>When I come in, what I say is, “Look. First of all, you’re asking me if I’m interested in this franchise. I am. I love this franchise. I’ve loved it since I was a kid. But here’s the way in which I’m interested in it. And if you’re not interested in it in that way, then that’s totally fine.” And the good news was, they said, “Yeah, we’re really interested in that way.” And I remember this on Dawn, too. There would be moments where I came in for a pitch that was a certain version of the movie, and somewhere along the way, because they didn’t know me or whatever it was, they’d say, “Why don’t we do this?” And I would just simply say, “But that’s not the movie that we talked about. That’s not the movie I want to do.” And I have to say that they always backed down when it came down to that. And it’s kind of the way that I’ve always done it. And here’s the thing: I’m always happy not to do something. I’m usually looking for the reason to say no.
Are we ready for the Batman movie we finally deserve?
Why are DC directors so ballsy compared to Marvel?
Parker Reyes
I guarantee you wb will do something to fuck it up everyone is against benny boy
Christian Morris
Yea just like Captain America is a "political thriller" and Ant Man is a "heist film" and Doctor Strange is "psychedelic" and Spider-Man is a "John Hughes teen drama"
Capeshit is capeshit.
Lincoln Robinson
battits
Gavin Davis
That's just Marvelshit though. The last time Marvel had an actual director was IM1 in 08.
Hudson Ward
Reeves is literally a tv director tho
Samuel Watson
because DC is desperate. There's always some yes-man waiting in the hall to direct the next marvel movie when a good director drops out. DC are still trying to figure out their model, whilst Marvel operates like a TV show with directors being more like guest directors on a TV show than how they usually operate on movies.
Ethan Rogers
How is letting a director do his job desperate? Sounds more like Marvel is desperate by putting zero creative effort into their films.
Leo Ross
oh i agree, i'm just saying in the grand modern scheme of franchise movie making, the director is a yes man, but DC, desperate for a hit, to get a machine running as efficiently as marvel have, opt for 'you tell us' men. Which IS what I believe a director ought to be, it should just be understood that in this case it's being made it seems out of necessity rather than any great reverence for what a director BRINGS to a project.
Mason Perry
Money isn't a factor
Hunter Thomas
For you
Luis Williams
But Wonder Woman has already got a machine running.
Camden Reyes
>How is letting a director do his job desperate? Because WB doesn't know wtf they're doing with the DC movies.
This is why Wonder Woman was amazing, but Man of Steel and BvS is melodramatic shit and Sinister Squad was a Frankenstein of loosely thrown together scenes. Because they're just taking shots in the fucking dark to get something good.
Liam Cruz
>melodramatic shit For the last time, stop using words you don't understand Sanjeev. Google Translate isn't perfect.
Liam Watson
>The last time Marvel had an actual director was IM1 in 08. I don't even like Gunn but he's a director with his own voice, and it shows in GOTG.
I fear that Snyder Justice league will be weak and kill the hype for Aquaman and Batman.
Aaron Bailey
Superman going through the pathos of not being able to stop his heart attack would be even worse, and from a story-telling perspective, it doesn't even really teach the character anything. It reminds the *audience* that he's not a god, not him.
From that perspective, a heart attack death is truly empty, because a man who can literally hear the heartbeats of people in the next county would have been living with the reality and inevitability of death his entire life.
Jackson Sullivan
I hope his vision is a standalone Batman with no DC Universe crap
Ffs, the cast is there and all, Affleck, Irons and JK to have a great solo Batman
Brandon Myers
>From that perspective, a heart attack death is truly empty, because a man who can literally hear the heartbeats of people in the next county would have been living with the reality and inevitability of death his entire life.
Superman returns explored this idea way better.
Christopher Bell
Guardians.
Wyatt Peterson
Nothing of what you say makes sense at all.
Logan Miller
I hope at least Wonder Woman make a cameo rescuing him from something or whatever.
Kayden Cook
"Sinister Squad"
Noah Jones
Gunn is fucking garbage and even his films are extensively focus tested.
Nicholas Diaz
>But here’s the way in which I’m interested in it. And if you’re not interested in it in that way, then that’s totally fine.” Alpha just like Zack. It's gonna be kino.
Grayson Barnes
You have to be a full retard to think "Stop my invincible son" and saving a bus full of children resulting in a scene of brooding nonsense isn't total melodrama.
Also the constant biblical allusions/imagery that serve no real purpose other than to add emotional weight to scenes that are otherwise a waste of the audience's time.
Suicide Squad, fucked it up with that Sony non-movie, Sinister Six or whatever the hell that garbage was going to be.
Considering that Afflect was the only good thing in BvS, there's definitely hope.
Cooper Wood
That's not melodrama. This is embarrassing. You are embarrassing.
Ryder Jones
>Alpha just like Zack. It's gonna be kino.
alphas daughters don't commit suicide
Ethan Hernandez
is Batman one of those heroes that are guaranteed to produce great movies/performances?
Adrian Rodriguez
Pretty much, even when his comics, cartoons and movies aren't that great they at least have tons of redeeming factors and over time gain a cult status.
Chase Perez
>That's not melodrama. This is embarrassing. You are embarrassing. The only thing embarrassing is someone cherishing trash like it's gold.
Considering that Superman is a paper-thin character with virtually no character development, whose scenes consist entirely of somber whispering or loud yelling, almost always set with a backdrop of some biblical implication to add weight to his actions, he's a completely melodramatic character, almost a textbook definition of melodramatic.
Asher Howard
Imagine being this illiterate and mad at the same time.
Cooper Kelly
>Alpha just like Zack. Have you ever heard Zack speak? That's not an Alpha at all.
Angel Howard
What about all the race mixing in the new spiderman? "Races dont exist, ...as long as its whites being mixed!!"
Julian Kelly
I don't like Batffleck in BvS but with the right direction he can be a great Batman.
Ryder Barnes
L O L Just like they respected the vision of the guy doing Suicide Reddit
Alright, I get it, you don't actually know what melodrama means. Way to get triggered over a pair of shit movies.
Evan Brown
There were glimpses of a great Batman in BvS. Affleck's portrayal was great, but the script made some doubtful choices that didn't really pay off. With a strong script, I think he can be the best live action Batman yet. I thought he was the only one that was just as good as Batman as he was as Bruce.
Aaron Sullivan
I like MoS but what you said is so fucking retarded.
Gavin James
>Superman going through the pathos of not being able to stop his heart attack would be even worse No.
The heart attack gave Superman perspective and created a situation that was believable and a part of life. It allowed the audience to relate to him, as even Superman was capable of losing someone. The STOP MY INVINCIBLE SON scene was fucking full-blown retarded.
Anyone that's lost their father would know damn well that they would do anything to keep their dad alive. Standing there and watching the man that raised you get killed when you had all the power to stop it, but you simply didn't, is fucking retarded on every single level.
That scene was offensively stupid.
Ian Wilson
>The heart attack gave Superman perspective and created a situation that was believable and a part of life. It allowed the audience to relate to him, as even Superman was capable of losing someone.
In a movie meant to show that after that traumatizing experience Superman decided he'd never let anyone else die because he has the power to stop everything bad from ever happening, even if he has to go back in time to do it.
So none of that fits MoS narrative.
Ryder Gutierrez
>That scene was offensively stupid. Not to mention he dies to save the fucking dog, and Clark just stands there doing nothing. It would've been so much easier to make that scene more reasonable, like having Pa Kent helping some kid or something like that, and have Clark helping someone else at the same time or whatever. How the fuck did anybody think that having Superman standing there, watching his dad dying for saving his fucking dog was a good idea?
Wyatt Harris
Well, yeah, because the MoS narrative was meant to show us a Superman that doesn't really wanna help anybody, unless he totally has to. So yes, it's consistent as in it is a shit scene in a shit movie.
Adam Cox
Will he do the smart thing and bring Batman back to some sort of gothic roots?
Because the dog had a significance. It showed that Jonathan cared for all kinds of family, even that of a lowly dog, because that dog was a part of the family. The same way Superman get to save humanity, who Zod view as beneath kryptonians, because the humans were his family.
Logan Collins
No, MoS narrative was about a Superman that couldn't do everything by himself and had to learn to trust humanity with his secret, because the mutual trust between him and us was instrumental to save the day.
Which goes in a total another direction from the first Superman movie, which was essentially about a Superman who can do everything and decided no else would ever get hurt on his watch ever again after losing his dad.
Brody Fisher
So, we're like dogs for Superman? Doesn't this make it sound even more retarded to you?
Kevin Jackson
It was about not putting yourself above others and do everything to protect those you love.
Aiden Cruz
I cannot stand edgy teenagers on this board
Liam Gutierrez
well duh, he is a fucking god and humans are what? little weak creatures that can't be trusted and that need someone to guide them
Ryder Stewart
>It showed that Jonathan cared for all kinds of family, As an actual father you care for your son and your wife by ensuring that you're there for them. You don't stumble into a fucking tornado to save an animal that's going to be dead in a few years anyway.
The hoops people jump through to explain this moronic fucking scene are incredible.
>No, MoS narrative was about a Superman that couldn't do everything by himself and had to learn to trust humanity with his secret The MoS narrative was about a young man that was incapable of being a good person, who only acted to save other when he absolutely had to, because he was raised as an apathetic and emotionally stunted moron by a father that valued the life of an animal over his own son and wife's well-being.
>because the mutual trust between him and us was instrumental to save the day. Which is why one of the last scenes is him destroying a multi-million dollar military drone and being smug about it.
Jace Murphy
>certain vision Drunk
Jayden Foster
>WW was amazing Citation needed.
It was a serviceable MCU film with dc characters. Fun but no rewatch value. Also souless and uninspired.
Nicholas Allen
>The MoS narrative was about a young man that was incapable of being a good person, who only acted to save other when he absolutely had to, because he was raised as an apathetic and emotionally stunted moron by a father that valued the life of an animal over his own son and wife's well-being.
You're a troll and i'm done talking to you.
John Sanders
>Which is why one of the last scenes is him destroying a multi-million dollar military drone and being smug about it.
Spying is a lack of trust. That's the point of that scene. If Superman and the US were to work together, the US had to stop trying to dig dirt on Superman and just trust him, the same way Superman decided to trust in the US going forward.
Jeremiah Cox
And that's why Man of Steel failed where Wonder Woman succeeded. Zack Snyder is just an edgy manchild.
Jace Perry
DC attracts talent. acting and direction. yes men go to marvel for the paycheck it's all about money for marvel
Christian Myers
>the same way Superman decided to trust in the US going forward. With what, exactly? The government knows absolutely nothing about him, other than the fact that he leveled an entire city and caused billions in damages in two different states.
Christian Powell
>Citation needed. The box office performance and the majority of critics? What are you, retarded?
Levi Ross
>DC attracts talent
Parker Smith
The fact that he had decided to turn himself in to their care, that he came back to warn them about Zod, that he stayed with them to formulate a plan and go risk his life once again trying to execute it, that he killed people from his own race to help them.
Zachary Thompson
the batman will BTFO out of all other batman and capeshit movies
Blake Russell
everything DC has put out is raw talent. this is a fact redditor.
Joseph Rogers
Have you seen the trailer for justice league that movie is gonna be insane , the league battling paradrmons and Steppenwolf the flashback to the war against darkseid its gonna be an intense film
Jeremiah White
Don't bully spics that don't know a thing about cinema beyond john wick and mad max4
Eli Rodriguez
But Whedon is going to fuck it up with quips and a boring score.
Benjamin Price
Name one bad movie in the DCEU
Wyatt Price
>The fact that he had decided to turn himself in to their care He turned himself in and immediately demonstrated that he could just leave at any time. I'm sure they trusted him a great deal, and I'm sure that trust lasted through the massive and borderline apocalyptic circumstances that happened after that.
Benjamin Morgan
Wheddon isnt remaking the whole film numb nuts he's just finishing up shit snyder was gonna do before he had to leave, why are marvel pajeets like satan tempting Jesus in the desert it aint gonna work buddy
Samuel Martin
>.50 MickeyMonies have been deposited in your DisneyLunch™ pass
Liam Morris
Bad talent maybe. DCEU has been a complete clusterfuck so far.
Jose Collins
He showed them that he gave himself to them out of his own volition and that he could walk at any time, but chose not to, because he had his fate on their hands. He showed complete trust in them.
About the third act and all the destruction, that shit was already underway before Superman and the US army had ever come together to devise a plan to stop it. Superman wasn't alone in that fight. The US army was instrumental in that. That was the whole point. It was Superman + the US army against Zod & the kryptonians.
Mason Harris
DCEU has already won an oscar. and made billions where's your oscar marvelcuck?
Zachary Walker
Just the fact that he changed the composer and is adding new scenes more editing the final cut of the movie is proof of a terrible sign. The movie will lose nearly all the thematic links with the previous movies.
Bentley Taylor
will he keep deathstroke as the main villain?
if not fuck this movie
Gavin Foster
>the movie will lose all thematic links with the previous movies Say it aint so
Zachary Bell
Deathstroke should be the villain of the Nightwing movie, not Batman. Nightwing should be about a son feeling abandoned by a grieving father and having to deal with this new father figure trying to adopt him, and the character learning that he's already a grown ass man that can stand on his own and doesn't need any new daddies in his family.
Fucking hire me WB.
Noah Young
wtf i hate steroids now?
Carson Bell
The problem is that Whedon can only deliver bland shit. No purpose, no soul, only mindless entertainment.
William Rivera
Last I read they were downplaying Deathstrokes role for more of fuckboi Letos Joker
Who either needs to be recast or sat down by Reeves and changed completely
I am also done with Joker, just give us a new villain. Wheres the man bat at?
Meet me back here after november 17 we'll see who's right
Michael Morales
Wasn't blood related, doesn't count.
Caleb Bennett
oh ffs
fuck joker, he's been the most overused piece of shit villain since a long time, it's always fucking him even in the video games his has been so fucking overused now with ''lol joker is so randum'' bullshit I can't stand it anymore
just look at this video, it could've been a great concept, but do you know how it ends?
Deathstroke fight is the easiest fight containing only quick-time events, Deadmask is actually dead and the actual villain is actually the joker who takes a big shit on the whole overall plot
>pic related, we could have an actual fight where Batman gets his ass beaten for a change
>He showed complete trust in them. >I trust that you'll be able to clean up the mess I made, and the ones I will continue to make in the future. I just don't understand where the trust they're supposed to have in him is coming from. It would be like a nuclear bomb being armed in a major city, and then the guy who armed it surrenders to the military and demonstrates that he has a smaller one strapped to his chest and can just set it off at any time, but then asks the military to help him get rid of the first one he armed.
Then later, then the military tries to glean some information as to what he's capable of, he just blows up their plane, because they're just supposed to trust him.
