>“It’s very important to me that we speak to kids about consent, that we speak to kids about identity, that we speak to kids about… There’s so much I have to say about this… I want to feel like I exist and I want everyone else who wants to feels that way to feel that way too.”
Why aren't there any gay males in this show then?
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>Why aren't there any gay males in this show then?
Isn't that Steven?
Faggots need to make their own show, this is dyke territory.
the last sentence is a really complicated way to say "look at me you must want to be me"
Peedee seems pretty gay.
No wonder that last episode sucked.
>I want to feel like I exist and I want everyone else who wants to feels that way to feel that way too
"My indentity is only valid if there's a children's cartoon about it"
God, imagine being this shallow of a loser.
it's fucking shitty to try to get your point across with a show about magical aliens, fuck her
Steven acts like a gay boy, but he's actually the straightest person in this show. He and his mother are strongly heterosexual.
You're really trying your best to misconstrue that statment.
>buck and sour cream break into fryman's shop to vandalise
>peedee is in there
>gets scared and hides in a spot
> buck and cream started getting intimidate
>fondling
>touching
>peedee gets a stiffy and tries to get out
>buck sees him and pushes him onto the ground
>pants fall off.jpeg
If you need others to regard you in order to justify your existence, then you probably don't deserve to.
Yeah and I bet you all have your own personal sob stories about how you've overcome your own neglected natures to become the great Sup Forums posters you are now.
>Yeah and I bet you all have your own personal sob stories about how you've overcome your own neglected natures to become the great Sup Forums posters you are now.
>Went to Sup Forums
>lurked
>posted
I am a modern-day cinderella
user I don't know your upbringing, but having friends and family who stick up for you and what you stand for feels fuckin great
That's all there's is to read about it though.
It's grim reality, other people literally do not give a shit about you or your problems, they only care about negating their own. If you depend on others' regard for you as being a necessity to self-actualization, then you're a cow that's sold yourself to a butcher and is hoping for mercy. You are because you are, not because anyone is held to some imperative to validate that you are.
I feel really sad for you.
>he is his mother
he's basically transgender and age-regression
>It's grim reality, other people literally do not give a shit about you or your problems
Yes they do, in both a positive and negative way. I've been in a situation where ostracization was a real threat unless I toed the line.
I'm sorry if you're so lonely that the idea of societal acceptance is alien to you.
Funny thing is in French PD mean faggot (in a very offensive way)
Were you at risk of being ostracized because you kept being a faggot and no one wanted to deal with your bullshit because they don't give a shit about your problems?
Sad is depending on a cartoon character being gay to feel validated as a human being.
That isn't what she is taking about.
Representation is more powerful than you might think user.
>Could you elaborate on the Rebecca Sugar relationship? I've always thought the people behind that show were weird.
>She would send Shmorky gifts of hand drawn sketches of Stephen Universe characters. Shmorky in general got sent a lot of gifts from people, congratulating him on how brave he was for being genderqueer and all that happy horseshit. I was going to get to meet her, but we never got around to it. Shmorky actually went to high school with her husband and met her through him. And yes, it is true that she drew hentai of Cartoon Network characters when she was younger. She echoed a lot of the sentiments Shmorky had about making genderqueer/LGBT friendly kids programming and they had always wanted to collaborate on a show.
>I skimmed through the episode where Steven (a fat little boy) fuses with his love interest (a little girl) and while the staff pretend it's just some innocent Dragonball thing it was really obviously a metaphor for sexual intercourse and the entire thing was very similar to a bizarre transformation fetish webcomic I read when I was 12 years old and too stupid to realize what was and wasn't softcore fetish porn.
> It's a very bizarrely sexual kids show.
No.
The fact that you'd even ask that shows that you're so far removed from the situation that you have no real perspective of it.
user, why on earth would I have any knowledge of your personal ostracization problem?
You're nothing to me, so I was making a guess based on what information I had.
>I've been in a situation where ostracization was a real threat unless I toed the line.
Aren't SJWs all about ostracizing the shit out of anyone who doesn't toe their party line as slavishly as possible?
>the staff pretend it's just some innocent Dragonball thing it was really obviously a metaphor for sexual intercourse
How come people always consider any kind of embrace of care or love as exclusively sexual?
all I'll say is this; multiple times I've seen black people, usually girls give out this sob story about makiing up white superheroes when they were kids because they didn't know superheroes could be black and all I can think is. "You're pretty goddamn stupid as an adult then."
I work on a videogame as head writer. Romance is a serious part of our game and we're including gay, bisexual, and heterosexual relationships as well as mongomous and polyamorous relationships. We have frank discussions about what is and isn't acceptable from a writing standpoint because A: some of us can't write certain scenes with a level of acceptable quality and B: sometimes we don't want to bother with certain things in our stories.
What I'm saying here is creators are not under some weird obligation to to represent anyone. Minority, Majority, or lesbian space rock. If they want to do it, and if they have a good plan for it: great.
but I'm sick of seeing whiney dumb shits with twitter accounts harass people for having the nerve to present a product without 'People of Color' (nevermind the racist origins of that wonderful little term. Feel free to exchange POC for whatever you feel like.) Or whatever the fuck cause they want to champion.
I'm also sick of creators being harassed for having the nerve to represent some weird group in whatever they're making. Normally I'm against the big two making minority characters because they tend to be the product of quotas and are shallow and one dimensional. Occasionally though we get some interesting characters, so like, whatever.
>all I'll say is this; multiple times I've seen black people, usually girls give out this sob story about makiing up white superheroes when they were kids because they didn't know superheroes could be black
Blade had his own movies
Static Shock had an awesome cartoon
Rhodey was War Machine / Iron Man
They didn't give a shit about supers
>user, why on earth would I have any knowledge of your personal ostracization problem?
You can't even imagine a hypothetical one which is clear by how you jump to the most outlandish "It's actually your fault" scenario possible. You're not interested in an honest discussion so I won't waste any more time with you.
So what if they are? Having shitty people behind a cause doesn't invalidate the cause, otherwise no causes are worth supporting.
I agree largely with what you just said.
And your ability to create whatever story you want has not been taken away from you.
That being said, I don't see any of this as a bad thing more diverse perspectives on stories of all kinds tend to make for more interesting range of stories.
>So what if they are? Having shitty people behind a cause doesn't invalidate the cause, otherwise no causes are worth supporting.
If shitty people are in charge of the cause and are basically the entirety of the cause...
Social Ostracization is the consequence for unacceptable behaviour. (until legal action enters the scene anyways.)
I've seen people who are supposedly for a wider more accepting society ostracize people for not fitting their tiny pigeonholes that they've created for various minorities, genders, and sexualties.
In a perfect world we'd see a society where you could be yourself without blow back. Problem is 'yourself' for a lot of people tends to be an awful fucking person. I know plenty of people who are selfish dickheads who need the occasional smack upside the head and to be reminded not to act like a jack ass.
So yeah sometimes social pressure to act a certain way can suck when the social climate says your sexuality, method of dress, accent, or fucking hairstyle is unaccepable. But I'd say the current social mindset of 'stealing is wrong, murder is wrong, violence is wrong, making people work without pay is wrong' and so on is pretty decent so I wouldn't knock social ostracization from the get go.
Oh, and Storm, but she was on a team so I guess I'll count her as half or three-fifths, whatever
>Consent to kids
Why would you talk about consent and sex to 5 year olds?
It is the problem with that term and that buzzword, social justice is such a wide reaching thing that I would love to see you try to pin down who is in charge of it.
It isn't a cause it is reality.
>That isn't what she is taking about.
Her own words "I want to feel like I exist"
You can speak about one of those things without also speaking about the other user
Because extreme left want to lower the age of consent
>Social Ostracization is the consequence for unacceptable behaviour. (until legal action enters the scene anyways.)
"Unacceptable" is not an objective qualifier.
>So yeah sometimes social pressure to act a certain way can suck when the social climate says your sexuality, method of dress, accent, or fucking hairstyle is unaccepable. But I'd say the current social mindset of 'stealing is wrong, murder is wrong, violence is wrong, making people work without pay is wrong' and so on is pretty decent so I wouldn't knock social ostracization from the get go.
Are you retarded? You're arguing against NOTHING anyone said. Nobody said social ostracization was inherently wrong. You went on a tangent that nobody gives one iota of a shit about and informing us of something every one of us already knows.
Le peupe dique
Visibility not Validation
It's not so much that I'm against Diverse Story Telling Viewpoints as I'm against Diversity Quotas. Diversity Quotas in storytelling are bad, they produce bad characters and bad storylines.
And short of someone holding a gun to my head (figurative in this case via editorial mandate or paycheck I suppose. Don't want to think about a world where companies force writers to write shit at gunpoint unless I'm writing satire) I can write whatever I want. (Until the project director tells me that my idea is dumb and we're not using it anyway. As much as it annoys me it's nice to know we have an EiC.)
No one's stopping creators from making what they want but there's a surprisingly loud culture of Imperialistic Culturism. You've got polish game studio owners being harassed on twitter for deciding to make a decently historically accurate low key fantasy game based in poland. (so no black people, this is some form of crim apparently.) You've got japanese game studios being harassed by similar groups for being sexist.
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't mean much but it's certainly souring my view of cries for greater representation.
>my entire identity is based on my sexuality
People like that are basically real life NPC's. There's nothing of value to be found in these people; they are completely vacuous.
Because it's
ALRIGHT TO EXPOSE YOURSELF TO KIDS
DO IT NOW BEFORE THEY GROW UP AND IT'S TOO LATE
I still agree with all this.
However I don't let irrational claims about representation take away from the fact that more of it is still needed and the industries and pipelines are generally built to resist it.
It is a real problem and it is lame that all the solutions we seem to get are surface level and a Character here or a single writer there.
>It's not so much that I'm against Diverse Story Telling Viewpoints as I'm against Diversity Quotas. Diversity Quotas in storytelling are bad, they produce bad characters and bad storylines.
Great, good thing the topic of this thread Rebecca Sugar doesn't advocate that.
Diversity quotas are also extremely racist in reality.
Let's say I wanted to make an RPG based on loads of cultures of the world.
Suddenly I am racist for including African Warriors who look like African Warriors.
>the fact that more of it is still needed
It really isn't. There doesn't need to be representation for gays in cartoons any more than there needs to be representation for any other fetish.
I like wearing a collar and having a girl call me a "good boy" while I like peanut butter out of her asshole, I do not think I need representation in childrens shows for my deviant sexuality
I get wanting your kind to have more representation on media, but she just seems like she wants pats on the back.
There are plenty of gays in media now, as there are plenty of straights, and there are plenty of characters who's oreientation is never revealed. Project onto them if you must, but bisexual isn't a real thing.
Good try, bud.
Exactly why should people care about others who are not their loved ones or close friends? No one is under contract or have taken a blood oath.
People live, people die.
Talking about consent doesn't mean telling them about sex but they'll be able to get how it applies when they're older if you already start discussing consent in every day life. Like my 4 year old niece was constantly hugging some other kid her age on the playground. The second girl was clearly upset by it, but my niece is pushy and thinks that she's just being nice. So I separated them and told her that even though hugging is nice, if someone doesn't want any hugs that's okay too. Just stop and see if they want to play some other way. And she got it, said sorry, and asked if she wanted to play on the jungle gym. Just bring consent and other lessons up in contexts that are relatable to their age group, and then adjust as they get older.
No, more of it is not needed due to very simple reasons
LGBTBBQ people are a minority, so much so they needed to united people of every "not straight" sexuality together in a group and they're still a dramatic minority.
And most Media, surprisingly, is not based on what hole or thing you stuff in a hole you enjoy the most.
Good try at what? Gay is not a race, it's purely sexual...being gay has nothing to do with anything other than sex
It does not need to be present in childrens media, unless you're a fucking pedophile which surprise, many pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual
The fact that they're a minority is EXACTLY why it's needed. The majority are not the only people who matter.
Alright faggots, this is taking this shit too far. I was okay with fusion until today. I was okay with this show until today. But teaching kids who are maybe 5 years old about sex and consent is just fucking disgusting. It doesn't help this is all just Rebecca Sugar's weird fantasy to help justify her identity and of others or some shit. JESUS Christ can't this show just be about a kid going on stupid alien adventures with his crazy gem warrior guardians? What fucking happened? Not to mention season 3 has been pretty shit so far. Only like 4 out of the 11 episodes have been good. They've dropped every interesting overarching plot for the moment to do these awkward, and creepy as Hell episodes with the townspeople. Beach City Drift was not only poorly written but came off as disturbing in the worst possible way. Stevonnie is a person made of literal children having the gem version of sex. It could've been handled well, but it just isn't. It's honestly fucking disgusting. I just want to watch my cartoon characters have fun, not lecture me on the LGBT community and cradle Tumblr babies. I just want a decent cartoon on the air Jesus Christ. Between this and Alex Hirsch's abortion of a treasure hunt modern cartoonists are a fucking trainwreck of the worst kind. Get some real non California liberal scrum to make some decent cartoons for once. Maybe I'm just a fag but man does this shit piss me off. Rant over.
And? Representation is already overly saturated as is, we have loads more gay people than there actually gay people population wise.
You know, the Majority matter too? At the end of the day, you will ALWAYS be the minority.
By that logic, being straight is only about sex so we should just not have any shows with relationships.
This one, not as good. Keep trying though.
Please read this Consent doesn't have to be taught in regards to sex user, and it is important to teach kids.
People already do that. SJWs are the only ones being weird about it, blaming normal people for the actions of violent criminals who are already thoroughly ostracized and punished.
I really dislike Diversity Quotas for the exact same reason. Storytelling rarely turns out well when you are going down a check list because you need to have "One of these, one of those, one gay guy, one bi girl, one black person," etc. People usually form groups around those who are similar to them, be it skin color, sexuality, interest, etc. Yes, you can get those groups of one of everything, but from a storytelling stand, it always seems to turn out better when you have a community of people and then expand from there naturally.
I feel that a lot of creators forget that you don't have to represent EVERYONE in EVERYTHING that you do, but rather, you can have one thing about x and then another about y, and if somehow those two overlap and it makes sense, then all the better. But neither is less than the other. Diversity Quotas just weaken the writing by shoehorning characters and plotlines in that would otherwise not really fit.
>And? Representation is already overly saturated as is, we have loads more gay people than there actually gay people population wise.
Do you have any facts to prove this? I welcome you to collect data on every single heterosexual character in existence and compare it to every single homosexual. Go ahead. I can wait. I'm sure you have very solid numbers behind that claim.
>You know, the Majority matter too?
That's already a default position and if you took it for granted that's entirely your issue.
Look personally? I think representation is pointless nonsense but I'm a fairly conservative think so maybe I'm wrong. Whatever, one of our main problems at the moment is a significant portion of global culture is made by american, or american inspired sources.
A significant portion of the companies that make this stuff are run by old jewish dynasties that date back damn near a hundred years. In a very real sense you're looking at culture that's monopolized by companies that want maximum profit with little effort so honestly if you want to see wider representation in media you need iconoclasts who can force one of the big media outlets to let them make whatever they want.
Or you need to do what me and mine are doing and make your own small time indie bullshit. Milestone is a good example of people making what they think the world needs. Not what I'd call the most amazing books in the world but they weren't embarassing either. So mission accomplished I guess.
My advice? Keep an eye on youtube and try to find some nerd news sites worth a damn. Eventually someone will produce some dumb little project you like the look of and maybe, just maybe you'll make a difference in it getting funded.
Patreon is also a good place for little indie productions. (despite the abuses of some people)
Keep your chin up, world's changing. If representation is actually important we'll see that as time goes on. Necessity is the mother of invention right?
Agree with this.
Its interesting that we get pissed when SJW try to make white male writers do superheroes (black, hispanic, etc) instead of cultures/backgrounds they are more familer with and can humanize.
A gay writer does the same and Sup Forumsumbler is ready to string them up because they write what they know.
Your character fucking existing is not pushing an agenda.
"Don't force people to do something they're not okay with*"
*Exclusions such as laws, responsibilities may occur, refer to adult for further instructions.
Seems like a rather easy lesson.
Calling Steven gay would be an insult to gays
I've seen tougher fags then Stephano Uranus
People who talk about representation of experiences in media tend to make things with an incredibly American-centric bias. When I was a kid I always wanted to watch cartoons reflecting my childhood, but they were always about Americans instead.
What? Lol yes we are
...
I already do that and it is shockingly easy to find diverse work if you want to
But in the mainstream that is a much different story.
What about Alex Hirsch? I never finished Gravity Falls.
>By that logic, being straight is only about sex so we should just not have any shows with relationships.
Male and female is the natural order of things, it's what's inherent in our fucking DNA
I have nothing against gays but own up to what you are, sexual perverts, don't pervert kids....they will become perverted on their own
>84739995
I think he is half way there to a (you)
I am sorry to say user but I think you have something against Gay people.
"Diversity Quotas" don't produce bad characters and storylines; shit writers with bad ideas do. If that writer/company you love starts producing garbage as a result of introducing diversity to their products, well, congrats, you've just realized they were a shit writer who had a few flukes to begin with.
>I want to feel like I exist
Millenials will defend this.
I suppose that works, but Steven Universe is obviously talking about the sexual meaning of consent.
No. Let kids be kids. They have plenty of time to learn all about sex when they get a little bit older. You are only a kid once, so don't fuck this up for them.
Right, so we're going to ignore the current trend of minority increases due to Diversity Quotas because people in the past were not shoving them in willy nilly.
Steven Universe is case in point where diversity quotas and minority pandering have basically proven they cannot provide good storytelling.
The most interesting character is a straight dude trying to raise his half-alien kid surrounding by One Dimensional Selfish Dyke proxies.
Hell, the Crystal Gems are literally some of the most Horrible people in existence in a cartoon and supposed to be heroes
>Pearl is an obsessive Dyke who refuses to accept her crushes sexuality
>Garnet is a character defined by their sexuality to the point they cannot function without it
>Amethyst is a misanthrope who uses other people's emotions like toys to hide her crippling lack of self-assurance.
Ironically, these do sound like representations of many gay people I know.
Kudos Sugar, you managed to show how fucking horrible gay people are.
Consent, in the context, is definitely talking about sexual consent which is an insane thing to want to teach children.
Yes but in the same way Ren and Stimpy was you can stop moral crusading for kids for whom the message will go straight over their heads and they will get the nice part about consent.
It's really not. Why do people keep saying this?
You're telling me you lack a basic level of human empathy to relate or at least follow a story or a cast of characters if they don't want to fuck the same group of people as you? If they don't look like you? If they don't have the same illnesses, the same mental health problems or the same interests?
>But the kids won't be encouraged to feel at home with themselves, or be more than they are!
>How will they have role models otherwise?
It has NEVER been the role of media to raise children. It's entertainment. It's either good or bad, and it's either liked by its audience or not.
Like I said, a significant portion of global media is made in american studios or by american producers or is mimicing american works. Until something radical changes and you start seeing other countries produce their own stuff that's not gonna change.
I haven't paid for cable TV in years, I pirate series I like, watch Netflix when I get lucky and they have something good and play video games. I don't really care about the mainstream and never really have. 90% of all entertainment is garbage and the mainstream is pretty much a lot of flash and noise peppered with attempts to get people to buy shit.
and it's pretty much been this way since the outset of mass media entertainment. Someone has to pay for those shows, it's not surprising that producers will try to hedge their bets and get as wide an audience as possible. (nevermind all the annoying ads)
you want to see wider diversity in mainstream entertainment?
Make it profitable or crash the market and rebuild from the ground up with diversity in mind.
They taught kids about consent all the damned time when we were kids. Or have you forgotten those "Stranger Danger" videos that allude to some vague menace that happened to kids when they got into "strangers' cars or houses?
>Hell, the Crystal Gems are literally some of the most Horrible people in existence in a cartoon and supposed to be heroes
That's kind of the point. Steven is the heart of the Cristal Gems.
SJWs are extremists. Not everyone wanting representation or diversity is a SJW. Not everyone who is a minority or LGBT is a SJW.
SJWs aren't in charge of the cause, they're just the only part you're hearing about because you're obviously not part of the cause, so they only exposure you have to them is people bitching about SJWs on Sup Forums. If you equate Sugar with SJWs, then you're opinion is irrelevant because you're misinformed or willfully ignorant.
This fools don't realize that the moment that you are born, you exist. THAT IS IT! Even babies have some understanding that they are alive, they exist. You humans...damn.
I don't care if we got gays or whatever, I just don't It fucking up my viewing experiences. If you can't be subtle enough to put in gays in a non immersion breaking way, then don't do it.
Loud House did this perfectly by the way.
Do you honestly think there is not something powerful in fiction about seeing someone like you?
The point is that gay people are horrible people?
Hell, Look at Peridot. she shows no indication that they are gay proxy and she's by far the most level headed and least sociopathic of the bunch and she was working for long neck yellow freeza.
Even Jasper shows a better personality, even if she is just Nappa/Zangief.
I had sex ed classes in an all girl's catholic school when I was 8 years old. Most of the girls in that batch are successful, single, professional women who don't have kids, and if they do they're married and all proper.
I don't think that the show's particularly harping on the message too hard. Maybe it just seem that way to you because you hate tumblr.
Messages in cartoons have always been there. And Cartoons weren't always for fun. It's been used for propaganda and sex. But alright mate, you have the right to have an opinion. You can have it.
Don't even fucking compare the two. That's just cartoony fun.
They're not. You just want to act like they are to make it easier for you to be dismissive.
I've never seen someone in fiction like me so I wouldn't know.
Every other episode is bad too.
It's funny that people still spread this lie.
Historically, the 'socially progressive' types have been the ones pushing for ages of consent in the 18 area. It wasn't even a hundred years ago that you could marry a ridiculously young chick in America, and it's mostly the hardcore conservatives that want to return to that.