Are there benefits from eugenics?

Are there benefits from eugenics?

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getting to kill people you don't like

Nice b8 m8.
No retards.
No diseases, because all genetic diseases would no longer exist and you'd become immune to other.
No niggers or asians, because they are not MASTER RACE.
All people are extremely clever (IQ > 140) and are gods in sports.

Ask Bill Gates. He wants the world depopulated.

LMFAOOOOO

Human frailty is our greatest strength. It pushes us to achieve even higher and higher out of necessity. Perfection is stagnation.

>practice primitive form of eugenics for all of human history
>selectively breed crops and domesticated animals
>an unpopular government embraces Eugenics
>suddenly it's Voldemort

The principles are sound.

Eugenics will make us able to uplift niggers so they stop holding society back. Yes it is very good.

It has about the same benefits as Communism.

A select group of psycho and sociopaths squash out anything they deem a threat to their influence or power, flaw or virtue regardless.

This senpai

I'm starting to have doubts about IQ being genetic. It doesn't make any sense for every brain to grow up exactly the same no matter how they use it during their childhood. If you play piano all the time your brains adapts to that environment makes you better at playing piano. If you solve puzzles and think logically your entire childhood then you will have higher logical iq

Eugenics literally means beneficial-genetics.

your mum is frail you dumb nigger.
humans are one of the most resilient creatures on the planet biologically
but ofc stupids like you suck up jew propaganda without even thinking about it

If both your parents are alcohol addict you will never be able to have even master degree.
IQ is genetic.

Abortion was started as eugenics program and its done a great job of keeping the black population down. Even though black take like 12% of the population they take up over 1/3 of abortions.

Explain to me then the aborigines that forgot how to make fucking fire

>EU
>Beneficial
I am triggered by this prefix.

IQ is genetic. What you're talking about is developmental.

Our fitness can't remain constant. A rejection of eugenics is a de facto endorsement of dysgenics

good-rope

>Large skulls, small brains
>Inbreeding
>Killing brain cells with petrol sniffing and alcohol
>They never exercise their brains during childhood so they never develop any of the intellectual abilities shown in the picture here

Maybe, but alcohol doesn't alter your dna. If they grow up retarded that's only because the mom consumed alcohol while pregnant or because the child grew up under shitty conditions with shitty alcoholic parents and never got to exercise their brains.

right, then why educated abos still can only barely speak

That's not true. Besides, education only exercise your verbal intelligence, not your logical-mathematical intelligence

The problem I see with Eugentics is who gets to decide what stays and what goes? What defines a worthy person? That aside though let's say for example we let IQ determine.

At the end of the day IQ is simply potential and despite some people being geniuses they choose not to to think beyond. We could possibly be losing out on someone who could cure diseases because we decided his potential was to low but had the willpower to reach it.

Now Let's say that theoretically everyone did reach their highest potential, there would still need to be an exploit of the weak for society to function however now someone like us would be the exploit to someone with let's say a 160 IQ and we would have no one else to exploit due to us pushing the bar beyond us. The only Eugentics that should be used is to get rid inheritable genetic disorders

Gattica also had a good take on this

tl;dr: Eugentics would get rid of the weak now, making us the "weak". Should only be used on genetic disorders

you don't get to kill them, just sterilize them.

>Petrol, Alcohol
I'm talking about the retarded natives that forgot how to make fire before the first white man ever set foot on the shores of Australia

The fact of the matter is that Abbos despite having thousands of years to improve themselves never exited the fucking stone age
They never learned fucking agriculture

Remove God remove yourself

Not really. It's cheaper and more efficient if you let the natural selection do the job.

We just need to stop that ban in human experiments and eugenics.
After 2-3 generations there would be no retards, because of capitalism.
Only people with enhanced capabilities would gett all good work with high salary, so all people except some sectants will invest to their children.

There could have been.But we missed our chance to start with you OP.

Robots

That's the answer to the exploitation of the weak
It's really quite simple
Once gene selection for babies hits the market in a serious way robots will have already taken over menial labor jobs such as fast food and farm work

In fact the reverse of the situation you described is going to happen first
What do you do with the "low iqs" when there is little to no work for them?

The only developed nation that is playing a smart long game right now is Japan

What defines someone as worthy is going to be their parents
It's not a government who is going to be doing the majority of gene modifications it's going to be parents

>Hereditability
tested between twins
brothers, and even adopted twins.

your kids WILL be about as smart as the parents.
>so marry Smart ;)

#black lives matter

unless baby mama don't want another one

There are literally no intellectually honest arguments that any liberal can make against Eugenics.

Fuck ethics. Progress at all costs.

"Salvation comes with a price. Judge us not by our methods but by what we seek to accomplish."

But since we are feeding, clothing and even taking care of their young when potatoes can't do for themselves, natural selection has been temporarily cancelled

> Asay

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Why don't we just clone people and use them for the experiment?

>got eskimo friend
talks oddly... smart!
petroleum engineer, makes twice as much as me :/

Eugenics is what made Europeans rise above others initially

Nope!

nobility was Inbred and misshapen.
Europe moved ahead through the need for innovation
and by enlarge, having to be sophisticated to deal with severe seasons

People with genetic disorders that will be passed onto the offspring should be sterilized. Im talking about diseased that there are no cures for, for example, being a nigger.

Making a master race? I dunno, seems like pointless research.

Wrong. Eugenics made us select the best crops and cattle, allowing us to become more efficient in terms of food production, thus allowing a larger population and a larger labor force. Also population planning (one of the initial forms of Eugenics) was fundamental in ensuring a sustainable development

Nope, eugenics doesn't work.

Just look at dogs.

>the most resilient creatures

You stupid fucking pole. Humans eat shit if they didn't have their intelligence. Our intelligence evolved as a way of over coming our fucking physical weakness.

Buying into eugenics is jew fucking propaganda.

>alcohol doesn't alter your dna

No, but having a genetic tolerance helps you not die of alcohol poisoning.

It's a fact that people with lighter eyes have a quantifiably higher tolerance to alcohol, and how efficiently they process it.

That means sometime in the distant past, it was a beneficial evolutionary trait to have a higher tolerance to alcohol.

Aboriginals and most natives never evolved this trait, because it wasn't needed in their environment.

That's why they're all drunks. They're just trying to evolve.

>I have no fucking idea what I'm talking about

This is actually true, but I'm on mobile so I don't feel like explaining it.

This.

It's something that could greatly benefit humanity but so far only ruthless despots have tried it so it gets a bad rap.

Literally every trait of human biology is heritable. Except IQ of course, despite a clear and obvious correlation between parent and child IQ.

>It's not a government who is going to be doing the majority of gene modifications it's going to be parents.

Considering the end game of any eugenics would be to create a genetically superior upper class, all you would need to do is have governmental control of the Healthcare needs of the lowest class.

Then, if the government wanted to modify genes, they could do it under the guise of a vested interest in the welfare of the child.

We already do via welfare/state insurance/medicare.

It would be quite ingenious, really.

I will try.
Genetics is very complicated, more then we pretend. maybe if we raise the IQ too much, we get too much autism. That is a too easy example, but there are more complex ones. You can't always predict what traits will be helpful in 100 or 200 years. So eugenics are disharmonious because we are self sectioning some traits in and thus some traits out in a radically uncertain world.

It's not even a question of sterilization or euthanasia anymore with the advent of CRISPR and genome-wide association studies. In 15 years, we will have a genetic roadmap of diseases like Alzheimer's and the tools to make micro edits to the genome of any embryo.

It's weird to think about, but there is some finite, integer number of genomic edits that would turn even Chris-Chan into the most handsome, athletic, intelligent, charismatic man to walk the earth.

At a certain point, it will be safe enough to become a basic tool of public health. The only thing left to debate will be the same tired old moral issues China will have thrown to the wind years before.

nurture vs nature.
protip= it is always a interplay between the two.
Suck it nature fags
Suck it nurture fags

IQ isn't a perfect measurement for intelligence but it's the best we have. Intelligence is something that has genetic basis. Obviously people who use their brains more will get more out of it just like people who exercise would get more out of their muscles.

No matter what though there is a genetic ceiling to our abilities. Only a small % of us could become a Olympic tier or Professional athlete if we tried. A larger but still small % could make the try outs, become semi pro. More could play for a top tier college. Then a state school and so on and so fourth.

Same thing applies to the brain.

but what if Alzheimer's brain late in life makes you more robost in 3d painting early in life?
I can't remember details but I know some brain old age problems are like that

> Are there benefits from eugenics?

humans have been doing eugenics since the fucking dawn of time


except it was all natural and no invasive shit like "let's mate plants and insects together" that we have today


Arranged marriages are eugenics
Cattle breeding is eugenics
All dogs in the world are pretty much eugenics

This may be a morally corrupt position, depending on whether you look at short term vs long term.

The first step would be to legalize human testing in regards to gene doping. The illegal or self tested successes made with gene doping are measurably apparent. A handful of genes have been isolated that improve muscle mass by 100%, burn fat faster, help oxegenation of the blood (increased muscle endurance), and one that can potentially cure aging.

Successful immortality injection:

bioviva-science.com/2016/04/21/first-gene-therapy-successful-against-human-aging/

MSTN genetic effects:

ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/myostatin-related-muscle-hypertrophy

With more data, specifically the health records of all previous "illegally" injected patients, we could better determine long term consequences.

Gattaca is a straw man. He had a shit heart. Find me one place that says the same genes that should predispose you to having a shit heart also make you likely to be unintelligent. The guy was clearly intelligent enough to do the work he did, but somehow it was a moral victory that he succeeded in spite of his other shortcomings, which were in fact accurately predicted. This is a classic error of attribution: he didn't succeed in spite of his many weaknesses, he succeeded because he clearly possessed intelligence, a highly heritable trait.

If anything, the gattaca civilization was flawed not for its eugenics, but its understanding of "genetic quality" as some aggregate measure relating to aptitude. This is obviously simplistic. Strengths and weaknesses can balance out for most people who want to do most things. Some people on the low end will be fucked no matter what. Some people on the high end will succeed no matter how badly they fuck up. Yet, this fact in no way means that the reasons for success and failure were any less heritable.

Even the argument that determination and perseverance is more important than intelligence falls apart when you consider that this trait, labeled as Conscientiousness in personality psychology, is probably itself between 40-50% heritable.

With all that in mind, using CRISPR and other advancements, develop a way to alter bad genes that cause various genetic illness in vitro.

The trick is to make them all the same blood type.

Require all those with state provided health insurance (welfare recipients) to undergo prenatal genetic testing. When a genetic illness is detected (there will always be at least one) offer to alter the genes, or refuse to insure the child due to negligence.

The trick is to make them all the same blood type, A for example, as long as it doesn't interact with the blood type of the mother via the rh negative factor. This would draw negative attention to the process due to complications such as a miscarriage.

m.acog.org/Patients/FAQs/The-Rh-Factor-How-It-Can-Affect-Your-Pregnancy?IsMobileSet=true

Now, we currently understand that some blood types offer a natural weakness to certain illnessess due to the antigens present being similar to the specific illness.

For example: people with the A blood type are more succeptible to smallpox.

smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-mystery-of-human-blood-types-86993838/

>In some infectious diseases, bacteria may closely resemble certain blood antigens, making it difficult for antibodies to detect the difference between foreign invaders and the body’s own blood. People who are type A, for instance, seem more susceptible to smallpox, while people who are type B appear more affected by some E. coli infections.

I think you should start to see where this is going.

>we could better determine long term consequences.
not really because long term here implies several generations after you are dead.
in the end it will happen though. everyone will be a 200iq(from todaies base iQ that is) empathetic non-violent saint.
I think when the A.I singularly happens it will realize something like the best choice is to kill all humans to save the greater planet.

>Dogs
>Literally bred using shit-tier breeding practices prioritizing looks over health and function
>Horrible inbreeding
>Eugenics doesn't work
Kek

Engineer a genetically disease free person, but make it highly succeptible to a specific illness.

Then, you engineer an outbreak. Hell, you could even blame it in terrorism or climate change.

The lower rungs of society will be depopulated at a much higher rate than everyone else, leaving only the genetically successful, and the people that could afford a designer baby of their own without the genetic weakness. (The premium package costs $$)

Yes, obviously.

It should be studied seriously, and it should be applied with max force. China will probably be the first to do it.

Yes.

Increasing the overall genetic health of society.

What a shitty comic. Some night bugs actually developed behavior to avoid local (not the moon or stars) light sources when too close. Since when do we build fires and torches? Well it turns out for enough time to kill a significant amount with a tendency to spiral into bright lights.

Well, yeah, we could better determine the consequences, especially since I'm suggesting we deregulate the process to allow more in depth testing, not to mention legalizing the current use of it would promote the sharing of accumulated data between researchers and illegal clinics.

I'm not suggesting we start doing it all willy nilly.

We'll need to exterminate the Slavs too.

Pleiotropy (same genes affecting multiple traits) is a thing but is likely to be relatively insignificant in the case of most disease causing genes. The real issue you're posing is what if all the useful genes for one trait overlap perfectly with the bad genes for another trait and both traits are really important.

This is likely to be really rare. We will infrequently have to choose one human trait to save another. Thankfully, most traits only overlap in their causal genes to a small degree or not at all.

In an AnCap society, you could literally ransom the population using a technology like this. Sell the disease for free, but cure it at a cost and to the highest bidder. Not only do you get rid of all the poorfags, but you end up parting even the reluctant, fence-sitting richfags of their money. And, really, who knows what you mixed in with that "cure". Maybe they'll have to come see you again soon.

I have become jew.

>play videogame all day when i was a kid
>loved mortal kombat 1 and 2 i was the best
>play videogames all day when i was a teen
>loved mortal kombat 3 and 4 i was good
>play videogames every day now that i am adult
>i suck at all games
>i am still good at mk 1 and 2
Before the 20s you have fluid intelligence that adapts to what you are doing, but after it cristalizes and you get stuck that way forever.
I will be always an underachiever who was a champion in mk1 and 2 in a 10meters radius against a horde of 4 other players who could beat me in pretty much every other game ever.
Bury me in an unmarked grave.

>MURIKA cartoons
table, table leg, air, flame, why must your shitty cartoonists label fucking everything

Eugenics or better yet designer babies is the only hope for civilisation. If every race was as smart as whites then there would be no immigration, war, overpopulation, money wasted on building bridges that will just be burnt down, all the blacks in America would contribute equally to society, crime rates would go down and the concept of racism will end. Humanity just needs to achieve this before the point of western collapsion.

you should know something about that wouldn't you Russia.

there are, but like most dubious and godless technologies (cybernetics and augmentation being others), you, o plebian, won't be the one driving the car when it comes down to it.

if eugenics were engaged in, it wouldn't be used to breed ubermenschen, it would be used to domesticate the human species to serve as higher order livestock for the purposes of the elite.

more efficient, but also more complacent and stupid, workers for Chinese factories is on the horizon, not ubermenschen.

human life is worthless tbqhfam

all whites should untie under the cause of leaving this shithole and beging a new life as space pirates. think about it. countless space plunder. moon rivers filled with honey and all the metorites we can pillage. earth is for degenrates and poc

come home, white man

>Yfw you realise that the dog argument is retarded
>Making it literally shoots yourself in the foot
>It proves eugenics works

>Greyhounds, collies, labs, huskies, German Shepard's, beagles, blue heelers, etc..
>All dogs bred with the best of their breed
>Because they are healthy and do their job well

No surprise those dogs are fucking great, healthy, smart, loyal and hard working.

Compare that to garbage like handbag dogs and pugs and shit where they just breed the most fucked up dogs with the most fucked up dogs and they have shitty temperaments and bucket loads of health problems.

Dog eugenics works 100%. The same with other animals like cattle and sheep. It's so fucking arrogant to place ourselves above animals in this regard just because we are sentient. Fucking liberals.

Sure there are benefits! By professing a belief in eugenics for humanity, people reveal themselves for the rest of us to easily ID morons who shouldn't be allowed to have kids.

Retardation can arise from processes which are not inherited e.g. Down Syndrome.

If that includes fewer privileged Yanks, then go right ahead Bill, godspeed.

literally the ONLY DOWNSIDE would be if preferred genes had secondary side-effects or were carriers of some awful horrible defect that we couldn't see and then millions of people started dropping dead

but chances of that are extremely low with how much we know about things like that now

It could be cultural enviroment where the child grows up.If we could switch less inteligent parents children with more intelligent ones we could get closer to the truth.

even black children adopted by white families and growing up in a positive environement have on average (key word being average) lower IQ thant their white counterparts in the US.
IQ might not be 100% biological, but a decent chunk of it is

>Dog eugenics works 100%.
you're aware that purebred dogs suffer from degenerative heritable diseases from generational inbreeding, yeah?

Is high IQ a blessing,or curse?

>eugenics lead to inbreeding
not in a suffciently large population. Most modern dog breeds have a common ancestor from only 200 years ago

From a biological point of view, it's a tangible improvement. From an everyday life point of view, it can be a curse sometimes, but not always.

The more likely scenario is a small, clever ruling race, with a vast reserve of brutish labor bred to accept its role.

Niggers, Jews, bad news.

Yes.
Only hippies dislike eugenics.

> purebred
> eugenics and not vanity

It is just selecting for appearance over health and good genetics.

Purebred dogs are ridiculously inbred. If we just sterilised every man with IQ

Yeah you mean retarded purebreds like the second ones I posted? Where dipshits puppy mill breeders ruin breeds?

Take a look at the first set of dogs I posted, all purebreds and by a mile the most healthiest dogs around.

Yes, it's just immoral.

Living among people with high IQ is a blessing because they are less likely to chimp out and kill you.

We could just get rid of welfare and let nature take its course. Won't happen though, manginas won't let the single moms and their 5 children from different Chads starve to death.

No.
We're the best distant runner, we're the best punchers, we're the best organized predators.
No other species is even close to compete, the only thning they have is faster breeding.

Why? Coould you leafsplain it to me?