Are American universities easy compared to several European, Asian and Oceanian countries's universities?

Are American universities easy compared to several European, Asian and Oceanian countries's universities?
I've seen a lot of American university students who can't spell or basic math.

god no, Japanese/Chinese universities are by far the easiest but university and university is the only hard part of american education.

All university is retarded. Just read a damn book

I should mention it varies greatly from state schools, we have the hardest schools in the world (MIT, Harvard, etc.)

I remember a SK posters mentioning that American universities are much more harder than universities in SK

There are all kinds of unis here. From total shit to top tier best in the world.

Yeah but I'm talking about normal universities, not elite.

Interesting. I watched a documentary about some kids in Korea who left home at 7am for school and first came back 1am

High schools at least seem to be easy when I've looked at some SAT test

What do you mean "normal"? Public, private, community colleges? What major etc. Probably same in Korea. Can't compare like that.

The Pre-college public education system in the US is basically a glorified daycare.

Just talking about the ones that the normal suburban family goes to. I don't think we have elite unis here because it's free but I know in America people brag about going to Harvard university while no one would brag about going to Aarhus university here

If by “Normal universities” you mean the average state university, those are still typically pretty good.

>Just talking about the ones that the normal suburban family goes to
this doesn't really exist, college is where kids are actually differentiated by skill. most kids apply to at least like 10 different schools and go to the best one they get into.

So if you go to one of the worse universities which I assume cost less, you can still get a degree and get a well paying job or do certain universities have bad reputation?

You can get a degree but not necessarily a well paying job, for example someone with the same major and a 3.0 gpa from university of houston might have a median salary of 40,000/year and from university of texas or texas a&m 90,000/year. It's more that certain universities have an especially good reputation where companies recruit from, and if you go to a not so good university you just won't get connections to good companies. Anything in the top 100 universities is considered pretty elite here, we just have so many universities and especially many great ones, and of course depends on your major. Also the worse universities don't always cost less, it matters more if it's in-state/out-of-state or private. I go to one of the best schools in the country for my major and tuition is 4000$/semester, with my scholarship it's only 1500$/semester since it's an in-state state school. You could go to a shitty private school for like 20,000$/semester and get much less out of it.

In the US high school is easy and university is hard.
In the rest of the world the other way around.

Objectively speaking it is pointless to go to an expensive university with your own money.

What ultimately matters in terms of job prospects is what graduate school you get your degree from.

You can start at a shitty community college for basic credits, but as long as you keep your GPA at a good level you can then get accepted to a real graduate school that is focused towards teaching your major, and if you do impressively there, that’s what matters to employers.

Very informative, thanks

no

What part of his post specifically are you disputing?

>In the US high school is easy and university is hard.
>In the rest of the world the other way around.
no.

no

everything you cunts do education wise is 'easy' compared to Europe

It's that when you graduate your work becomes your life, 9-5 culture is much bigger over here

German universities are a joke. You guys just go to lectures and give bullshit presentations, then herr professor scribbles down some grade on a piece of paper because he wants to get rid of you and get back to his research. When you do a humanities seminar in the US, you read 300-400 pages of primary source + secondary literature per week per class, in Germany nothing.

My university was a joke.

All our exams were online so you can easily google the answers since they came from a test bank.

This they started proctoring them last year to reduce the amount of students who cheat.

I have no respect for those professor who are lazy to make an exam off a test bank.

>let me tell you about your country

What university? I've never had an online test before and it's my 5th year

>let me tell you about your country where I lived and attended university

it depends on what you're studying

You can be a mouth breathing retard and go to a prestigious university if you study liberal arts such as biology. Stuff like Engineering at a state school public university is much harder and has much smarter people.

Universities are glorified gatekeeping. It's for upper class people to meet each other and make connections in their special clubs.

Maybe you shouldn't choose meme majors

I imagine the classes for majors compare pretty well with most world universities but gen eds are a fucking cake walk.

People also have to factor in in state & out of state tuition cost, if its your first year then some force you to live on campus and dorm costs a lot more than off campus housing that you share with 2-4+ people sometimes.

I never understood going out of state for your college, unless its dam good and you get a near full ride scholarship. I had a friend who went to Johns Hopkins even though we live in MA at the time and there were a ton of good universities in college.

Some people just want to "be on their own" & away from parents. Kinda stupid honestly, probably pay $5-10k more just for that stupidity.

a lot of people go to private schools because in-state schools are actually quite competitive with even not prestigious ones turning down 50% of applicants.

>European Universities
No grade curves, 100% exams, you don't pay generally much so basically you don't buy your degree (which University wants to let students fail which pay, right?), 30 credits/semester, not infinite retake classes, need to complete most of your studies in a very limited time frame else you're OUT.

>American Universities
Grade curves, multiple choice, open book, most likely never 100% exams but project works and midterms, paying literally for your degree (so you're basicallly a customer which get treated that way)

I can say that most German Universities already covered in highschool what most Universities in the US are doing in the first 2-3 years of their education.

The only thing Ivy (MIT, Harvard, ...) is good for is research and even then many of these researchers are imported from Europe and Asia.

Oh, I forgot: I believe most US Universities force you to take humanities/gender classes so your degree doesn't contain 100% STEM for example.

Every math major in Germany is 100% math, the same as STEM generally. Makes you not wasting time on pointless classes.

Any university here in Florida.

Do you even understand what a grade curve is? It makes it harder to get a good grade, not easier.

I understand very well. I've heard and experience quite first hand how some fags in a US college got a B just for having 45%~ in the exam.

That's something which would never occur here; hell you don't even pass with that record. Not to mention your Adderall problem in the US.

No you don't understand at all, not that I would expect any thing from someone with a G*rman education. A curve means you are graded against your class. You can get a 45% in an exam and do well, or you can get 99% in an exam and do poorly. In a good school, the latter is usually the case. If you are someone who belongs in the latter, you shouldn't need an explanation as to why.

Unless you are going to Ivy League, "university" in the USA is just an extra few years of high school but you have to go into debt to do it. You can't even make connections at a state school because every person of worth is going to an Ivy.

>No grade curves, 100% exams, you don't pay generally much so basically you don't buy your degree (which University wants to let students fail which pay, right?), 30 credits/semester, not infinite retake classes, need to complete most of your studies in a very limited time frame else you're OUT.
so the only difference is we have grades in labs and sometimes homework and there's a curve in some classes? we also aren't allow to infinite retake, tons of students fail, and you need to take a minimum number of credit hours. universities will fail you because if they didn't, their degree would be worth less, you still pay if you fail so they don't lose any money there. you'll also get kicked out here for bad academic standing.

We do have some of these which is retarded, I can agree on that

unless the test was so hard that everyone got a 50 that will never happen, it's usually based on the bell curve and your grade is based on your standard deviation from the mean. If you got a 94 and the class average was a 95 here you get a C.

University education tends to vary immensely by the institution and major. A lot of wealthy Asians come over here because universities in there only countries are shit and a degree from the US is considered a status symbol. Generally, the most important aspects of an Ivy education are simply the connections and the degree.

>humanities/gender classes
what. no.

You can't compare MIT/Stanford/Harvard vs flyover_state University

Education in this country isn't really education. It's a business. They intentionally kneecap high school and middle school so that you're forced to spend money on college in order to catch up with the rest of the world. Colleges treat you like customers to be extorted, they force you to take a bunch of garbage you don't need in order to pass because you pay more.

For example, go to school in Europe and major in Computer Science. They teach you only the classes you need, which lets you focus your pursuits. Here, though? You have to take a bunch of electives for no reason, and it stretches out your semesters and makes you pay more and focus less on what you're coming for. Thus, the average college grad is more on par with a high honors high school student in every other country. The >American education meme isn't a meme, this is unironically the worst country on the planet when it comes to education.

The harder it is to get into a college, the harder it is (usually). That being said, over 90% of all higher institutes here are easy as hell.

> average college grad is more on par with a high honors high school student
This. I went from AP Chem my senior year to gen chem my college freshman year. It was miles easier than high school.

I think there is a great disparity in Universities here, and I can say from my experience that they can be incredibly challenging (as mentioned by ).

But it also depends on what you are studying, because if you actually enjoy the subject matter what is hard to others can seem really easy to you.

Funnily enough, my experience was the exact opposite. My hardest course for my first couple of semesters were all subjects I had touched on in high school.

>wants to let students fail which pay, right?), 30 credits/semester, not infinite retake classes, need to complete most of your studies in a very limited time frame else you're OUT.
All these things don't apply to Italy, Credits per semester vary wildly, you can infinite retake and you can take as long as you want. Thank you for speaking on my behalf tho.

That's because a lot of posters itt are generalizing based on personal experience/anecdotal evidence. Which just proves the fact that your mileage may vary so one can't talk about "US colleges" in general.

he also spoke on behalf of "most US colleges"
he told all of us about our cunts

I mean there is also so little standardization across institutions, so its hard to compare across private and state-run universities.

I will just take this chance to whine about university.
FUCK i have to pass 5 exams per semester this year, for a total of almost 80 creds, i am fucked and would like to be kileld if possible.

What? 80 credits per semester? Your credits system is different then. Here each class is 2 to 5 credits, and 3 is probably the average. And you can only take 4 to 5 classes per semester, realistically. Some may take 6 but that's just too much.

Amerifat universities are easier to get into, and honestly it's pretty much just a glorified high school. Just look at American "college culture", it's so utterly shitty, or look at the way that some Amerifat unis force you to bunk in a tiny room with another person like a bunch of seven-year-olds, etc. However, if you're willing to pay the money, then the degree is simply worth more than any other. Now, of course people will say things like "internships are more important than what's on your degree", which is true, but that doesn't mean that the degree is totally meaningless (it's a retarded system we live in, unfortunately).

As far as graduate studies go (specifically, the research involved), American unis simply blow Yuro unis out of the water. There isn't even any real competition for the overwhelming majority of fields.

So...why are people get into debt for education if you have trades?

Pretty absurd to get a chain on your legs for 10+ years desu

Everyone nowadays feels entitled to a guaranteed white-collar job with $50k+ starting salary and 3 weeks vacation, with no actual hard work involved. People fail to realize that their lives are not, in fact, destined for any sort of greatness.

no idea desu
I'm only going to school because I'm literally getting paid by the school since my scholarship is 2000$ more than tuition each year

Because trades have a reputation of being mindless dead ends for stupid people, even though they're a better option for 99% of people. Most people think if they get a STEM/law/medical degree they'll get their 100k salary, marry the man/woman of their dreams, own a huge house, and move to somewhere with a climate they like and make lots of friends, as that's what their grandparents go to do. This is why our universities and job market are so predatory, because they know they have all these people by the neck and can force them to work for less and do shitty internships under the promise they'll be just like their boomer grandparents someday.

Of course, those days are over and they will never come back. But Americans are naive. The young people of today haven't experienced a traumatic enough event for them to wisen up. So they'll deal with it and just post memes whining about college debt instead of doing something to change the situation.

Because not everyone wants to go into trades?

If you dont get into top 3 uni in korea, they should consider suicide. But in reality, those top 3 uni are just as easy as community college in USA academically.

asian nations have a focus on primary and secondary education. there's also a societal view that once highschool is done and they have managed to get into their desired universities, its only then they can start to relax and have fun.

Are you being sarcastic or are you going full burger?

Australian universities stick to course content, so there's no meme subjects unless you want to do an elective. They cost a lot, mostly between $20k-$30k for a bachelors degree, but it is automatically paid off when you earn over a certain amount. First year is usually a repeat of highschool, then years 2/3/4 have real uni content/work placements if the course provides it. Every semester you can study a maximum of 4 subjects, unless you do a double degree where I believe it's 5.

ps. the melbourne uni "model" is shit

>They cost a lo
>mostly between $20k-$30k for a bachelors degree

what?

Without scholarships and financial aid, college can cost that much PER SEMESTER here. If you're a white guy with rich parents that refuse to help pay, then you can easily have loans in the hundreds of thousands of dollars range if you go to some big name schools.

if you go to a private school or out of state school then yeah, but scholarships + in state school is usually under 2000$/semester and they basically give out scholarships for anybody who isn't a complete tard

20-30k per semester? what? are you talking about most expensive private schools? stop memeing. bachelor degree in a public school is about same 30+k

maybe harvard or something, I doubt your local college is like that

> who can't spell or basic math.

No you haven't

>Falling for the academic jew

>if you study liberal arts such as biology
How the fuck is that liberal? Biology may be the easiest of the sciences but it is till about facts rather than opinions.

I'm studying Economics and Business here in pizzaland at one of the top private unis of the country. I'm offered the possibility to study in the US during the Stanford Summer Term 2018 for about 2 months, following 2-3 courses. This will end up on my cv and I'll get some kind of certificate if I pass the final exam.
Is this a good idea? How's Stanford reputation in the US/world? I know it's a private and expensive university but that doesn't mean much by itself. Do you guys think it is worth it? It should cost around 9000$ plus plane

My uni was easy as fuck. Was always shit at school but from uni graduated with top grades. Maybe because I found the subject matter interesting, I dunno. Just read a lot.

No i said 80 total, 40 per semester. Here exams are usually 8 creds, but swing a lot from 5 to 12 credits. They say one cred equals 25 hours of work out of school. But of course this depends. I don't know how to compare the two credits system, but usually people take 30 credits per semester here too.

>ps. the melbourne uni "model" is shit

Breadth is shit but the model itself is good. Having highly specialised undergraduate degrees is stupid. If you apply for a job overseas with one of those, they will simply laugh. The "melbourne model" is hardly unique either; it's what oxford and harvard use.

plus we're ranked #1 in the country (or #2 if you look at meme rankings)

summer term courses are cashgrabs taught by graduate students/ professors who don't research.
Stanford is better than all the universities in Italy combined.

>How's Stanford reputation in the US/world?
Very good, we hear of stanford as that university it's hard to get into from movies. I don't know if that will actually be worth it or be benificial at all, but having "did shit at stanford" in your resume will sure as fuck sound good.

I see graduates from USA and Canada, who have a degree in computer science or something similar and have no idea about basic CS.

>computer architecture (patterson & hennessy)?
>any other programming language than C++ or python?
>higher math, like multi-dimensional calculus or stochastics?
Nope, nope, nope.

But what they know is how to optimize disk search algorithms. Seems they never did anything else after the basic programming courses.

What. The. Fuck.
But their universities are all doing well in ranking.

That's what I thought, but still would look good on my cv
Yeah that was the idea. I don't think I'll learn something incredibly revolutionary but I met one of their professors and he was really good.

There was a list of the best universities and they had one of the criterias being how well perceived are the unis by people. You can probably dig it up or some other similar list.

well did you ask them what university they went to? there's a big difference between MIT and some bumfuck community college

American here. If our universities are easy fuck me then other countries must produce geniuses every hour of every day.

As you can imagine, not everybody attended MIT.

I did not recognize the universities, even though they were in major cities of the USA and Canada.

However, they also paid a metric fuckton of money each year for their useless degree.
I just don't get it.

ITT: europoors and sour grapes

Just talking from a professional point of view here.
I studied at the TU Graz and North-American graduates here are a joke. I get along with them, but professionally they are a joke.
Seems that major companies like Microsoft, Facebook and what not are ordering their graduate robots straight from university. Maybe that's the reason they have no broad technical education.

Ah yes, the old "Americans suck at everything and are dumb" trope.

Then tell me knower-of-all-things, why are we so fucking good at everything if we suck at everything?

>Then tell me knower-of-all-things, why are we so fucking good at everything if we suck at everything?

Good question.

>why are we so fucking good at everything if we suck at everything?

Don't America import a lot of talent to their unis from Europe and Asia?

Yeah I'll have to look that up