Yes yes... well done Tolkien... well done Tolkien

yes yes... well done Tolkien... well done Tolkien...

HOWEVER

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GRRM is a fat hack.

>Dude good guys fight bad guys and then good guys win lmao xDDdd. friendship ftw :^)

>Complex and charismaticly written human characters each with their flaws and virtues communicate and fight with each other with magic sprinkled all around

Gee I don't know what's better.

>with magic sprinkled all around

He blew it. High fantasy or no fantasy, otherwise it just ruins the cohesion of the world and allows lazy writing.

>High fantasy or no fantasy
Whatever you say friendo.

HAHA I CaN make anything look StuPid if I type lyke THIS!! XDDD

That looks so stupid

>Hold the door!
>Hold the door!
>Holdhedoor!
>Holddoor!
>Hodor!

How will britbonglandia ever recover?

GoT is the Rick and Morty of the fantasy genre

Especially if you talk about black-and-white type of narrative.

So who had the better tax policy? Dany or King Robert?

Dany because she is pure good and was chosen by birth and oh wait

Saruman. Look at what he did for the Shire.

Saruman Lannister?

This. GRRM is so far ahead of Tolkien its not even funny. His characters are so much more iconic and memorable than the bland ones in lord of the rings. Think of Jon Snow, Daenerys, Jaime Lannister - household names, they all have real in depth character development and the audience feels attached to them. This is no contest against fucking Aragorn and Frodo, and the entire plot of Lord of the Rings is so convoluted and confused that it's not even worth talking about. Whereas GRRM's plot, full of twists and turns, is compelling and engaging. He portrays war so much more realistically, and his story is gritty, human, real, and authentic. He actually draws from real history, and unlike Tolkien doesn't rely on meme languages and """lore""" to make his work great. His work is already great because it stands on its own merits, and his is the story of our generation. It is for this reason that Game of Thrones is the current pinnacle of television, and why ASOIAF is so iconic and beloved, and why its legacy will far outlast Tolkien's.
He isn't the American Tolkien because he is far beyond that level.

I haven't read his books but the show blew me away. But he's probably some kind of fucking progressive isn't he?

This pasta é uma delícia

taking bets

>daenerys and jon will will form an alliance through political marrige
>one or both of them will quip about the other is good looking so its "not that bad XD"
>rhaegal the green dragon will be fond of jon for some reason
>could it perhaps be because rhaegar is jons father
>rhaegal can sense the dragon blood in jon
>jon becomes rhaegals dragon rider (episode 9)

also trips for truth

Reminder that Robert was actually the best monarch in the entire story:

>Crushes the demonic Targaryen dynasty, wins the throne
>Restores peace and order to Westeros
>Negotiates peacefully to bring Dorne back into the realm
>Presides over a period of great prosperity and happiness
>Makes strong personal bonds with the great lords, ensuring loyalty without resorting to force
>When vassals do step out of line, he crushes them in war and shows great clemency after (Greyjoy rebellion)
>Entertains the lords and smallfolk, generously hosting and funding tourneys and feasts
>This expenditure greatly helps the food and wine industry
>Provides for all his bastard children
>Shows true self-sustainability, hunting to provide himself with only the best meat
>Demonstrates true masulinity by bedding many women - sets a true example for the young men of his land
>Loved by all
>Remembered fondly by all

>The show blew me away

Why are such plebs allowed to post on this board?

Was this intentionally planned from Episode 1?

Shut the fuck up you redditor cunt.

grrm said something that comfirmed this as true

the three eyes raven/brann story basically deals with visions from the past and the future

you forgot
>died from falling off his horse because he was a fat shit

Hold the Door isn't even in the books yet, I think HBO hacks made it up.

That's not how he died you fucking amoeba

i know

but youre wrong, grrm said something about it but i dont know where

Are you retarded?

GRRM confirmed it is from the books. And before you claim that was a post hoc justification people dug up a post someone made years before the episode of meeting GRRM and asking if "hodor" meant "hold door" and GRRM telling him he was on to something.

>I share Sup Forums with people THIS stupid

Heres a (you) lad

>High Fantasy or no fantasy
A song of Ice and Fire is high fantasy. Low Fantasy does not describe a fantasy settings that have fantasy elements placed subtlety in favor of a more realistic period atmosphere. That's still high fantasy, it's just not as over the top as something like DND where you'll find a novice mage and an elf huntress at any local inn.

Just because you can take sorcerer and make it an ultra rare demigod-like being who's magic consists spreading disease or invoking natural phenomenon like lightning instead of DBZ energy blasts doesn't mean it isn't high fantasy.

In contrast, actual low fantasy is more like when you have a teenager living in British suburbs coming across an old spell book and causes chaos in an attempt to learn magic from it. Low Fantasy is basically fantastic elements in an environment where they wouldn't normally occur. Once you enter a "different world" sort of setting it becomes high fantasy.

>HAHA xD Le SAURON EVUL BAD GUY!!! LE MOUNTAIN OF DOOOOM!!! XD

Great story Tolkien!

I hope GRRM pokes more holes in Tolkein's shitty worldbuilding so Sup Forums neckbeards sperg some more

Hopefully people will finally stop talking about that overrated faggot tolkien at some poine in the near future

>People STILL read Tolkien's dogshit books

KEK.

da berks er da berks and da shu is da shu

>gurm will never get off his fat ass and finish his books

>one guy spamming the thread with his contrarianism and obvious bait waiting for (You)s
i see your game kiddo

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>no belt
do Americans really do this?

The funny thing is that Tolkien popularized many fantasy tropes or even created some. Without him there wouldnt even be a fantasy genre.

GRRM wouldnt be writing fantasy if it wasnt for Tolkien.

>Jaime Lannister
I dont know why this shit cracked me up so much

>"I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall, but it proved both sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men, it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice and prosperity, would become discontented and restless — while the dynasts descended from Aragorn would become just kings and governors — like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going around doing damage. I could have written a 'thriller' about the plot and its discovery and overthrow — but it would have been just that. Not worth doing."

Fat Man BTFO

Americans don't need belts to hold up their trousers when they have that massive fucking belly.

Fuck off you limey faggot

go ahead and list fantasy tropes he invented that didn't exist before tolkien invented them

guarantee you can't even name one. i don't know why people say shit like this, you're giving him way too much credit, basically he just mashed up a bunch of folklore.

take away Shakespeare and Tolkien from the hack GRRM and whats left?

taxes, hodor and shitting in the grass, thats what.

orcs depicted in modern fantasy is basically made by tolkien

you dont like this fact because you are a contrarian whiney little faggot but its true

This sounds like it would have been amazing

lol who the fuck uses orcs in their fantasy stories other than complete hacks?

goblins existed before tolkien anyway

LOTR is about good values and being the better person you tremendous fucking pleb. The fact that the good guys geniunely have good qualities and the villains bad ones is one of the things that makes LOTR great.

>take away Shakespeare and Tolkien from the hack GRRM and whats left?

Take away homo erectus and neanderthals and what do homo sapiens have left?

Take away blues and country and what does rock music have left?

Shakespeare obviously laid the groundwork for epic story telling, Tolkien popularized many of the themes still used in fantasy. But they were earlier evolutionary forms of the genre. GRRM is a more modern evolution of fantasy.

It's not like his ripping off Shakespeare or Tokien and honestly, you'd be hard pressed to find fantasy that reads LESS like Tolkien than GRRM.

Tolkien has a mastery of the English language that very few artists have. do you think Georgey could write an entire page describing a tree? his imagination is dull and based in reality .. not really a good quality for fantasy.

>hacks

there are orcs or orc-derived creatures in 99% of fantasy

>goblins

those arent orcs so thanks for proving my point right

can't wait for him to describe sopa de macaco

>It's not like his ripping off Shakespeare
thanks for confirming you havent read Macbeth, Richard III or Henry V.

>ancient archetypes told in a mythological form that is designed to be applicable to be allegorical but not a direct allegory

>the more she drank the more she shat

>"I could've written Game of Thrones if I wanted to; I just didn't see the point"
-Tolkien

you don't know much about fantasy if you claim orc derived creatures exist in 99% of them, lol

goblins and orcs are interchangeable in lotr and the hobbit. before tolkien they were described in a whole bunch of different ways and tolkien's version is just another version stacked on top. tolkien never made any distinction between orcs and goblins either, so don't even try to say orcs are not goblins by using your bullshit made up head canon

Game of thrones is such shite. SHITE. Its the marvel comics universe of medieval fantasy.

TAX

POLICY

>reading
lmao fuck off back to LIT cracker

umm... ive seen the visual representations of all three. checkmate

>goblins and orcs are interchangeable in lotr and the hobbit

comfirmed for bait

not getting anymore (you)s from me faggot

confirmed retard that thinks orcs and goblins are different races

Wow Fredo lets le GO TO MONT DOOOOOMM!!!! XD
much goo story good doge le TOLKIEN YES xD!

You are a pathetic autistic little worm who deserves to die. Fuck you and your entire family, I fucking hate you. Shut the fuck up. Goblins and Orcs and OBVIOUSLY FUCKING DIFFERENT you fucking twat.

go ahead and show me a source where tolkien clearly defines the difference between the two

here ill help it doesnt exist

Go back to Sup Forums you faggot stormweenie. Take your alt-right "philosophy" back to where you came from you fucing DRUMPFtard, stop shitting up this board.

>Jon Snow
>Daenerys
>character development
Is this a fucking joke ? These 2 are the most stagnant characters in the series. Even Sauron had more character development.

OP is a faggot

i like how this guy pretends he's me while calling others autistic

Absolutely. GRRM is the better writer and novelist by far, though I have to say Tolkien is better at languages

kys redditor

samefag

>GRRM is the better writer
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post things tolkientards say

>tolkien invented languages!

>I-it's meant to be mythological, thats why game of thrones SEEMS like it has better characters

fucking tolkienfags

kek, this

>GRRM is a bad writer! LE MORE SHE SHAT LE MORE SHE SHAT!!

How am I reddit you fucking Sup Forumstard?

Only autistic contrarians actually pretend Tolkien was a better writer.

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at least grrm didn't need a 500 page appendix to explain historical details that are relevant to the plot and history of the world. that's just bad writing

THIS! George at least has all the info in the books he wrote, tolkien thinks he's deep because WOW le appendices xD!! no. If he was a good writer he would have wrote everything about his world there not like the autistic redditor faggot he was.

>this whole thread

Tolkientard BTFO

Guys, have we ever considered that maybe they're just both hacks who live in fantasy worlds writing about dungeons and dragons?

tolkientards are so fun to troll because they are so much more autistic than grrmtards. ask tolkientards a simple question like "what did the one ring actually do" and you'll get 400 different answers because they have their own dumb shit head canon that contradict each other. if you then mention how vague and messy this is they have an autistic meltdown

exactly lol, whereas you ask something of a GRRMbro and pretty much everyone already knows the answer because game of thrones is actually relevant

GRRM's literature may have dragons but at least its gritty and real unlike that elf fag tolkien

>but what about aragorn's TAX POLICY?

yes yes... well done Tolkien... well done Martin...

HOWEVER

asoiaf is just an excuse for his cuck fantasises

>being this pleb
>Year of Our Lord: 2017

GoT isn't even as good as Dragonlance let alone LOTR you fucking shit.

>Shakespeare obviously laid the groundwork for epic story telling,

What the fuck am I reading?

>What the fuck am I reading?

something written by a 14 year old retard that doesn't know what the odyssey is

You're in a Sup Forums thread about fucking George RR Martin of all people. You should expect the lowest plebeian scum Sup Forums can muster.

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To be fair, book Jon has developed in that he now has severe anger issues, something that was not the case in earlier books.

Why can't reddit just die already?
>You Have to Go Back

>My chosen boy and girl fighting the evil undead magical hordes riding a dragon with a magic sword is better cause I say rape and diarrhea

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