Hey, any liberal or leftist here? I'm not a troll. Let's have a debate. What made you become like that...

Hey, any liberal or leftist here? I'm not a troll. Let's have a debate. What made you become like that, what are the reasons?

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>liberalism
>leftist

When will this meme end?

I used to be a typical liberal, until I grew up.

Nobody "becomes" a leftist.

I used to be an ignorant liberal, and then I grew up.

Obama voter here.

How can the right deny his economic recovery success?

I was effectively raised in the meeting rooms of a small socialist organisation.

My blood is deepest red!

I've been on Sup Forums since 2013 and I'm a leftist and liberal about most things, ask me whatever you want.

I learned about the world and society, and decided that leftist thinking is of the people and for the people. Right wing ideas are often the views of the powerful who want to dominate and control the masses rather than a more free and liberty centered outlook. Not difficult to see.

>Op makes a thread asking for liberals to debate
>they come
>he leaves

Why will no one on this board engage in honest discussion with leftists and liberals?

Why should anyone? I dont give a fuck what a bunch of cucks think.

Well Op probably should because that's the point of this thread. I would tell you to honestly debate people to learn and grow in your political ideas and views. I understand some of you want nothing to do with that, but it deserves mockery.

What do you think about the nigger crime rate and how they are disproportionately attacking whites?

Are black people disproportionately targeting whites? Last I saw, most black crime is against other black people.

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This is the kind of thing where it would look like it supports your point if you don't know how numbers work.

This happens on Sup Forums all the time, it's goddamn remarkable.

Your image does not support the argument "black people disproportionately attack white people" It says that black men rape white women more than white men rape black women.

No offense, but this is exactly why liberals think people like you are stupid. If you went to college or did well in high school, you wouldn't be making mistakes like this.

I'm a liberal that grew up die hard conservative and veiwed the left with extreme disgust until I turned 18 last year. It wasn't until around that time that I seriously started studying political ideologies that led me to grasp the situation that we are currently in with corporations and monopolies interesting with the free market. Also the assholes that set up the economic collapse in 2008 to profit off of it with no consequences. I also did my research on economics and I enjoyed keynesian economics. I admit it is not perfect but the underlying idea of it is very useful. Thus that is what makes me a liberal, however, I still do retain the belief that the people should be doing everything they can in charity so the government does it for them(which is a libertarian conservative view). Every day I try to evolve my political view and learn something new.

Seriously m8?

>whites get sexually assaulted by blacks more than blacks get sexually assaulted by whites

>doesn't prove anything

Well I guess disproportionately is the wrong word for that picture. I should've said whites get attacked by niggers all the time, while the inverse hardly ever happens.

Also

>It says that black men rape white women more than white men rape black women.

What do you think about this Mr. Liberal?

That doesn't support your statement either. once again it's just saying that black people target white people more than white people target black people. There is also information that more white people are attacked than black people, but there are also far more white people to attack.

You would need information that says black people disproportionately target white people of all the races. Nothing you have posted supports that point. It has been several posts, several attempts and you have still failed at supporting the one argument that you've had.

Probably that white dudes are generally less attracted to black girls than vice versa. This is still a different point. That being said, it is a problem and it is fucked up. No liberal is saying that blacks don't commit more crime. They attribute it to a multitude of socioeconomic factors, which is verifiable.

amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/


> No liberal is saying that blacks don't commit more crime.
lol

>They attribute it to a multitude of socioeconomic factors, which is verifiable.

Then why do poor whites in West Virginia or Wyoming commit crimes at a lower rate than niggers do?

Im a different liberal and it is obvious that blacks disproportional commit more crime. And that attitude that it is because of institutional racism is just an excuse that promotes ignoring self responsibility. However, racism is not the answer. The answer is to critique culture regardless of race and to focus excessively on education.

Could we not practice segregation and let the niggers sort themselves out?

Why must the niggers be our burden? Why do we have to "critique their culture" or "focus on education?"

Is that really worth all the white people murdered or white women raped?

and mate you are forgetting a factor that can never be incorporated in statistics: the difference in culture

For example in those states that you listed the culture of redneck music and what not is far lss violent as rap.

Now that is not to say that blacks are inferior because of their skin, but rather that it is just the roll of the dice when it comes to culture. culture is a very unpredictable thing and has numerous variables and influences.

Those data do not support your point either. It shows that most victims of black crime are black. 62% in fact.

>lol

Yeah, that's why socioeconomic factors are cited for the disparity.

>Then why do poor whites in West Virginia or Wyoming commit crimes at a lower rate than niggers do?

Because it's more than just poverty, hence socioeconomic. It's a multitude of factors that have been well supported. It's like you haven't even bothered to read into the explanations.

>Im a different liberal and it is obvious that blacks disproportional commit more crime.

Not disputing that and never disputed that.

Impossible

Wot... are you a troll?

>Not posting the unedited version

Because I'm Christian and Jesus doesn't sound like Trump at all

When controlled for population black on white crime is even higher than white on white crime (someone post the graph pls)

100% possible. If I was given good reason to submit to Sup Forums's ideology, I would. I have yet to be presented with that information. As displayed in this thread, many of the people here are absolutely shit at the data analysis and research that they base their ideas on.

No, address my point if you can.

Yeah and white kids listen to rap or death metal about burning people alive and shit too. Doesn't make them violent bruh.

>Because it's more than just poverty

Enlighten me then. This is supposed to be a debate.

I don't prescribe to white nationalism or white supremacy. I also genuinely believe that there are good people in the world and it would be to our benefit to attract these kinds of people to our countries.

The only "right wing" ideas I have are that we need a better immigration policy to weed out the people who want to take advantage of our countries and those who want to contribute. I like Switzerland's immigration policy except truncate the part about having X amount of dollars. I think as long as you are a degree holder with previous job experience, clean criminal record you can come here and try for a new life.


White genocide isn't a thing. There are more Caucasians than ever before. The percentage of Caucasians have gone down because the population has gone up. There is no systematic replacement. Its simple mathematics. If you want to have a higher percentage, encourage Caucasians to start producing more kids/family. There are no grand conspiracies.

THis what are you doing OP

Well yeah, because black crime is higher in general.

Here's a good source, it's way too much to type out.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1449156/

Makes more sense for you to read it and tell me what you disagree with.

Kinda makes you guys look like edgy clowns when the original was totally sufficient.

> If you want to have a higher percentage, encourage Caucasians to start producing more kids/family.

But the problem is that western Governments aren't doing that and would rather import 3rd worlders to replace the native population.

Well the philsophy that was also written under the constituiton is that everyone has the right to have a good education. However, that standard changes as time goes on and to have an upper class have a better education system is ridiculous. Education is already falling apart and it starts from the bottom up. In order to stop it all from crumpling, the only way is to value education equally no matter the economic houses around. Teachers are underpaid and leads to every new teacher only to get jobs at shit schools. (aka poor parents schools)

I believe in equal opportunity like the constitution valued.

I like the spoopyness of the eye.

Youre looking at a very small pool of people that have no influence in any form of media. They view themselves as social outcasts, so the farther they stay from society and stay inside their houses the better.

>DEBATE ME FEDORA.JPG

Leftism is the opposite of liberalism. Leftism is more government, more taxes, more programs, less liberty and collectivism. They started calling themselves liberals instead of progressives.

Been here taking everything as satire since '10.

In Germany the government literally paid money to families to make kids.

In Canada, we just introduce longer maternity leaves and more money etc.

I honestly do not know where you are coming up with these claims cause its not true. I went to Ikea the other day (in Richmond which is literally Hong Central) and there are fucking heaps of white families with white kids. Its adorable.

Might as well. Whether it's intentional or not, this board reads like satire.

Way more nuanced than that.

I'm skimming through this and it seems like some common sense things. Having a two parent household with niggers would help, but I wonder why they ever devolved into their current single mother household state they are in now. Is it because segregation ended and whites stopped looking after them(besides welfare of course)?

Also you take a poor nigger from a single mother and a poor white kid from a single mother and the nigger is still more likely to commit crimes.

This. I grew up hardcore right, and then realized a few things. For one, you can't be a decent human being if you just hate niggers and fags. Also, yeah, why would I not support legislature that helps people rather than giant companies. Plus I realized that God is dead, so my grandma telling me that liberals went to hell ceased to matter

I don't know about Canada or Germany but does it really help to give longer maternity leaves when countries import millions of immigrants who have 5+ kids on the taxpayer's dime?

When you say White Genocide isn't real, I don't think you're looking at the larger picture here.

Yeah they do specify that they don't account for 100% of the disparity. Most of it is though.

Agree 100%.

The constitution also said niggers are 3/5ths of a person.

You still didn't answer my question.

Is putting up with the tens of thousands of white women raped, or black on white violence that is out of control worth it?

Is all of that worth it just to try(and fail) to raise niggers up to the white man's level?

tbf he said liberal OR leftist.

You haven't been able to prove that there is an actual conspiracy against whites. What I can see is that there is plenty of incentive for white people to make babies by practically every Western government. Longer maternity leaves. Less working hours. More child benefit.

The reason why white families aren't popping out 5 kids is because of economic reasons. Even migrant families have fewer children than people from their original countries.

You know what I think? I think I am looking at the facts and you are exaggerating and making big claims with very little evidence.

Welcome to Sup Forums

Not really.

>Our study reveals that over 60% of this gap is explained by immigration status, marriage, length of residence, verbal/reading ability, impulsivity, and neighborhood context.

>neighborhood context
See this is the thing. I grew up in a poor whitetrash area and you never really had to worry about crime. There were a few nigger kids but they behaved well since they were surrounded by whites. You get niggers all bunched up together and they'll chimp out.

>impulsivity

You know what race is more likely to be impulsive?

>verbal/reading ability
I guess they're just ignoring racial IQ differences now.

The gap between Whites and Blacks in levels of violence has animated a prolonged and controversial debate in public health and the social sciences. Our study reveals that over 60% of this gap is explained by immigration status, marriage, length of residence, verbal/reading ability, impulsivity, and neighborhood context. If we focus on odds ratios rather than raw coefficients, 70% of the gap is explained.

We acknowledge the harsh and often justified criticism that tests of intelligence have endured, but we would emphasize 2 facts from our findings. First, measured verbal/reading ability, along with impulsivity/hyperactivity, predicted violence, in keeping with a long line of prior research.25–28 Second, however, neither factor accounted for much in the way of racial or ethnic disparities in violence. Whatever the ultimate validity of the constitutional difference argument, the main conclusion is that its efficacy as an explainer of race and violence is weak.

Our findings are consistent with the hypothesis that Blacks are segregated by neighborhood and thus differentially exposed to key risk and protective factors, an essential ingredient to understanding the Black–White disparity in violence.17 The race-related neighborhood features predicting violence are percentage professional/managerial workers, moral/legal cynicism, and the concentration of immigration. We found no systematic evidence that neighborhood- or individual-level predictors of violence interacted with race/ ethnicity. The relationships we observed thus appeared to be generally robust across racial/ ethnic groups. We also found no significant racial or ethnic disparities in trajectories of change in violence.

>the constitution created the 3/5ths compromise

How do I know more about this than an American?

Are you stupid?

What facts are you looking at? Share them.

>rense.com/general81/dtli.htm
>immigrants running a deficit
>more likely to get handouts
>use the ER whenever they have a scraped knee or bloody nose, doesn't cost them a cent

If white people had all of these things I bet they could squeeze out 5 little kids like Jaun and Jaunita do too.

I've been on pol for about a year now. I don't really understand how people actually believe there is white genocide. They post a few quotes from jewish people and claim that this is an epic replacement of Caucasians. It's ridiculous. I don't know about the US but Canada and many W. European countries are extremely generous in child benefits. They heavily encourage families to have kids and subsidize them for doing so. But there are reasons why Europeans and Westerns aren't shitting out kids like Africans and these are far beyond "muh conspiracy". They are primarily economic and cultural. The facts are that Caucasian populations have never been higher. There are more whites born than any time before in history. But what is also true is that people from different races are having more people too and that people are living a lot longer.

i got an education in politics at a reputable university.

>Our findings are consistent with the hypothesis that Blacks are segregated by neighborhood and thus differentially exposed to key risk and protective factors

This is like circular reasoning.

>niggers are segregated to their own neighborhoods increasing their violent tendencies
>this has nothing to do with race even though poor white kids with bad schools still don't commit as much crime

If blacks raping whites more than whites raping blacks proves that black people are racist

then men raping women more than women raping men proves the patriarchy is real

P.S. white women are more attractive than black women.

White american births are now out numbered by non-whites. You can disagree with a conspiracy and calling it genocide but white countries are getting less white.

>Similar to the arguments made by William Julius Wilson in The Truly Disadvantaged,20 these results imply that generic interventions to improve neighborhood conditions may reduce the racial gap in violence. Policies such as housing vouchers to aid the poor in securing residence in middle-class neighborhoods43 may achieve the most effective results in bringing down the long-standing racial disparities in violence.

Lmao yeah because that worked so well in the past.

Niggers will nig, whites will fly and you'll be back to square one again.

I wouldn't be so cocky user, you were completely wrong and unable to support your argument for most of this thread. You've only just moved the goalposts to where you felt comfortable and started making alright points.

This is literal bullshit. Western government have no influence on people choosing to have children.

There is no white genocide. There IS, however, white people traditionally having more education as well as higher paying, more demanding jobs, both of which ultimately mean they have less offspring. The concept is very similar to stages in population growth.

>America
>White county

Jesus.

>moving the goalposts

How the fuck did I do that? Your own source said neighborhood placement accounts for 60% of the disparities in black and white crime rates.

I admit I should've said niggers commit violent crimes at a disproportionate rate compared to whites. I have not moved the goalposts though.

>I wouldn't be so cocky user
This is literally the reason why suburbs and now recently exurbs exist.

>>America
>White county
>Jesus.

It was 90% white in 1965

>This is literal bullshit. Western government have no influence on people choosing to have children.
>not having as much money compared to 30 years ago
>people could still choose to have 5 kids

Yeah niggers could since they don't give a fuck about going on welfare and making everyone else pay for their future murderers and rapists.

>There is no white genocide
>both of which ultimately mean they have less offspring
>America was 90% white
>now it's 60% and falling
>white genocide isn't a thing

>I admit I should've said niggers commit violent crimes at a disproportionate rate compared to whites. I have not moved the goalposts though.

You being proven wrong, then moving on to an easier point to argue is moving the goalposts.

You sure suburbs don't exist because people want a house and a yard when they make money and want to start a family? It's all about black people in your mind right?

You take a grain of truth and then go all out with it to the point where you're no longer saying anything relevant.

Everything in society is a multitude of causes, society is the interaction of millions and billions of the most complex objects in the known universe, it is the most complicated thing that there is. When you reduce things to the level that you have, you are displaying ignorance and stupidity.

>You being proven wrong, then moving on to an easier point to argue is moving the goalposts.
This was what I meant to say

>Well I guess disproportionately is the wrong word for that picture. I should've said whites get attacked by niggers all the time, while the inverse hardly ever happens.

13% of the violence against whites was because of blacks, while 10% of the violence against blacks were from whites. So more niggers attack whites than whites attack niggers. 500,00 black on white violent crimes and, 95,000 white on black crimes. Disproportionate, no?

>You sure suburbs don't exist because people want a house and a yard when they make money and want to start a family? It's all about black people in your mind right?

Have you ever talked to a realtor?

>you are displaying ignorance and stupidity.

When even your data can only account for 60% of the disparities in crime rates, what's the other 40%? "Oh gee willlikers i dunno they're just like us though!"

Keep crying about "white genocide". Bring that around an academic circle and go red in the face as everyone with half a brain laughs at you. There is no conspiracy. Go tell white people to fuck more.

Also as I said before they say neighborhood placement is the biggest cause of violent crime, but somehow rule out the disparity in IQ and other things.

But that neighborhood placement is bullshit. What that really means is the concentration of niggers in the area. Like their own data shows you take a white and a nigger, each both equally in shitty positions and the nigger is gonna nig.

rense.com/general81/dtli.htm

White people don't have as much money as they used to 30+ years ago. Combine that with the immigrants getting free shit and no wonder they can have more kids than whites can.

All you're doing is being rude without laying down the facts. Quite frankly that's very nonacademic of you.

user, I never once said that all of the disparity is due to socioeconomic factors. Go back and read my posts to realize that.

It's really funny actually, my views on race are my least liberal and leftist ideas. In fact, I don't know why you went straight to that when liberalism and leftism is much more about degrees of liberty and public vs. privatization.

I live next to an old run down mill city with violent minorities, I've never said that socioeconomic factors made up the whole disparity, you made that up for me.

>They attribute it to a multitude of socioeconomic factors

You could've just said a multitude of socioeconomic factors and race m8.

> In fact, I don't know why you went straight to that when liberalism and leftism is much more about degrees of liberty and public vs. privatization

I don't know. Probably something I saw earlier in the thread about race so I asked a liberal about it.

Because I'm on the right side of history!!!!