Please explain to me how "Anarcho"-Capitalism isn't just a return to feudalism

Please explain to me how "Anarcho"-Capitalism isn't just a return to feudalism.

Protip: you can't

There is nothing wrong with feudalism.

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>Implying Anarcho-Capitalism is a thing
What even is that?

then what's wrong with statism? at least I can elect the people with "property rights" over me, and those people even pay for other stuff for me to use

Rhetoric that disagrees with me is hate speech, rhetoric I agree with is dropping a truth bomb

>implying that's not a good thing
>implying this "democracy" is not just a veil over our eyes
>implying we don't live in a feudal society with bluebloods and the majority of the people working their backs in shit jobs

A "return" to feudalism would just be truth. Do you really think politicians consider you an equal? One or two of them perhaps.

belief in a state instead of belief in god.

I don't respond to leafs. Someone else repeat the question and I'll answer.

I came in this thread just to say that.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't a major component of Feudalism the power of the church and the authority that it bestowed upon kings?

What is feudalism other than the possesion of private property and the formation of contracts with those that work for you to be able to live on YOUR property

>this is a bad thing

I literally cannot think of anything better than a ultra-nationalis,t Hoppe covenant, neo-feudal Aryan-Topia. Truly free, truly contractual and pledging myself to the god-emperor of the cosmic white-god race.

Hierarchy is not incompatible with freedom.

Sup Forums-tards think they will be the feudal lord and not the serf.

“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
t. Ronny Wright

yes it's almost as if people understood there was a natural social order to things based on their actual function, their service to society

instead of believing in a monopoly on violence in the hands of functional retards, 50% of whom let gays marry, abort babies and deficit-spend their own establishment into poverty

its not contractual or actual freedom

>being a serf is bad

Better than having to live alongside niggers

What's wrong with feudalism again?

so true that even fucking socialists believe that hierarchy gives men more freedom (and peace of mind) than "freedom" does, pic related

Private Property Rights would be the equivalent

It's not "don't question my power or you'll go to hell"

It's "don't question my power or you'll be violating the NAP!"

>belief in god conflicts with statism

>"""freedom"""
the freedom to get shot?

Yes, if you happen to be born in 0.1% of kings and nobles. Then again, if you belong to the same 0.1% nowadays it shouldn't be too bad either.

Why is that bad?

Feudalism operates based on an established hierarchy.

Ancapism lets hierarchy form naturally based on freedom. If you don't like the guy in charge, you have the freedom to try and become better than him.

>instead of believing in a monopoly on violence in the hands of functional retards
Monopoly on violence was in the hands of feudals in the feudalism. Any type of society basically comes to this: who has upper hand in violence, everything other is build on this foundation. PAY TAXES OR WILL KILL YOU.

> Please explain to me how "Anarcho"-Capitalism isn't just a return to feudalism.
I would not call it socialism, but the end of classical liberalism and return to clan-elite totalitarism for sure.

>PAY TAXES OR WILL KILL YOU.
amazing how ameriboos want to go to that instead of the simpler modern
>Pay taxes or we might uh audit you or somethign and then maybe you'll go to jail for a few months idk

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>lefties cannot refute this

yes.

Essentially we live in Anarcho"-Capitalism already. Only minimal subjects are not individuals but states and corporations.

>straight to "get shot"
How did you get to that conclusion

>laws would cease to exist in ancapland
Not even an ancap but you people wildly lack imagination

u wot m8

He didn't fly so good.

>serf
it's truly amazing how people just compare the past and the present and make wild conclusions like this

It's not bad at all.

>le socialism meme
Meanwhile Norway is among the more economically free countries in the world

Also
>socialism never took root in america
Lol

>Implying that feudalism isn't a good thing
I fixed your image for you.

If physical power be the fountain of law, then law and force are synonymous terms. Or, perhaps, rather, law would be the result of a combination of will and force; of will, united with a physical power sufficient to compel obedience to it, but not necessarily having any moral character whatever.

Lysander Spooner

I guess the question then becomes if the desire for wealth and the desire for eternal salvation cause people to act in similar ways.

Ancoms are the real anarchists. All anarchy is impossible but just by doctrine, ancoms are the pure anarchists. Democracy and republicanism sucks, anarchy is impossible, that leaves authoritarianism as the true redpill. Anarchy is the most potent blue pill. It's like the blue pill but more radical. Pic related ( my political position)

being a peasant could be comfy
but being a serf would be pretty shit

Except that blanace of power is very frail and dynamic. Take that with a good load of friction and you have yourself a society in a constant power struggle with purge like events being common

>lord rapes your wife
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That's capitalism, businesses only have as much power as the customer gives them and are under constant threat from competitition.

Blindly disobeying the law is just as bad as blindly following it.
Besides capitalism is contradictory. It believes everyone is an individual. It believes everyone is equally inequal. If people are inequal then there must be classes of men, ones who lead and those who follow. Even many capitalists say that not everyone can be a entrepreneur. Hierarchy always has rules even if it isn't a defined government.

a least the state exist.

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That's a good thing. Strength, Cultural Richness and Moral Stability can only be achieved through a constant atmosphere of struggle and conflict.

You all have no clue. We spoiled couch potatos, even those that deem to have a hard life, would not survive a month of peasant life.

Once people thrive in closed communities feudalism/ancap will be great again.

True, we rank at the top at both the ease of doing business index and the economic freedom index. We are a small economy and dependent on free trade with the world economy to meet our basic needs.

However that doesn't mean that we don't have strong labour unions. Over 50% of Norwegians are in a labour union, which insure influence over the means of production, work conditions and wages. Even with this, Norway are at the top of those indexes, pretty strange huh? So are all the other countries with over 50% labour union participation.

Spoken like a true cuck.

Businesses follow customers and customers follow businesses, leadership is perception.

No one is holding power over you because they have a property,you retarded leaf

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That's the point you fucking idiot, to get rid of weaklings.

I have no problem with being a "serf"
"Socialism never took root in America because niggers"

>you'll go to jail for a few months

Lmao more like "pay taxes or we'll come raid your house, shoot your dog and throw you in federal prison for 10 years"

this

That's not fuedalism, that's a corporatist militant totalitarian state

True! Feudalism worked out great for the mass number of Irish and Scottish people, right?

>lord provides you with shelter and protection
>work fewer hours a year than the average modern American
>incentivized to have a big family to help maintain the land for generations to come
>tfw you will never be a serf

Corporatism is where workers vote based occupation. Representatives are voted by people by thier own occupation.

Neo-feudalism is gonna be great!

>just a return to feudalism
>implying this is a bad thing

Capitalism is inherently unauthoritarian, evolution facilitated by competition is the engine. It provides for the natural selection mechanism without feeding people into meatgrinders of war and revolution.

i just love these dank memes

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Feudalism seems like slavery, but it really isn't. The feudal system is purely voluntary, so your average serf is free to leave his job working for a lord at his own will. A Negro slave is not able to leave, as he is owned by his master.

Feudalism isn't bad at all, it is imo just a more pure form of capitalism that dominated Europe in the Middle Ages. Feudalism is voluntary, capitalism is voluntary.

It's not your employer's fault that you're poor as shit and can't escape your financial situation.

DPRK is feudalism. It`s not very effective management system. So it`s fucking poor. That`s why it`s considered wrong.

Present day example of feudalism (neo-feudalism) - Russia.

>DPRK is feudalism

Anarcho Capitalism isnt actually a thing because it can not exist due to simple logic - it can not win against a large mass of people chosing statism and enforcing their will on the would be Anarcho Capitalists.

> landlord rapes your wife
Lean pronouns, you cis scum.

A serf can't leave. He's bound to the land. But a free peasant could.

It is a more efficient system than majority will, and nature favors efficiency.

Serfs are actually considered part of the "land", when land was bought and sold under feudalism the serfs were bought and sold with it.

Wow AnCap utopia sounds fucking amazing

It is.

Chairman-king
Party members- nobles
Workers- peasants

Retard alert. This might be news to you but we had something called the industrial revolution

Capitalism isn't a Utopia, it's a mechanism for creating it.

Serfs didn't have freedom of movement, they had to stay on their feudal domain and serve one lord. The serf had their own land that they tilled, but were required to work for the feudal lord several times a year, maintain his castle etc. The feudal lord owned the forests, hunting and fishing rights. Often he had a mill-monopoly as well, so the serfs had to use his mill and pay him a substantial fee. Many of these institutions were only removed by the code of Napoleon.

Of course this was mostly in Charlemagne Europe and Norman Britain. Nordic countries never had feudalism or serfdom.

There is a whole fucking lot more to feudalism than social hierarchy.

Feudalism is much more complicated than that, and it's based around land grants and mutual obligations. If the country was physically divided into fiefs ruled by party members who in turn served higher ranking party members or the chairman, it might be something like feudalism.

Oh, you think there must be knights and sheeit?
You are fucking delirious. Early feudal battles of course had need for knights, but even then every knight in battle was accompanied by ass-naked peasants with spears, pitchforks and their hunting equipment.

DPRK is feudalism, where knight have a machinegun to force peasants into fight. Tactic widely used by anglo in anglo-boer war and later by their kike subordinates in "Russian" revolution and in WW2.

It doesnt stand up to basic logic.

The largest number of people are sub 130 iq and couldnt make it in AnCap paradise and they know it so they band together to enforce their will. Socialism is you want to call it a name, it's the logical end point of a post industrial society with global instant communication.

>every hierarchy is feudalism

When did I mention knights? What are you talking about?

DPRK isn't feudalism because it lacks almost every single defining element of feudalism, that's why.

>The largest number of people are sub 130 iq and couldnt make it in AnCap paradise
What is "it"? The modern poor have more luxuries than feudal lords.

>Serfs didn't have freedom of movement, they had to stay on their feudal domain and serve one lord.
That shit changed realitvly quickly arround the 15th century when the cities started to grow and as the dark ages ended
>The serf had their own land that they tilled, but were required to work for the feudal lord several times a year, maintain his castle etc
Just like you pay taxes today
>The feudal lord owned the forests, hunting and fishing rights. Often he had a mill-monopoly as well, so the serfs had to use his mill and pay him a substantial fee. Many of these institutions were only removed by the code of Napoleon.
Notice how these monopolies dissapeard with industralization

Thanks menneske. I get Free Peasant and Serf mixed up.

> it's based around land grants and mutual obligations
It`s based around the need for knights. DPRK has need for polit-instructors, commissars - who will shoot peasant in head, if peasants are not enthusiastic enough. This comissars have special food coupons instead of feuds, because if they where managing their own patches of land, this would be not effective in management sense.

No it does not. All elements of feudalism are just modernized in it and all elements are present.

Business struggles don't end in rape and pillage though.

Why don't you actually describe how it is feudalistic?

Feudalism is said to have ended in the 15th century, so I don't know why you are talking about the era after that?

>The modern poor have more luxuries than feudal lords.

And they want to keep them.

"It" means not getting exploited ala "hey, i have 10 jobs to give and there's 100 of you who want them, those who offer the least can start working!"

I'm convinced that AnCaps were libertarians at one point

>anarcho-capitalists think capitalism can exist without the state protecting an individual's property private rights

if you're anarcho-capitalist, how are you going to protect private property rights of the individual under anarcho-capitalism? you don't think the government is the only thing that violates individual rights, do you? without security of your private property, someone is going to steal your shit and that's what will happen under an anarcho-capitalist system

>half your kids die before 6 years old
>lord goes to war and levies all the men
>your brother dies in the war
>enemy armies attack your village and rape your wife
>you just wanna watch tv but there's no one making them