shows, Roxy has certainly regarded the Condesce as a big negative part of her life that followed her from her terrible past into what should have been the positive future.

You seem to have an issue with how Collide handled things, and that's fine, many anons will agree with that sentiment. However, you seem to be displacing your frustrations purely on Roxy which is pretty fucking stupid.

it's not gay.
i had sex with i thought was a woman. no penis, not gay.

im trying to understand what kind of sex took place

It's not purely on Roxy. There's a lot of shit said in the threads here that I agree with.

Roxy's feelings towards the Condesce never felt weighted and while completely understandable, they didn't carry much emotional depth or feel very important. This is more of a problem with Roxy though and this big, badass culmination that's supposed to feel awesome (and is only really given to her) just feels kind of empty. Like the thing with Dirk and Dave that I mentioned in my original post.

okay john
how do you feel now that you know

Not the user you're talking to, but:
Maybe if we'd actually seen Roxy struggle in her daily post-apocalypse life, maybe if the consequences of Condy's horrible rule made her visibly emotional, maybe then it'd have weight.
But it didn't. It was purely tell-not-show, in classic Hussie style.

I couldn't get into Homestuck. I stopped reading when I realized the only character I was actually invested in was Rose.

But she became an alcoholic which barely affected her competence and which she overcame with incredible ease!

i read act 6 archivally and roxys specific feud with the condesce came out pretty strong. she was responsible for roxys shitty life and roxy showed her anger over that a lot more strongly than dirk ever did, they interacted a bunch of times, and then it was the condesce that killed rose in game over. their feud was the only strong thing about the condesce as a villain, honestly, since im sure we can all agree she didnt have the same impact jack did. she was a weak choice to be the True Final Boss. that said, she was definitely roxys boss more than anyone elses, and roxy 'deserved' the final blow insofar as something like that can be deserved.

Their antagonism towards the Batterwitch wasn't anywhere near as developed as the original antagonism from the Betas and the trolls for Bec Noir were, that much I agree on wholeheartedly. However, one thing to note is that the Batterwitch was used more as a looming threat for Dirk, Roxy and Jane, but for Roxy in particular. She's the big bad in Roxy's mind, given Caliborn was really Calliope's enemy to Roxy her connection to him came through Calliope instead of direct antagonism like Jane and Dirk had. Much of Roxy's direct anger towards the Condese comes from the Game Over timeline for obvious reasons, Collide was her chance to really have an impact given she only acted passively in the Game Over fight and it wasn't enough to help.

Though I would agree the anger portion definitely should have been handled better, but by that point Hussie seemed to have forgotten how to portray human emotions given John's lack of response to anything Game Over related.

Yea I can agree with that, considering how much time was utterly wasted on getting the Alphas into their session, there was so little development of their home worlds. I don't think Condy did much in the run up to the Alphas entering which was another wasted opportunity, but I still think out of anyone, Roxy had the most clear negative attachment to the Condesce.

That's all fine and dandy and I can agree but that doesn't really refute anything I said there.
You see, it's understandable, not weighted; there's no emotion. Exactly what I said. Again, John vs. Bec would have been a billion times better (even if handled poorly) because it was actually given proper build-up.

roxys flippant manner makes it unrealistic to expect her to regularly show genuine anger while staying in character. she came across as pretty fucking mad to me though