>Another fan asked about the timeline of the post-Rebirth DC Universe. "We don't really want to put specific timelines on things - there's five year gap, 10 years missing - but age and time moves differently in comics than they do in real time," DiDio said. "You get a true sense of the heirarchy and the generational aspect of the DC Universe - that was the thing we heard most with the New 52 was the loss of that generational feel, so we're adding that depth to the line again."
They don't know what the fuck is going on with their own characters' histories.
But that's exactly it. Putting a hard and fast timeline across the board limits creators who want to do different things with different books.
The people who are interested in advancing the specific plot lines of Rebirth will do it in their own books and hopefully communicate with each other to keep that plot going. The writers who aren't are free to do their own thing without worrying about it.
Rebirth really is focused far more on the characters themselves, each of the Rebirth issues starts by establishing those characters in their new status quo or context and shows what important storylines or themes will be developed going forward. Each context is going to be different for each character.
Anthony Phillips
>inb4 hurr durr story > continuity bruh xdxd
Why are you upset at the truth?
This is the best way to do it. Specific timelines don't matter that much, just keep the right generations together.
Nicholas Hughes
They know the 5 year New 52 plan was garbage, but they already invested too much into it to completely back out. They're stuck. So they added some missing 10 years idea that is super vague just so they can work around the 5 years problem they created themselves.
Logan Cook
>But that's exactly it. Putting a hard and fast timeline across the board limits creators who want to do different things with different books.
If the characters don't have background or history they don't have anything. They're just blank states.
Jayden Sullivan
>a mess of a story where nobody knows what the fuck exactly happened in the past
Yeah, it's the best way to do it.
Jackson Cooper
The Flash is already weird with timeline. Wally still remembers Linda, when in fact they never got married in this timeline because he disappeared as Kid Flash. Then we go Rebirth and Barry says Wally took Flash name without Barry for a while. i don't give a shit about continuity either but they need to be clear on what's canon and what's not.
Logan Ortiz
Hi, bendis. Didn't know that you are a dcfag.
Camden Martin
That part is easy. Wally's exist is an in-universe retcon in the new 52 timeline. That's why he has to give everyone the corrected new 52 memories with him.
Juan Sullivan
existence*
fucking hell, how did I do that?
Juan Foster
The people who are saying DC is saved need to read this slowly.
Carson Miller
I want you to in very clear terms explain to me why this matters personally to you and how it impacts reading a story.
David Jones
They wont read it, user. DCfags will ignore this statement, will defend it. Damage Control Comics indeed.
Owen Rivera
It's good though, sorry you're a pleb
Nathaniel Reyes
Basically, Wally didn't really exist in the New 52 timeline. But he "forced himself" into continuity and everyone got memories of him that didn't really exist until that point.
Speedforce, holy shit.
Cameron Cooper
It matters because they're showing us that they don't care. They don't put thought in these things.
Brayden Hernandez
Ain't gotta explain shit.
Adrian Davis
Speed force itself vs Manhattan for the Rebirth finale imo
Elijah Johnson
If Speed Force is Barry, does it mean he loved Wally so much that he protected him from Manhattan's massacre and shoved him into tmeline?
Ian Ortiz
As long as the stories are good, why does it matter if everything is 100% internally consistent? Quality is better than continuity.
Lucas Foster
Okay, bendis.
Daniel Long
Well Barry isn't exactly the Speed Force. He created it and he's its engine, but he's not the Speed Force himself.
>Putting a hard and fast timeline across the board limits creators who want to do different things with different books. That is what other universes are for.How am I to know if I should expect the character development I saw elsewhere to be shown in a new comic if the time is some abstract concept. it already fucks up events when you know the resolution months in advance because all books don't come out on time. >establishing those characters in their new status quo or context and shows what important storylines or themes will be developed going forward redoing the origin story is the last trick of any shit writer
Henry Diaz
it could be but it won't be
Leo Ramirez
status quo isn't origin, but that you took that from his post shows that you're just looking for things to get upset about
Asher Lee
>I need backstory to enjoy DC comic books Enjoy reading decades worth of content that gets rebooted, retconned and ignored on a daily basis.
Comic books don't hold your hand. It's your responsibility to know what's going on because DC is rarely self-contained.
Bentley Parker
yeah if by 100% internally consistent you mean like characters teaming up with their enemies or forgetting he resolutions they made few issues ago, yeah sure. >As long as the stories are good make one shots and elseworlds if you want to be self contained. If you want to have episodic stories than you need to be consistent, hell you need to be consistent even in a 1 shot(its just easier there) would you forgive a tv show if it pulled this crap?
Easton Nelson
you are either very naive or this is your first rodeo. given all the previous reboots we all know the first issues are just going to tell us the same shit we have been hearing since childhood
Justin Young
I'm sure there's tons of writers that want to do that one story about the Atom being trapped in an alternate dimension with armenian prisoners and have to fight Gorilla Grodd to save the day, but can't because of a timeline. But there's also writers that know the characters and want to do things based on the history they have and the things they've been through, but can't cause shit gets erased and retconned every monday.
Mason Davis
>Enjoy reading decades worth of content that gets rebooted, retconned and ignored on a daily basis.
And you didn't even thought that gets rebooted, retconned and ignored PRECISELY because they don't give a shit about continuity? It's almost like they're not even trying like I'm saying, duh.
Asher Ross
Fucking this. All of it.
Connor Morales
DC should have never opened the Pandora's Box of reboots and retcons. They should have never allowed this. Or at least they should have stopped Crisis while was still early. There was nothing wrong with the previous timeline, and writers had access to 70+ years of stories about the characters to tell whatever the fuck they wanted with them.
Now they have to work within the limits of this new shitty continuity. If anything, the reboot limited what writers can do.
Charles Walker
>muh continuity >i sperg and can't enjoy a story if i don't know in raw detail where the JL stories fit with their members solo books!
Jaxon Martinez
Sales reason is why.
Aiden Wood
>They don't know what the fuck is going on with their own characters' histories.
Well, obviously. You needed actual confirmation? It's not inherently bad, as long as they write good comics.
But they don't.
Camden Ward
>If anything, the reboot limited what writers can do.
Not really. It just means that things have to be reintroduced, and bad editors/EiCs are autistic enough to always say, "Nah dude, [insert writer here] has this awesome story that's gonna introduce them, so you can't do it!" And then that story never fucking comes.
Jaxon Robinson
There was nothing wrong with rebooting it. They just needed to not half ass it and actually reboot. Not go "oh well this might have rebooted, this didn't, this is new maybe, oh hey let's just undo it"
Noah Allen
>Let's let a nonnerd nonnerdsplain to nerds Keep it up DCucks Comics Comics
Nathaniel Phillips
>limits creators Editorial constraint breeds creativity. Besides, did post-Crisis continuity pen Morrison in from canonizing Silver Age Batman?
Chase Davis
All Rebirth did was make New 52 suck less to the point that it's actually readable now. No one really ever said otherwise.
Tyler Cooper
>It just means that things have to be reintroduced
And don't you seriously think that limits what writers can do? They have to reintroduce every element or character of the lore again if they want to use it, instead of simply having it already available.
It's very fucking limited. They made the universe smaller. They reduced the toy box which writers can play with.
Lincoln Ward
They can still do that. That's the whole point. You don't have to be beholden to what other writers do. You can ignore stupid shit that no one cares about.
You're proving his point. The fact that Morrison was free to bring in elements of Batman's history that had effectively been deleted shows the advantages of not having to be extremely strict with continuity.
Why do continuityfags think "story > continuity" means "JUST DO WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT, NO RULES, DOGS AND CATS LIVING TOGETHER, MASS HYSTERIA"?
It just means being a complete autist about canon is retarded and annoying, and that you can be a little loose with it. It doesn't mean you can contradict the character's entire history, just that you can tolerate some small inconsistencies.
It's essentially Hypertime-- more recent things overwrite past things, things people like and remember stay in continuity, things people don't care about or that were bad get forgotten.
Jaxon Reed
>You don't have to be beholden to what other writers do.
Yet, they have to be beholden of this shitty limited contunity lacking a lot of the familiar characters and lore elements a writer may want to use because editorial says so.
For example, if a writer wants to do a story with the Hunter Zolomon version of Zoom, he can't, because that character doesn't exist anymore. If a writer wants to do a Booster Gold and Blue Beetle story, he can't, because those characters don't have a relationship anymore nor they ever shared a history together. And Booster is nowhere to be seen for a long time already. And those are just two examples in a long line of similar cases.
