Post ur cunt's air force

Post ur cunt's air force.

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Post Marawi pls.

How much is actually active and not stored?

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These two aircraft are very much the backbone to the Mexican air force

No plans for jets? SOmething like a FA-50 would come in hand.

Nope, we need something credible for air sovereignity, I personally think a LIFT would do tbqh, but since that we'd only buy from the Americans and right now we are not exactly on friendly terms it's going to be a while before we get anything in that respect.

In the meantime we'll have to do with the very few F-5s we still have in flying conditions if something does actually come up.

>but since that we'd only buy from the Americans and right now we are not exactly on friendly terms it's going to be a while before we get anything in that respect.

I don't think that should stop Mexico to buy more shit to their air-force, there are tons of options.

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we WILL poo in your loo

I know this is difficult to understand for you but a part of "cooperation" with the US is their state department needs to approve our imports for high grade military stuff. You do understand that if we wanted to buy grippens or even supertucanos the Americans can block those sales because they use American components? If say we went for Russian or Chinese options they could still technically shut us down with just a phone call, just explain they'd see it as an hostile act that x military asset gets placed right next to their border.

It isn't as simple as that and then you have to consider Mexico does need funds for appropiations, fighter jets are a hard sale for an openly pacifist nation even under the best of circumstances which is certainly not now.

To their credit the air force is now looking to develop something native, pictured being the first step towards that, it's still going to be something like a decade or two before we have anything with trans-sonic capabilities and that's assuming funding remains in place through all of that.

So Mexico basically depends of US to defend the Air-space?

>It isn't as simple as that and then you have to consider Mexico does need funds for appropiations, fighter jets are a hard sale for an openly pacifist nation even under the best of circumstances which is certainly not now.

Didn't stopped us, we virtually have "no enemies" and yet we're bound to receive state-of-the-art fighter jets next year.

So the Americans won against the french for our main helicopter

Not him
But there is certainly no political will to improve our outside defence capabilities by the air force, the only branch of our military looking outwards to project force is the navy.
Army and Air Force are very much focused on their current war goal against crime

>So Mexico basically depends of US to defend the Air-space?
Yes, we can't do real interdiction. In all fairness Central American and Caribean air forces are in much worse shape than us and no one outside the continent is going to fly over our air space as that would threaten the US, nevermind very few even have the technical capabilities to do so.

But on the other hand we're down to the f-5s for something as simple as interdicting private trans sonic aircraft which is an issue.

They can rest in peace now

I see, but then, why not Super Tucanos? I mean i don't think US would block a sale for Mexico, specially because some units are built there now. :DDD

>not modernizing them to 4+ gen

lel you even poverty?

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>why not Super Tucanos?
We have the Texan, they're about the same memes aside, you can't use the Super Tucanos to intercept commercial airliners either and they both can do small planes and COIN about the same so the extras in your planes are something of a meme. The Texans get built in the US but many of the components get ade in Mexico so that's the real reason and it is a sensible one over having to import parts from Brazil.

Nah, some few are still flying. I agree they should be retired but what you gonna do?

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But they can be used to fight cartel and guerrilas, like Colombia did. About the fact of interception, that's why i had mentioned a light jet, like the FA-50, but since the US wouldn't allow it as you said...

We are neck deep in Texans
Besides the missiles the F5s had fit these
> what you gonna do?
Cry
Plz sell Typhoons

So could the Texans, if we're talking COIN like I mentioned their capabilities are near the same. The Texans can use smart ammunition so they can basically work as manned drones.

They're fortunatley being used like that yet, it would be somethjing of a blow for the air force long term. Pictured has been used that way and the armed forces got a lot of heat for that, tho I can see where they're coming from seeing as the cartels have actually shot Blackhawks down.

*fortunately not being used like that

I thought the one they shot down was one of these

Do you know what German Air Force have at least one black (like really he's black) Tornado pilot? I was kinda empressed.

So can Super Tucanos. But i see your point.

>Pictured has been used that way and the armed forces got a lot of heat for that, tho I can see where they're coming from seeing as the cartels have actually shot Blackhawks down.

That's nice, shame that they can't use those here in favelas without the entire world going >muh human rights reeeeee

Honestly having a fourth generation fighter is stupid as fuck for Mexico anyway? You only need those jets for sovereignty defense, and who do you honestly believe is going to fuck with Mexico? In the event Mexico is attacked by a foreign state the US would be there in an instant for support, because we don't want foreign actors in our backyard, same with Canada.

All fourth gen jets would get you is debt, you wouldn't be able to get enough flight hours for your pilots, and they would be a burden for maintenance.

Canada and Mexico are in the odd position that even when we don't get along we'd defend them because having stable non threatening neighbors is best for us.

We (OAS members) actually used to have a defensive treaty with Mexico but they bailed in 2002 saying it was only symbolic (which would mean it's even more moronic to leave something that costs you nothing).

I think Typhoons would be overkill for Brazil tbqh, you already have Gripens
No I didn't know that

You may be right, I saw it reported as a Blackhawk but that may have been a headline thing

>We are neck deep in Texans
It's not a bad policy to go with a single type in terms of logistics, there's a lot of Pilatus to replace

>We (OAS members) actually used to have a defensive treaty with Mexico but they bailed in 2002 saying it was only symbolic (which would mean it's even more moronic to leave something that costs you nothing).

Tbf they kinda have a point, we know that.

Dayly reminder that if you dont design and produce your own fighterjets, you are shit.

Why would they be overkill? I mean, Mexico is no threat and vice versa.

Was this taken by your U.S. airbase? It kind of looks like the area?

How about cargo planes, AWACS and COIN?

Also pls buy, we need monies.

We probably will. Its the KC-390 or new C-130Js.

Why do you think you need that shit? Aircraft carriers, subs, air force.. Like, who the fuck is your enemy?

I'd be surprised if cartels manages to take down a H225M.

I actually don't see anything wrong with them
We make some of their components
PC7s are going to be in every single park just like soviet T34s
I meant for us
Because they look cool af
They serve a few purpose, mainly presidential escorts and for show
24 replacements are required by 2020 or something anyway
And air force is trying to build one themselves over the next decade anyway
Their first basic trainer is being presented this year, its the return of TNCA

Good :) Found this pic comparing their sizes.

Oficially, no one, but we have a fuckload of resources, a fuckhuge land border and another fuckhuge coastline that even if we had the biggest military in the world, we wouldn't be able to cover it all. I think you people forget that Brazil is a continental proportions country, this shit ain't only Rio de Janeiro ffs.

Also in case some neighbor tries shit again.

Is there a potentially hostile air force near Brazil with very modern jet fighters? If not, having one of (or the) best air superiority fighters is unnecessary, since that's where the Typhoon really shines at. Other aircraft perform similar at other roles for much less money.
German Air Force trains in Arizona or New Mexico I think.

My point is if it's meaningless why even make the effort to pull out?

I absolutely agree with you, that's why I mentioned I personally think a LIFT would be sufficient, something that can intercept commercial airliners, say in the case of a terrorist attack, just trans sonic or F-5 style supersonic would be more than enough, we don't need F-16s

But we do have a missing capability gap, it's surrendering sovereignity not to fill it, as say while we may not fear Russia or China you people are not likely going to intervene in a conflict with a Caribean or Central American nation and sadly enough there's precedent for that (Guatemala actually attacked us in the 50's) so we do need the ability to minimally defend our airspace, as I said before, LIFTs would do in my opinion.

*Meant to say yes, the photo must have been taken in the US. I misread your post.

Venezuela has Su-30 that doesn't fly, but that's it. They only have one air-refuel tanker and no AWACS.

Because everyone thinks that will actually work in the beginning.

>This makes the Guatemalan tremble in fear

And there is a major possibility that we get F16s anyway. Or the same as the Brazilians but until 2020

Recently your Typhoons got a capability of using bombs like GBU-48, and also there are some talks about the Tornado replacement with F-35's.. With a tons of money you have you could equip your military with a very nice things Hans

That's cool. My German cousin is certified to fly small commercial craft in Germany (for a while she wanted a Lufthansa job but is still an engineer). She said it's cheaper for her to fly to the SW and train there then train in Germany and the clearer airspace and weather makes training a lot easier there.

Gripen Es is just as capable as Typhoons tho, they just has a bit less range. (And cost a lot less for that matter).

So if Typhoons are overkill, so are Gripens.

Critical shortage of maritime strike due to budget put into fortifying borders, thanks a lot pinoy pirates.

>With a tons of money you have you could equip your military with a very nice things
I know. If I had to decide I'd to it like this:
Build some nukes and ICBMs either on nuclear subs or some silos to have a deterrent, then invest in many counter-terrorism units. That way you don't really have to worry about regular wars since you have nukes and can save money.
Noice, being a pilot must be awesome.
Yeah, I don't really know that much about aircraft. Just heard that the EF is very good in air to air and that the Gripen is much cheaper.

Just don't delay them again pls.

The EF would have outclassed the current Gripen Cs a few years ago, right now Gripens is the only one armed with Meteors, so they still do fine. Once the Typhons get them they are probably on top again, and when the Gripen E is operational they are on par again.

But in reallity, the differences are so minor that it mainly comes down to the pilot.

They have been delayed? Didnt hear about that to be honest. First flight was delayed, but the program in itself should still be on track.

why is there Irish flag on the plane ?

I have never understood that "nuclear triad" meme. The enemy already knows where you hide your ICBMs, and, in a case of war, they would be destroyed very fast by a preemptive strike. Subs do it better. Nobody knows where the hell they are, so it's a great ace in the sleeve then you want to deter someone. Low-yield land-based nuclear missles still a great thing btw.

Thats the indian air force insignia for some reson...

Not the way things are going right now, not if Peje wins. Even so F-16s are a waste of money, especially since that would likely mean used airframes which are more expensive to refurbish, upgrade and mantain flying long term.

IMHO the most sensible option would be to go with whatever the US chooses for their T-X program, that would allow us to form a core of pilots that can move up into any US operated platform in case there was ever a need in the future while mantaining capabilities like the F-5 meant to provide which is about what our country needs.

My personal ideal choice would be pictured, in terms of costs and capabilities it would be perfect for the Mexican air force but the US would never go for that, certainly not Trump. Which is the thing, don't expect anything for the next presidential term. We're looking at 2025 at the earliest for a fighter jet, that's the next president to the one being elected this year and Trump out of office for sure.

It sucks but that's politics for you.

Its all about cost. Nuclear submarines are extremly expensive, and thats why both Russia and the US still have silos (and in Russias case, landmobile TELs).

I read min a blog here that they were delaying the first flight because they wanted to do more tests with the avionics and other systems.

That is correct. But as stated, that hasnt affected the program as a whole, they just decided to do the avionics tests before the flight test. Presumably so that those workning with the avionics can get to work faster.

Yeah, although that news generated a lot butthurt in the blog that i mentioned. Hundres saying >hurr we should've gone american.

Blogs are generally filled with people who has no clue what they talk about.

Yeah, but some people actually know what they're talking and it's the reason i still go in them.

Well those would be enough but to replace these
They were never replaced.
I know that if Vladimir Amlovich wins we are going to be royally fucked but uh well

Have you ever went up in a helicopter?
I have, I hate them, scare the hell out of me.
Planes, no problem, fuck helos

Helos are fun. Helo pilots are even more fun.

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pew pew pew

That guy was fucking around, he was dumb.
If something goes wrong in a helicopter you can't glide like an airplane, you just drop.

But Mexico does operate french helis.

vroom vroom

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Auto-rotation is a thing mate. While hard, its doable.

If something goes wrong in a modern combat aircraft you cant glide either.

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At least you can eject out and not get chopped into a million pieces

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But you can eject in a helicopter. At least Kamov ones can.

This is however true. The Ka-50/52 has ejections seats too if Im not misstaken, blowing up the rotor just before you eject. But thats more of a novelty then standard.

>ctrl + f
>no super tucano

a qt.. a qt!!!

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TREMBLE IN FEAR AND DESPAIR

Daily reminder
Gripen>SU 35
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a cute.

Those are never getting replaced and I meant the Yakolev as replacement for the F-5s. Yes, it's a downgrade, but it is what it is, I'd rather have a capable, operational and modern air force than replace decaying white elephants with even more decaying white elephants.

Mexico needs a capable cost effective interceptor, that doesn't necessarily mean a supersonic fighter, it's a pity SEDENA brass can't see that and push for it. Better to invest in AWACS which aren't just going to make a difference in case you ever need to actually use fighter jets but that would make for much improved capabilities for the day to day stuff.

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Su-35s BTFO

Yeah but not to the same extent
We go a dozen of those and they needed about 40, but instead we got like 40 black hawks instead of the french ones

>Mexico needs a capable cost effective interceptor

Well, Hello there.

Pls buy

It's a strange comparison.

SU-35 is more than twice the weight of Gripen.
SU-35 has a much longer range, and is faster.
SU-35 has a higher TWR and is probably more agile.

Don't know much how the weapons stack up.

Gripen is most definitely cheaper to operate though.

Seems fishy desu, changing aircrafy like this out of thin air.

Why is the Gripen so cheap? (If it even is and not just a marketing ploy)