Spider-Man: Homecoming has SIX writers

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>six writers
>three villains
>new additions to the main cast were being announced every day for like two weeks

What is it about spider-man movies that always leaves them so overstuffed and busy?

So?

this isn't necessarily a bad thing

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I honestly think it's because people are like "alright, we have to paint a broad picture of who spider-man is in the span of two hours, so lets cram all the things that make spider-man who he is in one movie"

as for villains, spider-man only has a select few that are great so they feel like they have to stack them up to make it feel credible. Vulture by himself seems like a waste, but if you do vulture, shocker, and some other guy you're able to stack the villains into something cool and maybe credible, despite not always working out

>it's a 3 separate villains get whomped then team up episode

They trying to build up the Sinister Six. For some reason after SPM3, everyone seems obsessed with the Sinister Six.

if suicide squad is successful, sinister six will def get fast tracked. this shit is so reactionary

Not that I like Marvel films and all, but multiple writers on a film are pretty common. Zootopia had seven writers.

Ugh, I hate that

That's true for video games too. Guess what happened between Mass Effect 1 and all the way to 3?

As long as the execs at Sony don't fuck around with the production like the previous Spider Man movies than this could be good

They could just fucking do a Spider-Man: Sinister Six movie. The goddamn cartoons did it in 40 minutes. It's not like people don't know who Doctor Octopus, Green Goblin and Shocker are.

The three villains is hardly a problem. Tinkerer will likely just be there to build Shocker and Vulture's gear, and Shocker will just probably just be Spider-man's Crossbones/Batroc/Strucker/etc. Someone for him to fight before the plot kicks into gear.

How Sinister.

>It's not like people don't know who Doctor Octopus, Green Goblin and Shocker are.
ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER

too many cooks

That can be fine as long as they were all working to a common goal and a single strong creative vision.

If they were all working on separate scripts that got smashed together, though, there may be a problem. That's basically why Green Lantern was so bad.

Fuck.

>Normies knowing Shocker.
Venom, Sandman, Lizard, hell even Rhino by now.

But Shocker? Where would they even see him? The Ultimate Alliance games?

Spider-man should be a netflix series, it always should have been after Amazing 2. You cannot fit all of spideys stories into a 2 hour epic, yes ok Spiderman 2 but that was lucky and actually time and thought was put into it. Imagine if Spidey got a series like Daredevil.

>We'll never get a Spidey/DD team-up, even for just one episode.
But yeah, Defenders. Woo...

It doesn't matter how shit it will be, Marvel Studios fags will still call it the best Spider-Man film ever just because it's Marvel Studios and Disney.

My #1 grievance above everything else. No adult Peter = no hanging out with Daredevil. There's not even a possibility.

(((Goldstein)))

>Imagine if Spidey got a series like Daredevil.

Spidey without webs or a costume until the last episode? Little to no special effects?

>(((goldstein)))

What does he being Jewish have anything to do with the topic?

Jews ruin almost everything they touch. Defile it with white guilt and what have you.

Oh, thanks! Clears that up!

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Almost every goddamn Spider-Man game and cartoon

spiderman is suddenly a numale

If it's like just a couple actual writing teams it could work, but if it's constantly being passed back and forth for rewrites then it's fucked.

How many "average" moviegoers actually watch Ultimate, let alone Spectacular? How many of them played the vidya?

Very few. Shocker is essentially a literally who to them.

As kids in the last 10-20 years? Quite a goddamn few. He's nowhere near as popular as GG or Doc Ock, nobody was saying that. But he's been in a lot of Spidey games and shows. A decent amount of people would be familiar with him.

shocker was confirmed at the marvel legends panel to be in homecoming

he'll be the cold open villain

Spider-Man
>1 writer

Spider-Man 2
>1 writer

Spider-Man 3
>3 writers

TASM
>3 writers

TASM 2
>3 writers

Homecoming
>6 writers

Im worried.

You know they only keep adding more because the ones before sucked, right?

Also
>Sony

94's cartoon you fuck.

I think it's probably more likely that it has several jointly-crediting screenwriting teams, perhaps as many as three, and no individual credits. So it's actually more like three guys working on a single script and being credited for it, which is... average?

Writing partnerships are a good way for newer writers to get around the pitfalls of being no-name, and they're quite popular right now for a variety of reasons. For example, right in the headline you've used there's Goldstein and Daley (the others are probably Watts/Ford and McKenna/Sommers); they've worked together before on Vacation (Goldstein is also slated to work on Hasbro/Marvel's ROM movie, if it ever appears).

The reasons you might find yourself in a partnership are various. There's the old "he's good at one thing, I'm good at something else" classic writing partnership - which few people on this board are going to understand, if their grasp of Kirby/Lee's working dynamic is anything to go by it's being creative and being able to promote your product, morons - there's "because the studio has a system where junior writers are paired with more trusted pros" and there's "because your agent does that because they can't sell unknowns to studios". It can be a very good thing for a younger writer, especially if the share of the fee is 50/50, working on a big movie first or second or even third or fourth time. You've got the guiding hand of a seasoned pro but you've also got the right to promote yourself with a success, whereas your heartfelt kitchen sinker about a mop probably was better than JLaw's movie, but nobody fucking saw it and the producer is back to selling real estate in the hills.

Then again, the more there are in your team (looks like 2 max in these), the lower your fee is going to be, and you have to share that credit too. It's a more complex (and contested) issue, but it's increasingly normal, and makes sense for later on a shared universe.

>>six writers
>>three villains

SONY NEVER LEARNS!

>Thor - The Dark World (2013)
>Writing Credits
>Christopher Yost ... (screenplay) (as Christopher L. Yost) and
>Christopher Markus ... (screenplay) &
>Stephen McFeely ... (screenplay)
>Don Payne ... (story by) and
>Robert Rodat ... (story by)

That's really not unusual. It's only unusual if the actually credit all of them. WGA rules limit the number of writers who can be credited for each writing category and make it difficult for "production executives" (producers or directors) to get credits, so many contributors to movies go unrecognized.

You do realize that The Dark World went through several rewrites and Yost was added at the last minute right? It's the same shit with Hotel Transylvania where it went through several rewrites and directors until Genndy took the helm.

Even when this film was announced, I needed convincing why it needs to happen, and more and more, I dislike where they are going.

My biggest fear is that it ends up a Disney Channel movie with the high school stuff. I know I shouldn't judge too early, but the cast feels like a curveball just to make this Spider-Man franchise feel different from the past ones.
Not only that, but Vulture as your villain? That's kind of underwhelming in the same universe Falcon is in.
It feels like they're so deadset on fast tracking this film the moment the Spider-Man rights were handed over that they seem to forget the main focus. Keep it simple, just establish Spider-Man. But all I'm seeing is "Let's try to make it be Spider-Man lite"

The point is their shitty script didn't work and they kept piling on more and more people in a desperate attempt to fix it. The movie came out and was obviously a mess.

Spider-Man having more writers than Thor could be indicative of a troubled production.
But then again, this is two studios combining manpower to make the movie, so who knows.

The difference is the number of writers here seems to be their writing team not rewrites, since that's what plagued The Dark World's development and then Yost and someone else were brought on to salvage the "mess" and make a semi-comprehensible plot.

>Spider-Man
David Koepp, who mostly writes for Tom Cruise, wrote Jurassic Park (with Michael Crichton, who was also credited separately as writer of the story, since it was his novel), and Jurassic Park: The Lost World (alone). He also wrote The Shadow, which was widely panned and only praised for the visual effects, Panic Room (widely praised, but not really for the script), Zathura: A Space Adventure (panned), and Indiana Jones and Ayy Lmao. He's also set to write Indy 5.

>Spider-Man 2

Alfred Gough (screen story) & Miles Millar (screen story) and Michael Chabon (screen story).

Alvin Sargent (screenplay).

The way that the credits system works is this: those three guys up top also sat down and wrote the screenplay, but Sargent re-wrote their screenplay in such a way that he contributed all non-story elements (other than characters, which are credited to Lee/Ditko, even though MJ is a Romita co-creation).

>Spider-Man 3

Sam Raimi (screenplay) & Ivan Raimi (screenplay) and Alvin Sargent (screenplay)

Sam Raimi (screen story) & Ivan Raimi (screen story)

Really can't begin to impress upon you how important it is that STORY is not the same credit as SCREENPLAY. These are different credits reflecting different jobs. Yes, they can be done by the same person - but that doesn't make them the same thing. So in fact here there are five writers, or seven if you count Lee/Kirby. Now, you know Venom wasn't created by Kirby, right?

Note Sargent returns.

>TASM

4 credits, including Sargent. Kloves, Vanderbilt and Sargent share credit on the screenplay; Vanderbilt gets an additional story credit.

>TASM2

Kurtzman & Orci (another famous partnership) and Pinkner join Vanderbilt; Kloves and Sargent are gone. There are seven credits shared between the four writers, compared to Homecoming's three shared between six writers (because of the three writing partnerships involved).

Etc etc.

It's normal, but don't let that stop your butt from hurting.

and yet it made almost $700m despite being "unpopular"

Winter soldier had batric, zola, robert redford, crossbones, and winter soldier himself.
Its all in how you utilize the bad guys.

normies know shocker but you dont

Don't....don't do it!

>if netflix and the movie people ever get their shit settled we could have this moment.

>Spidey without webs or a costume until the last episode?
What the fuck are you talking about? DD's primary costume in the first season was something that he actually wore in the comics and he still had super-hearing powers in the show.

so? Zootopia has 7 writer's credit and it turned out great.

higher number of writers =/= quality decrease

One was only for one scene, Robert Redfort was a one note undeveloped character, Crossbones was that but worse and Winter Soldier barely spoke during the whole film.

Great villians!

Its not a great movie, the plot is paper thin.

Is like they just stuffed the movie with humor, like 5 minutes of sloth jokes

One of the most amazing space opera stories that puts Star Wars to shame?

Yeah, it's a real shame Jews created Spider-Man so we could even have this topic in the first place, you fucking troglodyte.

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>three villains
Wait user. Shocker is obviously going to be a bit villain and Tinkerer in the background. There's really only Vulture.

The problem isn't multiple villains, lots of movies have those, it's how they're used

shit bait tbqh