Who is worse?

Who is worse?

I would say Dr.Venture, BoJack at least has epiphany's from time to time and comes to terms with most of his problems.


God these two having a conversation is something I'd love to see.

BoJack
>does shitty things and then feels bad for himself and then blames his parents

Dr.Venture
>almost died several times in his life being forced onto suicide adventures with his dad and friends
>grew up a failure but manages to look clean to the public because he's living off his fathers legacy and whatever inventions he may or may not have finished in the basement

eh, i guess BoJack

I wanna say Bojack since it seems like Doc has been learning although very slowly...

He seems to have been getting better in general since he decided to get rid of the back up clones for his sons.

He's a weird thought. The Cuddly Whiskers arc kind of played a similar role as the Dr Killinger episode in Venture Bros. Both Bojack and Rusty were told that if they want to be happy they should stop pretending that they're good people and stop caring about their responsibilities, and both of them choose to ignore this advice and ultimately go on to cause more harm to themselves and others as a result.

Here's

Dr. Venture has killed multiple people, some of them more innocent than others.

Bojack only killed one.

Bojack. Mostly because the narrative setting is nihilistic and it's just misery porn at some points.

Venture does actually show some happiness in his work and does refuse to give up. He does get help even if he doesn't address the problem. His world is crazy as shit and is more traumatized by his globe trotting adventures of his youth. He also is more responsible like wanting to raise his bastard.

Also, both Cuddly Whiskers and Killinger have amazingly sexy voices.

When has Bojack ever actually done anything bad?
as far as I know, all of his "shittty actions" are
1. encouraging someone else to participate in vice, which THEY DECIDE to do
2. having sex with CONSENTING ADULTS his friends don't want him to fuck

Bojack. Doc is amoral and a little neglectful but deep down he is really a good person. He genuinely cares for his friends and family, but his EXTREMELY traumatic past has damaged him to an almost irreparable extent. Last season he really began trying to tun himself around.

Bojack is an asshole who makes everyone around him miserable. I haven't watched season 2 or 3, but that shit he pulled on Todd was such a massive dick move. He has his moments, but over all he is much more of a dick and just can't get past his self pity.

>he decided to get rid of the back up clones for his sons.
calling it a decision is a stretch, he was desperate and use them in a stupid plan, one could say that he decide to not make more but is note like he is going to race babies at his age.

>I haven't watched season 2 or 3
Get on that

Bojack doesn't really change in season 2 or 3. He does the same shit and except he's a little more apologetic for it

I tried watching venture bros from the start because I liked some of the episodes I saw on adult swim. But it was fucking abysmal.
When does it get good?

Season 2

Doc has been responsible for the deaths of a lot of people and doesn't care.

Need to throw clay puppington in there for the unholy trifecta of bad decision makers.

>tfw this exact fucking question popped into my head today at work

They're both awful and trying their best to be better but when Bojack fucks up he fucks up hard and ends up dragging people down with him. Whenever Doc fucks up people are quick to call him out on it and if he ignores them it's normally just Doc that gets fucked over.

It's really a tie, but I'll give it to Rusty.

I meant Bojack.

What happened to his stomach?

I'd say Bojack, not by much though.

Why don't you just watch it and make that judgement for yourself instead of parroting

As opposed to who is worse, who is more likely to turn their life around and who do you want more to do it?

Jury's out on who's more likely to do it but I definitely want Rusty to finally fix himself and be happy somehow, shit's been so unfairly stacked against him in life that even when he fucks up I just end up feeling sorry for him.

>They're both awful and trying their best to be better

I disagree. I think Todd was right at the end of Season 3: Bojack doesn't really try to be better. He fucks up, makes a lot of noise about how he's sad and a bad person and needs to stop, and then just does it again.

Rusty, on the other hand, is also a fuck up but he genuinely seems to want to be a better person.

I don't watch Venture Bros but you're way oversimplifying the abuse Bojack experienced from his parents. His mother literally tried to drown him

>Bojack doesn't really try to be better. He fucks up, makes a lot of noise about how he's sad and a bad person and needs to stop, and then just does it again.

That's how the show works, you see him fuck up over the course of a season, eventually it explodes and he has a heartfelt moment and tries to start to improve himself only to fall in the hole again next season. He's stuck in a loop. It was pretty obvious by the end of the second season.

Bojack.
Thaddeus has been getting better, or at least not as bad as he was. Bojack is gonna be the same no matter what.

He had a staph infection in the 90s that got pretty serious, to the point he nearly died. He had to be hospitalized and get surgery.

Doctor Venture has been shown to make the right decision when everything goes to hell. Bojack will always make the wrong decision.

Not that user, but it's not about over simplification, it's that Rusty's past was really just that bad that Bojack's doesn't really compare.

I just started BoJack, and holy shit he's horrible. Also is BoJack closet gay?

Does he ever learn?

>I just started BoJack
Keep watching.

>Also is BoJack closet gay?
Probably not.

>Also is BoJack closet gay?

What would make you think that?

No but that would have not stopped him from trying to be one if that could make his life less shitty

Not sure, I just got to the episode with his ex-friend dying of cancer and the flash back of them making out. Outside of that he doesnt seem to have any stable relationship obviously but also it feels like he tries to have sex with woman as much as possible to prove to someone, anyone, something; what that is, I still don't know but one thought was the flash back of this episode.

>His mother literally tried to drown him

When he was 22.

>Also is BoJack closet gay?

No. He just has a facination with and a subconscious hatred for powerful and intelligent women because they remind him of his mother. So he pursues them romantically and sexually before emotinally abusing them.

Oh no. That psycho is on a completely different level of awful.

Wow. I wish came to that same conclusion. Well I guess that's why I probably don't have a high IQ.

I always assumed it was because he was trying to fulfill a hole because of how empty his life is and slept around with anything with tits and ass. Granted I'm only on the first Season and only one flash back of his mother so far.

Plus he doesn't play the same role as Rusty and Bojack who are the "children", he's a "parent" as weird as that might sound as far as power dynamics and roles go.

So if you were to compare him he'd have to go in a category with Jonas Venture, Mallory Archer, Bojack's mom and others of that sort.

That was someone else. I've got it on my list, but I just haven't gotten around to it.

Venture at least cares for his sons somewhat

Cuddlywhiskers was about how you shouldn't depend on personal accolades to bring you happiness. Nor will finding a mountain to die on (as Diane so often attempts to do in Hollywoo, Cordovia, and a Diner that dares to serve its thirsty customers water during a drought) guarantee that your life will be given meaning. Cuddlywhiskers did both (attained allt hose awards and tried to create a maverick television program and made it extreme for the sake of being extreme in an attempt to be 'artistic') and he wound up feeling hollow because he was hoping they'd remedy his personal disatisfaction towards himself.

You have to be happy and okay with yourself first. That doesn't mean you should neglect and abuse the people around you for your own personal gain as Bojack and Diane interpret his words.

Killinger has always been about bringing out the worst in people. Monarch becomes infinitely more vile towards his enemies and his wife after Killinger helps him out when he started the series as a much more sympathetic character. He tried to bring Rusty and Myra back together again, another bad idea. And he turned a bunch of indecisive scoundrels into a more coherent and brutal organization; first with the new Revenge Society followed by the New Guild.

Rusty is made slightly better by The Doctor is Sin. For a very long time, in spite of his cynicism, he had very simple ideas about Good and Evil. He thinks, "So long as I don't go full bwahahaha megalomaniac, I'm one of the good guys. I'm not that bad." But Killinger made him realize that he's almost that bad, he is on the cusp of it, and slides quite easily into the role of the very sort of people he fought against during his youth alongside his father.

Not that this isn't something that people have figured out a thousand times over but I find it interesting that this is becoming an archtype in western animation, the super put upon and traumatized by his parents/other shit protagonist.

I mean just off the top of my head we've got:

Rusty
Bojack
Orel
Morty
Archer

I'm sure this says something about western animation as a whole or their sensibilities but fuck if I know what it is.

within a given episode, the kids of South Park easily qualify, though it never sticks.

That's a hard one but I'd say... bojack is worse

dr ventures self-loathing and depression really only effects himself, of course his kids suffer because of it but not nearly as much as the people who bojack surrounds himself with

>but his negligence has caused the deaths of

hank and dean over a dozen times!
and he's also brought them back just as many times

dr venture also never wanted to be famous but was thrown into it by his father but bojack, even after dealing with his mother putting him through hell to be in the entertainment industry, still went to hollywoo and became a star

venture sr just like bojacks parents treated his kid like shit but the difference is that dr venture doesn't treat hank and dean like shit but bojack not only infected Sarah lynn with his bullshit but treats everyone around him like garbage

>but dr venture treats everyone like shit?!

it's more that he just doesn't care, there's kinda a difference, not much but still

i feel sorrier for bojack than i do for dr venture though

this wasn't an easy choice but i feel i've made the right one
especially considering bojack will have more seasons of vb by the time season 7 comes out... so fuck bojack even though i love bojack

they live in different worlds though, dr venture has to kill to survive
and bojack never killed anyone bojack did

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I think it's a mistake to assume that Killinger is intentionally altering the morals of his projects. Everything he does seems focused on making them more competent; it's just that the projects he chooses tend to be evil. Yeah he tells Rusty to arch his brother and become a full-fledged villain, but he seems to be working from the assumption that Rusty is already villainous, just not living up to his potential.

Why hasn't he tried to have sex with her yet?

Bojack

we haven't seen bojack be a shitty father

yet

>implying
t. That's too much man