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Doncho Novic, bitch?

bit melancholic lads

islam is much better than Christianity
but not perfect
buddhists are a joke

too bad paganism is also kind of a meme and didn't survive very well

After decades of scientific research and genetic experiments I have concluded that Anglos are, in fact, not white.

fuck off amerilard christianity is perfect

better in what way? I really think as a baseline, christianity is better than islam, but they mostly depend on what a society ends up doing with them

fuck anglos tobequitehonestwithyou

>but they mostly depend on what a society ends up doing with them
Islam is literal shit. You can spice it up any way you like but at the end of the day all you have is still just a pile of shit

xianity has very poor self preservation

>very poor self preservation
its a two thousand year old fatih you retard

t. lives on a planet ruled by Christian societies

how do we stop the anglo menace lads?
we need to eradicate these filthy animals

very unbiased summary

i understand what you're getting at but part of that is also due to how each society chooses to interpret it and apply it. it isn't like medieval christians could be said to have poor self-preservation. even byzantium kept getting hammered from the east forever and the atlantic part of europe ended up dominating most of the globe

neither due to "christian" reasons of course lol

>Christian societies
god bless you if you really believe this

anglos are the sub-master race, only jews can eradicate them

>implying there is a difference between anglos and jews

Diaspora shiptar has been saying he's a catholic but he's a kebab through and through.

>god bless you if you really believe this
That's not a question of belief. The societies Im talking were Christian in their beginning and hence continue to be influenced by that dogma in every underlying way, the values ingrained in these societies that have allowed them to prosper are founded on Christian values.

*Im talking about

i really really try not to hate albanians but every single albanian i have ever met wihout exception has been scum

maybe because you don't actually live in greece, g*rmanoid traitor

which values specifically? it isn't like Europe doesn't have enough variety in it. plus is modern Russia a good example of a "Christian society"?

really? so your average western roastie fucking half a dozen dudes by 21 (not even making this shit up, one of the greeks has the pic) and aborting half their pregnancies is representative of these Christian values?

if i wasn't a Christian myself i wouldn't be so disillusioned, the faith utterly failed in deflecting the tidal wave of social degradation in the last odd half century

>maybe because you don't actually live in greece, g*rmanoid traitor
i may be a traitor but im not a germanoid

tho as someone said earlier the societies themselves are probably more guilty than the faith itself, but I think xianity shares some guilt too

both me and malesore are christians lol
he's actually Christian too, not just in name

You're not deceiving anyone Suleimani.

I personally don't like many "Christian values" anyway. I particularly don't like what really trying to adhere to some "Islamic values" gives you as a result, either, most of the time

abortion is an ethically contentious matter from a secular perspective too, of course, (I don't find casual sex a moral failing personally, on the other hand, since I'm not some sort of christian functionalist) it's just that most of us aren't ethically perfect humans

I think the modern democratic-liberal west allows human flourishing the most for good reasons. autonomy is good as far as I'm concerned

literally 3 crosses in my room right now and a Mary portrait in the hall

I wasnt clear enough.
What Im trying to tell you is that the psycho-societal framework within which these societies function is itself founded upon Christian thought. This framework still permeates every single aspect of these societies regardless of the superficial rules one might rigidly equate to the religion.
This is why Islamic societies have failed to keep up with the their Christian counterparts. Their foundation itself is inferior.

no, I got your overall point. I just didn't find it entirely convincing though I can grant you that it had some important influence.

>This is why Islamic societies have failed to keep up with the their Christian counterparts. Their foundation itself is inferior.

there are many other factors, including simply genetics (which might have actually been shaped by christianity and islam too - marriage patterns etc.). swap religions in europe historically and the middle east and the end result might be similar to what we have now

agree on democratic liberal west being the #1 human society
but losing traditional social norms was a huge loss for Europe

have you ever been to a major western metropolis? the social degradation is so obvious and rampant that it's really just sad

>32 posts by 5 posters
MAŞALLAH
/balk/ is for serious disgussions :~~DD

>, including simply genetics (which might have actually been shaped by christianity and islam too - marriage patterns etc.).
Arabs and Jews are both Semites. Yet if you compare Jewish inventiveness vs Arabic the Arabs fall flat on their face.
> swap religions in europe historically and the middle east and the end result might be similar to what we have now
Islam is in many ways by its very nature extremely anti-science and regressive.

anglos are in fact the 2nd highest achieving race. 1st is jews

the modern world seems to be very alienating in some ways in general. traditional societies definitely had some pluses in that area, rampant individualism gives you the usa vs the uk, their closest european counterpart which is still much more collectivist. huge highs, huge lows comparatively. it can be pretty fucked up at times, degradation is right even though i don't like other aspects of traditional societies

Ashkenazi Jews are about half European genetically (mostly southern but other influences too) and they have been selected for higher intelligence due to the social space they occupied in the middle ages. not the best comparison

>by its very nature

so is Christianity in some ways (in others it's quite pro-science), but they both ended up developing important scientific traditions. actually European science is unthinkable without its Islamic roots. it might have developed independently somehow but it didn't in the timeline we occupy

that's only in the modern era tho, islam until 1260s was way more progressive than europe (exceptions to the rule as always, like Almohads)

even afterwards empires like the Ottomans consisted themselves caliphates but they were still very progressive and tolerant

when your cunt invaded Afghanistan in the 80s is when international terrorism really blew up

>Ashkenazi Jews are about half European genetically (mostly southern but other influences too)
Much less. Also this interbreeding with Europeans is a fairly recent phenomenon. Jews in Europe always lived in tight-knit enclosed societies before that. It isnt the genetic European influence that sets them apart form Arabs but the cultural.
Think of the pre-Islamic empires in Ancient Mesopotamia and how much they achieved before the advent of Islam. That alone goes to show that genetics isnt the deciding factor here.
>so is Christianity in some ways (in others it's quite pro-science)
Sure. But Christianity is fundamentally different. Even before al-Ghazali tier clerics Islam was already anti-science in its nature. The very fact that Muslims think of the Quran as the direct word of God and the subsequent effects of the message therein stifle a tradition of inquisitiveness and lateral thinking that has prospered so well in the Christian world.
>actually European science is unthinkable without its Islamic roots.
This is a false evaluation. While the Islamic Golden age did help retain and later spread the works of Classical Greek philosophers and thinkers through their vast network of trade and scholarly tradition, it was not in fact as large of a scientific contributor in and of itself as many believe. Even the man who "invented" algebra was an Uzbek scholar who merely transferred knowledge form India.
>when your cunt invaded Afghanistan in the 80s is when international terrorism really blew up
Yes well, we can thank our American friends for that. But there's a reason why they were so successful. Islam, in spite of seemingly being rigid and unyielding in its dogma is easily manipulated just like its adherents. This in fact stems from its very rigidity itself and being unaccommodating to critical thinking.

also forsorry for that, a bit tired

>Also this interbreeding with Europeans is a fairly recent phenomenon

if by recent you mean late antiquity - medieval times sure. because more recently, Ashkenazi Jews didn't live in Southern Europe yet most of their European ancestry seems Southern European for the time being. there's a reason Askhenazi Jews cluster with Aegean islanders and not Lebanese Christians or Samaritans. either way, Ashkenazi IQ goes beyond European IQ as well, it's selection

>Think of the pre-Islamic empires in Ancient Mesopotamia and how much they achieved before the advent of Islam

the Islamic societies of the Middle East achieved plenty too

>This is a false evaluation. While the Islamic Golden age did help retain and later spread the works of Classical Greek philosophers and thinkers through their vast network of trade and scholarly tradition, it was not in fact as large of a scientific contributor in and of itself as many believe. Even the man who "invented" algebra was an Uzbek scholar who merely transferred knowledge form India.

that's just untrue, the Islamic world innovated a lot and when you compare Islamic and Indian mathematics, you can see the clear differences (and even then, Indian mathematics was influenced by Babylonian and Greek mathematics, guess that makes it worthless). al-Khwarizmi wasn't "Uzbek" btw, he was Khorasmian (Eastern Iranic). the Turkification of the area is later

you niggers should be sleeping by now

Wow...that is a handsome painting of a handsome balkan male. Is it about turks?

>you can see the clear differences (and even then, Indian mathematics was influenced by Babylonian and Greek mathematics, guess that makes it worthless).
Indian algebra predates both by far and served as the foundation and body for Arabic algebra.
> al-Khwarizmi wasn't "Uzbek" btw, he was Khorasmian (Eastern Iranic).
I meant that he was from the area of what is now known as Uzbekistan
>the Islamic world innovated a lot
Not really.
> Ashkenazi Jews didn't live in Southern Europe yet most of their European ancestry seems Southern European for the time being
The Ashkenazi-Levant group is very close to each other.
>Ashkenazi IQ goes beyond European IQ as well, it's selection
I wasnt talking about IQ exactly since that can be influenced by all sorts of factors and isn't entirely genetic. Also I'm not denying that that there is a genetic element present but Im just saying that it's not the decisive element and it's not influential enough to account for the massive disparity in scientific contribution. This is caused by the psycho-societal context and mindsets inherent in the different societies.
Besides the Islam that allowed this work to be carried out is gone now since the religion has changed drastically over time in that regard. So once again the fact that they were able to gather knowledge and even innovate a bit at the time but cant now goes to show the impact the religion and its values have on scientific progress

Alright Im off to bed now pham

>Indian algebra predates both by far

I wasn't talking about algebra but you should read some Plofker because you're sounding weird. also Islamic mathematics didn't end up following Indian prototypes for the most part for a reason

>The Ashkenazi-Levant group is very close to each other.

Ashkenazi Jews are even closer to Europe than Cypriots are despite originating east of them. get it?

>Not really.

they took our knowledge one step further, anything other than that is kinda subjective I guess

>I wasnt talking about IQ exactly since that can be influenced by all sorts of factors and isn't entirely genetic

given adequate nutrition, its heritability is up to 80%. culture can cultivate talents though, that's true

shit, missed the last sentence. good night (morning)

Which "south slavic" culture should I play in my next ck2 game?

Bump!

Bulgarian

It's battle of Kosovo, look it up, my homo friend

good lad

good morning, fine gentlemen

>Teзи дaнни - зa бългapитe зaд гpaницa, ca нeщo кaтo cвeтaя cвeтих. Maкap и нeoбявeнo, тe фaктичecки ca зaceкpeтeни дopи пoвeчe и oт пaпкитe в ДAHC c гpиф - caмo в eдин eкзeмпляp. Heoфициaлнo ce знae, чe гoдишнo в тaзи бpoйкa влизaт oкoлo 10 000-11 000 бългapчeтa.

>Paвнocмeткaтa e, чe нaй-вepoятнo Бългapия гoдишнo ce cдoбивa c oкoлo 46 000-50 000 дeцa. Кoeтo e дaлeчe пo-мaлкo oт oфициaлнo oбявявaнитe.

NIGERIA WITH FUCKING SNOOOW

Why was Albania not co-opted into Yugoslavia? Kosovo was already a part, and Albania wouldn't have put much of a fight anyway.

It's pretty crazy that Romanians speak a Romance language despite being separated from Italy by the Balkans. How popular is Roman history and culture in Romania?

Ethnically, are Romanians Slavs or are they a different people?

Romanians are Dacians who spoke Slav but then decide to larp as latinos.

Dacians and Thracians are basically ancient ancestors of the Slavs (and Bulgars), right? Is there a difference in haplogroups when you compare Slavs, Bulgars and Romanians?

Yes, we are Thracians. Romanians are (genetically) our cousins. The difference is just in the shade of our swart skins.

here is angel dark, a Slovak porn-actress
she is a typical Dacian... this type of face is popular in parts of Romania, Hungary and Slovaka

>Why was Albania not co-opted into Yugoslavia? Kosovo was already a part, and Albania wouldn't have put much of a fight anyway.
i suppose the victors of ww2 decided to keep the post ww1 borders(more or less)

>It's pretty crazy that Romanians speak a Romance language despite being separated from Italy by the Balkans.
yeah i agree

>Ethnically, are Romanians Slavs or are they a different people?
Romanians speak a Romance language, but they have a LOT of slavic words, before the 19th century they had more slavic words than latin words, but they replaced a lot of their slav and turk vocabulary with italian and french words, so now it's more latin than slavic. However the important "core" words of the language were always latin, like father, mother, bread, house, etc. sort of like english, english is more latin than germanic but it's core vocabulary is germanic

>be french nigger
>fight over nutella
can't make this shit up

I see, thanks. I have some questions about Macedonia as well.

How does Macedonia view Bulgaria and Serbia. While Serbia (and Yugoslavia) recognized Macedonia as a separate nation, the Bulgarians considered Macedonia a Bulgar region that spoke Bulgarian. How does this effect foreign relations/popular opinon with both Macedonia and Serbia?

Given that there is a Macedonian region in Greece as well that has both Macedonian Slavs and Macedonian Greeks, what sort of relationship do you have with them? I mean, do you know of any Macedonian Greek-Slav marriages, or do people go to Greek Macedonia as tourists?

Basically what sort of cultural and societal relationship do you have with Greek Macedonia?

first for 3D people kino

>How does Macedonia view Bulgaria and Serbia. While Serbia (and Yugoslavia) recognized Macedonia as a separate nation, the Bulgarians considered Macedonia a Bulgar region that spoke Bulgarian. How does this effect foreign relations/popular opinon with both Macedonia and Serbia?
Depends, there are people on both sides who spew hatred, but most normies don't care about politics and are friendly with eachother. On a state level there is trouble with Serbia because they claim our church as theirs and wont recougnize it as independent from theirs. With Bulgaria there was trouble when it comes to history and the language, but it was resolved recently, and now, on a state level, Bulgaria and Macedonia are BFF's

>Given that there is a Macedonian region in Greece as well that has both Macedonian Slavs and Macedonian Greeks, what sort of relationship do you have with them? I mean, do you know of any Macedonian Greek-Slav marriages,
i don't know any people from greece, i have a friend who lives in corfu and has a greek gf but that's it, he's not even my friend he's just the cousin of my friend

> or do people go to Greek Macedonia as tourists?
yes, all the time

>Basically what sort of cultural and societal relationship do you have with Greek Macedonia?
most greeks go to macedonia to gamble and to shop and most macedonians go to thesaloniki for vacation and shopping

Are you stalking me, how did you know I just got up?

Thank you for answering those questions.

> On a state level there is trouble with Serbia because they claim our church as theirs
Sorry, please explain to a filthy pagan how this matters. I mean, Serbia has the Serbian Orthodox Church, but how can it interfere with the Church of another country? I mean, if a Macedonian or a Montenegrin church decided to elect their own patriarch, it's not like Serbia can send police over to arrest him. So, why should Macedonia care about Serbian opinion when it can't directly do anything?

>Bulgaria and Macedonia are BFF's
Really? I thought the Macedonian government was very Bulgarophobic with people with pro-Bulgaria leanings even getting arrested?

>Also, doesn't Bulgaria make Macedonian citizens sign a document saying Macedonians are basically Bulgars if they want to immigrate?

No, I can just sense you very well.

>tranlo """coincidentally""" here at the same time as bullyfag
>knows it looks staged as fuck because i call him out all the time
>tries to make it look like a freak accident
as if i'll believe it mayt

>Sorry, please explain...
it's all politics

>Really? I thought the Macedonian government was very Bulgarophobic with people with pro-Bulgaria leanings even getting arrested?
the current governments are bff's

balkaninsight.com/en/article/macedonia-approves-landmark-friendship-treaty-with-bulgaria-01-15-2018
balkaninsight.com/en/article/bulgarian-mps-greenlight-friendship-treaty-with-macedonia-01-18-2018
reuters.com/article/us-bulgaria-macedonia-church/bulgarian-macedonian-orthodox-churches-edge-closer-despite-thorny-history-idUSKBN1DR1YN

>>Also, doesn't Bulgaria make Macedonian citizens sign a document saying Macedonians are basically Bulgars if they want to immigrate?
no, that's for granting citizenship, ethnic Bulgarians outside Bulgaria are allowed to get Bulgarian citizenship

I see, thanks.

Is this the white man's final form?

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tfw the tranlo doesn't exist and it's just my schizophrenia flaring up

Go away autist

I like going to /lgbt/ and rating people's photos on how well they pass as the other gender. It's comfy

what the fuck

>wake up
>this happens
wat do

Get out

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how can u hate trannies, they're so adorabuw :3

Hope that our timelines aren't 3 years apart and that I haven't died from a comet

>3:50

Do you post on other boards?

Did you know that native Americans were actually Albanian?
Watch the Gxhreatest Sxjhjory Ejver Toldj

Get out

/lgbt/ and sometimes Sup Forums
You?

back to /slav-useful-idiots/ with you, melez

reminds me this
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Yeah but not those two. I'm just thinking of a way we can "Get out"

stay here to trigger the half-asiatic subhuman
he can't do anything to you, he can just chimp out in his cage while i throw bread and salt at him

reminder that FAGGOTS are going to HELL

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It's not my intent to trigger people desu

>i will destroy /balk/
fucking faggot stop lyin'

>god makes you in his own image
>lole i made u a faggot just to have u burn in hell xd
>this is what theists actually believe

Is there even such a board where we can "get out" to?
I said that, not him, dumbo

...

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he gave you free will, you chose to suck dicks

we can literally go to any other thread or board

he gave you free will, and you chose to steal our language and culture

thou shalt not steal, fyromistani

>surgery
abomination

if you're gonna be a tranlo at lest keep your penis, dont fucking mutilate yourself

Long time no see, frenlos. How was your week?

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