Why is this area so fucked up?

Why is this area so fucked up?

I was talking with a friend the other day about refugees and islamic terrorists and every time I would say something bad about them his answer would be something along the lines of "Yeah but we (westerners) created them by going into war and bombing their countries and generally destablizing the region"

So can anyone tell me what really went there to destablize the region?

Was it made by the US for the oil money, to create the current refugee situation, to create wars to make money, the Saudi government funding terrorists, what really happened?

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The Saudis have been nourishing Sunni extremists for decades as a counterweight to Iran.

>Why is this area so fucked up?
Because it is inhabited by arabs
>Yeah but we (westerners) created them
They were like that long before we ever set foot there.

Blaming Westerners doesn't excuse terrorists nor does it offer any solution

>we should let in a billion shitskins because of what USA did

yeh nah cunt

it's a region filled with mentally retarded inbreeds who worship a pedophile warlord. You could step on a twig in the middle east and the whole place would be in flames because they're simply violent ignorant people.

>tribal upbringing
>inbred genes
>invention of kalishnikov
>lazy hot climate
>forbidden pleasures

It's been like that since the advent of Islam. Look into the crusades and the falsehood of the narrative pushed by our education/media. They say Christians were the assholes, when in actuality the Muslims were fucking with us for years and we finally got sick of it and kicked their asses back to the desert.

Religion.

How do you explain this then? Terrorism has been going up since the US started the "war on terror" following 9/11.

I know that and I told my friend the same, I'm more interested in knowing what happened in the past 15 years

The region has been destabilized ever since the partitioning of the Ottoman empire. I like to think it really all comes down to the fact that sunnis and shias have always been rivaling each other desu.

Some districts still recovering from events several hundred years ago. Places like Iran and Afghanistan didn't recover their 1200's population until the 1950's.

1) Ogodei and Subutai (Mongols) depopulated much of the region by 75-90% in the 1200's

2) Tamerlane depopulated the same areas again by 90% in the 1400's

3) Silk Road pretty much went extinct in the 1600's which was the major economic source for the region. The Silk Road died out because Europeans discovered direct trade routes to the East and the Ottomans were too late to get into the colonization game so they just slowly imploded on themselves in economic decline

4) Pashtun Afghans conquered much of Iran in the 1600's or 1700's and they depopulated major cities

5) Nader Shah rose out of the turmoil to build a large confederation army of different groups of people wanting to reestablish Persia. Army was mostly Shiite and Zoroastrian Persians but also included tens of thousands of Kurds and Afshar Turks. Fighting Ottomans, Russians, Pashtuns and Mugals all pretty much at the same time. It was extremely destabilizing

6) British and Russians got into the "Great Game" of colonization and it was pretty destructive

7) Qajar Dynasty took over Persia and was very incompetent pretty much from the get go. Always getting played by European powers and outmaneuvered, constantly surrendering assets to the British

8) Ottoman Empire collapse created a power vacuum that got filled by 10's of ideologies fighting for power on the region which is what we have today

9) Saudi Arabia and Iran are in a proxy war for regional hegemony. Iran has been trying to unite the muslim world behind it since the 1980's with little success so now it's just going through proxy war take overs. Saudi Arabia is exporting Wahhabi Islam which is the ultra-conservative brand and it's basically at war against the West and anyone else who isn't Wahhabi.

10) Turkey is going through this neo-Ottoman bullshit
1) Ottoman Empire

That's not really what I'm looking for.
Their inbred genes and aggressive religion just makes them more inclined to hate the west and become terrorists.

Something else is the cause of the recent crisis.
They didn't wake up one day and say let's go into Europe and kill people.

Their justification is that the west went there for war and bombed the countries.
This recent war on the middle east that resulted in millions of dead people, millions of refugees, uprising of ISIS, takeover of some relatively stable countries by unstable terrorist groups, etc etc.
Was it the US playing world police, their greed for the oil, were they paid by the Saudis to destabilize the region?

The problem is Western countries empowering extremist elements in the region in order to advance their short term interests in the the area.

The Brits (and before them the Russians with the Orthodox) empowered the Wahhabis in the Ottoman empire, then the US empowered the mujahedeen (proto-taliban + Al Qaeda) in Afghanistan.

Same thing during the Arab spring with Lybia and now Syria.

Of course there are other reasons, but foreign influence has significantly contributed to the instability there.

You're looking for something false then, because it is the religion. Middle East has been fucked up WAAAAAAY before recent crisis. The roots of the whole goddamn fuck up in there. Religion. Yes USA went in there to deliver democracy, but the reason for lack of democracy in there was because of religion. Islam creates the whole society and country in there.

>They didn't wake up one day and say let's go into Europe and kill people.
You're right. It has been a plan of theirs in the works for over 20 years now.

clarionproject.org/Muslim_Brotherhood_Explanatory_Memorandum#

I think that before all of our foreign intervention the middle east was an extremely fucked up place. But at the same time, there was a sense of stability in the middle east. When we depose of these dictators, things become unstable and the average person is more inclined to go for extremism.

"inbred genes and aggressive religion" are just meme explanations from people that haven't actually read the history of the region. Once you understand who is who and their histories then the current anarchy of the middle east totally makes sense. I made a list of events going years back here Some of these items were basically Eastern Front type shit generation after generation. Consider your own history. After Rome gets sacked sometimes it takes hundreds of years to recover like it was before. In the case of some parts of the Middle East like Mesopotamia, Khorosan, Sistan, Anatolia - which for a long time were the wealthiest regions in the world - they just got sacked over and over again and slowly the institutions and structures that made these societies successful and harmonious just disappeared. The region has a lot of bad blood to get through. Even once ISIS is gone and Assad and Iraq restore stability to their nations there is still so much bullshit to get through

cold war chess
US funding radicals to fight commies
US propping up dictators that piss people off
Ideologies rising up to 'fight' imperial powers - they tried pan-arabism, nationalism, but they figured out political Islam was the most effective form of resistance.

Those Saudi chucklefucks are why two towers are missing from the New York skyline.


I don't get why we haven't turned the country into glass.

>Why is this area so fucked up?
Islam. It's been fucked since the 7th century. It became significantly more fucked in the 12th century.

Before 9/11, it wasn't called terrorism. It was called Muslims killing Muslims. See Saddam Hussein's genocide of Kurds for an example.

I read the list. interesting and concise.
I was under the impression that the area was much more stable before the US or the west set foot in the recent years.

That doesn't mean they were perfect countries but at least it didn't produce thousands of terrorists that come here to kill europeans.
Maybe they would have stayed there killing other muslims instead and it wouldn't have made the news.

>Iran
>fucked up

>"Yeah but we (westerners) created them
for 500 points, what is the fall of the Ottoman Empire ?

>American education

The region was even worse before Islam. tribe fighting tribe village fighting village. Islam provided a uniting identity for huge swathes of the Middle East and all the Semetic populations developed a more homogenous Arabic language. The Rashidan Caliphate, Ummayyad Caliphate, Abbasid Caliphate, Seljuk, Ottoman etc these were some of the most peaceful times in Middle Eastern history.

Islamic laws actually brought in a lot of reforms to the old codes of tribal societies that reduced violence.

The earliest date to say when things went downhill into the current chaos is about 1200's

It starts back when the Ottoman empire started collapsing due to the discovery of the New world.

After that point their markets started to collapse and they eventually entered free trade agreements with the rest of Europe.
Go forward in time and Russia is now banging on Afghanistan and Iran's door and the Ottoman empire has weakened itself from multiple descents with the Russians.

At this point in time the Europeans have completely dominated the rest of the middle east's ability to produce textile items at a competitive rate.

Somewhere a long the line the Middle Eastern governments start to sell off their oil to European companies to sell off there ever increasing debts.

WW1 happens and the Ottoman Empire sides with the German Kaizers.

The rest of the Middle East wants to stay out of it.
Russia invades them anyways.

After the Ottomans lost to the British they lost the rest of their empire.

From this point on the middle east got divided into nonsensical chunks belonging to the French, British, etc.

The French ones are all hellholes(Suprise).
The English ones did OK for the most part.
Most didn't have any access to water so they couldn't start an economy.

Iran, Afghanistan and Ottomans do pretty well under puppet democracies until they're kicked out by revolts.
Ottomans have about 9000 coups and eventually become Turkey. Cold war happens and so on so forth.

>Ottoman empire has weakened itself from multiple descents with the Russians.
Meant Egyptians

Is to some degree the center of the world word North East and West all kind of juice clash it's always going to be a mess there's not much you can do to fix it

i don't buy it. you act like these are the only places to go through war. eastern europe is shithole because of war, but it's still not as much of a shithole as the ME. Russia was massively depopulated and ravaged, still better than ME(albeit it still kind of sucks desu).To top it off, they're sitting on liquid gold. Historical conflict isn't enough to explain their failures.

Well, Shillary and other (((globalists))) dicked around in Iraq, Libya, and other stable sandnigger nations to destablize the Middle East, with excuses like "muh dictators" and "muh WMDs." It's not just for Mother Israel, but to destablize sandnigger nations that could compete with Saudis. Remeber, Hillary wants to make sure we get our oil from only her Saudi nigger friends, becuase she is (((globalist))) puppet who wants to cuck America into a place that relies on other countries.

It was a fake kind of stability. A lot of strongmen holding grip with ruthless security apparatuses. Act out against the government? Saddam's troops will arrest your daughter and film her getting gang raped by a dozen guys then hand you the VHS to watch. This sort of shit is pretty typical of middle eastern governments. US invading Iraq certainly made things far worse but the whole region is a powder keg ready to blow.

i would say its a heinous concoction of the US being careless and naive with its foreign policy relative to the institution of the petro dollar, and the increasingly diametric cultural opposition of islam and the western world.

100 years ago, during the First World War, the Middle East was dominated by the Ottoman Empire.

The British Empire encouraged the Arab population of the Ottoman Empire to rebel in order to aid British efforts in the First World War (the Ottomans fought alongside Germany and against Britain, France and the USA).

In exchange for rebelling, the British promised the Arabs that they would have their own country, free from foreign oppression.

The British immediately went back on this once the war was won, and established a series of protectorates across the Middle East instead (alongside France). These protectorates were carved out in such a way that each contained conflicting ethnic and religious groups that could be played against one-another from outside - good for colonial adminstration, not so much for when they eventually got independence.

Further complicating the matter was the Balfour Declaration, when the British began actively encouraging Jews to go to Palestine/Israel and settle, forming the foundation of a Jewish state in the Middle East and displacing large numbers of Arabs. The Middle Eastern oil companies were also dominated by colonial influences, even after independence.

Furthermore, once all the Arab countries got independence, they became pawns in the Cold War between the Soviets and the West. Iraq and Iran were played against one-another, as an example, and in other cases, autocracies were propped up against the will of the people in some countries (to the point that rebellion became the only option for change in some instances, which in turn allowed for the emergence of extremist movements to form the core of government in the aftermath - ie. Iran), and when rebellions did happen in countries where the autocrat in question had "outlived his usefulness", the rebels would be actively supported by some countries in an effort to get a more friendly, useful government to succeed the previous one. Case in point - Libya, Afghanistan.

Lol mongol niggers btfo by our slave soldiers
Feels good man

No one really knows, OP.

One thing is certain though:
IT ABSOLUTELY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM.

Most of the countries in that area are controlled by theocracy and religious law.

Maybe theres a correlation?

Ground zero for Christianity.

Which means it's also ground zero for Satanism.

If you haven't noticed, Satan is winning...

Mean while in the U.K
Allah save the queen

Geopolitical theory.
/thread

westeners went to war with germany

westerners went to war with japan

why are germany and japan not terrorists?

Ultimately you could say it's also the fault of colonialism. If not for their oil, this whole area would have the same development as the sub-sahara. Many politicians and businessmen can use the oil as leverage for their tribal warfare.
Kafka once compared the Jews to shakals but I always found that Arabs would've been more fitting. Look at Dubai for example. Median income is what? 400-500 dollars? While the elite is spending this kind of money in an hour. They just don't give a flying fuck.

Eastern Europe had a quick 6 year war and occupation and the levels of violence were nowhere close to what happened in the middle east. They were not depopulated by upwards of 70-90% multiple times within generations of each other. Entire cities were captured, lined up and beheaded. As I said some of these areas in the middle east didn't recover to 1200's populations until around the 1950's

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Honestly?

While they do have shit tier genes and other elements well explained by other posters here, I haven't seen the most recent explanation.

Militant Islam died a while back. After the failure of the Vietnam War and the prospects of conquering oil-rich countries, the energy-dependent Soviet Union stirred up a lot of old fossils. They revived violent Islamic anti-semitism, distributed translated copies of the Protocols, and spread propaganda far and wide that Israel was the little Satan and the US was the Jewish controlled Big Satan.

There's a lot more well explained shit about the situation out there, but the bottom line is that while the Soviets sucked at a lot of things, propaganda was (and is) their most successful contribution to the modern world, and it lives on globally today.

Well they fell apart after fighting the Entente.

You know, the alliance between European (Western) powers?

It's LITERALLY the West's fault.

Considering the Sunni/Shia hostility is a big part of the conflict there and the hostility is religious differences, it's natural to assume religion plays a big role.

true

wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328
The largest muslim nations are actually the ones that are the farthest away from israel and they are just poor from foreign companies taking advantage of their easily bought out politicians like indonesia is the largest muslim country yet they dont have isis. Bangladesh, india , and pakistan are the next three in line and the closer they get to Israel the more problems they have with radical islam. Coincidence i think not its not the muslims its the zionist and any fag that disagrees is a puppet to the kikes listening to lies they spread that they are the victim

Jews its always the jews

Modern Arabs are descendants of Ishmael, Abrahams illegitimate son. Even Arabs claim this aside from the illegitimate part.

God said he and his descendants would be like this.

Genesis
11And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

12And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

The US did not create Islam, Islamic expansionism, the Islamic embrace of terrorism as a check against tyranny, or al-Alzhar University.
The US did support al-Qaeda and its reboots, Jabhat al-Nusra, ISIS, FSA, etc.
The mafia government of the US openly supported and materially supported terrorism in destabilizing governments in the region that lacked Rothschild central banks, flirted with replacing the dollar as a currency for oil trading, and were not aligned with Salafists in the Gulf.
Actual US people are disgusted by this. Our military mutinied when Obama tried to accelerate it and the Pentagon started sharing intel with the Russians in the same time frame that the State Department was giving real time guidance by satellite to ISIS terrorists in Syria.
Our government has been Puppet Mastered, but not completely, and now different factions are at increasing odds with each other.

Germany was on the same side as the T*rks.

>Australian education

Very little is known about Saudi Arabia pre-Islam. The Levant (modern definition) was a center on conflict between East and West. Turkey was stable as part of the Byzantine Empire for a long time and saw wars with the Persian Empire. The Persian Empire was stable and saw wars with the Byzantine Empire. Iraq was, before Islam, part of the Persian Empire for roughly 4 centuries.

To say they were tribe fighting tribe in that region immediately before Islam is mostly false. 2000 years before, sure, but not 200 years before. It was empire fighting empire along their boundaries.

Islam saw tribes take up arms and move out in all directions in a campaign of convert or die. Even as the Ottoman Empire, there was constant war in the Balkans as they tried to expand.

Islam brought major conflict between two camps vying to be the "true" heir to Muhammad which continues to this day. Even then, things were mostly stable if you lived away from the spreading borders of each faction until the 12th century. Islamic scholars decided to throw away all logic and reason around that point, which neatly coincides with the end of that regions contributions to mathematics.

Al alzhar
How do you know it
Our formee mufti also a sufi scholar had a failed assassination attempet yesterday
By islamists and salafis
84 bullet
Not a single one hit him
Lol

>Indonesia and India not having problems
>not getting conflict when you move close to the holiest of all cities in the world for all three major religions

ITSSS THE JOOOS GUISE!!?!?!1111?!222111

Here's a really good documentary on the subject (without bullshit conspiracy theory shit)

m.youtube.com/watch?v=xsdr6A8p43g
m.youtube.com/watch?v=xsdr6A8p43g

Yes, they were allies. Then the Brits and French kicked their teeth in and carved up the Central Powers

Pre islam arabs were just huge merchant tribes who had a trade route from china to west africa I think so

Nobodies gonna read this comment, but I'm telling you this answers pretty much every question about Arabs. Their problem is just genetic. You can conjure up 1000s of scenarios, but none of them will explain their irrational tendencies for violence.

It's basically the crossroads of the world

Jordan, my homeland, we're doing ok.

Yeah but that's not a miracle. If it was Israelis trying to kill him, he'd be dead.

Yes, but to most it was considered uninhabitable desert. Whatever conflict existed between those tribes is unknown.

>Modern Arabs are descendants of Ishmael, Abrahams illegitimate son. Even Arabs claim this aside from the illegitimate part.
>God said he and his descendants would be like this.
>Genesis
>11And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
>12And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Just reposting this

>their problem is genetic
I am sure I am hamatic like the rest of north africana
Ex : moroocco libya and algeria
But if it is genetic
Care to explain why jews are so successful and peaceful ?

Westerners have done things in the past but it is the choice of those people whether they act out of line.

The problem with the middle east is the same issue you have with places like India - It is multicultural. There are so many different tribal groups, nation states (Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia), religions (Kurd, Jew, Christian, Islam + subsects, many others). Combine this with the fact that they have extremely rich resources, extreme religion and a boner for the former Persian / Ottoman empire and you have a shitload of instability. Tribes are killing each-other over blood feuds etc.

>Asking Sup Forums for serious, meaningful answers on the state of the Middle East and the multifaceted sources to their current problems
>kek
Seriously, just read more about it.

There's essentially an MA in history worth of things to research to answer this question. If you start by reading something about relations between Rome and Parthia, then on to the inception of Islam and North African expansion, and then the fall of the eastern empire, then ottomans, then the middle east's role in the world wars, and American involvement with the Saudi's and Iranians from 1950's-1990's, then. then, you'll have some idea.

It's not really surprising. Until very recently our races were neighbours. And, pissing your neighbours off happens from time to time.

If you have even a cursory understanding of these points of tension then you'll be informed enough. It takes a lot of research to have a truly insightful opinion of the situation.

Mandi, cuz

They are not the offspring of Hagar like you (no offense), but the offspring of Sarai

Watch Adam Curtis' "Bitter Lake".
It's free on YT.
Basically, once the $$$ started pouring in the country, the Saudi royal family decided they wanted to modernize the country.
There was strong opposition by hardcore militant islamic groups, so the Saudis decided to export their wahabis and qutbists to Pakistan and Afghanistan where they founded and funded the so called madrassas.

US foreign policy is not really the reason of islamic militancy, but is a damn good excuse.

No conflicts before judaism and islam apperead pagans saw jews and muslims evil so they started wars with them
Same with jews and muslims they saw pagans evil and started wars with them

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GET
RID
OF
IT

Mongols sent them to the stone age & they have been on decline ever since

You don't see Eastern Europeans bomb and terrorise Russia for what they did to the region.

Arabs are waring savages that's it.

islam is a religion of violence and death
it's a fucking disease

Refer

Same with judaism
>inb4 you defend jews

No there were arab civilizations that were on par with the other semitic tribes, just look up the Nabateans or the Kingdom of Saba.

Also pic related, ruins in yemen that are currently being bombed by saudi and gulf shitters that wanna wipe anything related to Arab history pre-islam

Islam is the tool that helps propagate the violence, the true problem is that they are genetically tainted and are prone to senseless violence. Refer here

In a study of Israeli and Palestinian Muslim Arabs, more than 70% of the Jewish men and 82% of the Arab men whose DNA was studied, had inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors, who lived in the region within the last few thousand years. "
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews

Jews, Israelis, and Arabs all have the same father, Abraham. So I don't see how this disproves anything I've said.

It started with the arabs backstabbing the ottoman empire and creating israel with the british empire. I bet those fucks still regret it up today.

Did not know
Thanks
And I know that saudis are evil
They funded the muslim brotherhood here
With billions
And after el sisi btfoed them they banned them
Lol

Like I stated prior, we are born of two different mothers. You just happen to get the crazy bitch?

It's an area that has always experienced turmoil and in-fighting.

It's an example of an inferior culture.

they are the same people?

> Egyptian
> Feels good

Choose one, shitskin

Essentially yes, step-brothers that is though. Related only because of Abraham.

Judaism is a religion of death and violence, but virtually no modern Jew attempts to practice it as written. The problem with Muslims is a sizable number actually try to do what their book says.

I feel good that we did not got raped by mongols

Yes no jew blows himself up
But they fund and give weapons to who blow themselves up
Ex: Isis and moderate rebels

The US - Saudi deal made in 1945 resulted in the Saudis spreading wahabbism throughout the whole muslim world, starting with Afghanistan in 1979. The CIA coup against Mossadegh in Iran sent a shockwave through the region and fueled anti western sentiments. The anti western sentiments were canalized by the Muslim Brotherhood, who are dropping their men everywhere. And then there is also Israel that actively seeks to divide and rule the Middle East so the Arab countries wont fight them. The last time the ME wasn't divided the Arabs invaded Israel, that was in 1973.

It's a combination of US geopolitics, that want to protect Israel and the petrodollar, and the mudshit mentality of the people

So your long established civilization didn't get trampled by a bunch of homeless unwashed vagrants on horses?

Come back when the universe loves your country so much that nature didn't even let those cunts on to your land, i.e Japan.

Got Whited by Alexander though, which is not so bad i guess

WW1 saw the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and, at the guidance of the Brits and the French, new borders were drawn up without regard for cultural or religious communities upon said land.

In other words, because of the victors of the (then) largest war in history, the people suffered as new nations were created around them despite their history.

That is the start of the problems, though I'm sure others have already added further to this topic.

I am Jewish and can confirm.

You say that but you have no clue what the bible says. Even when the Jews practiced their religion completely rarely was anyone executed, killed, etc because the needed two witnesses for everything. You know how hard it is to make two peoples stories match up perfectly? And if they didn't the crime was always thrown out. That's why you never hear about a homo that was executed legally by some Jews in history, because homos always did their shit secretly with out prying eyes.

>read The Grand Chessboard, Zbignew Brzezinski.

The TL;DR of it is, for most of humanity, everyone except abos and native americans (so, almost all people) lived in Europe, Africa, and Asia, and the Philippine/Malaysian archipelago. They were all able to connect with each other, and due to the geography of the world, the area highlighted here is the crossroads of all civilizations.

For almost all civilization, whoever controlled that controlled global trade, and therefore, controlled the world. That's why there's been nonstop fighting there for the last couple of millenia.

Now that global trade is facilitated by the sea, the world belongs to the superpower who dominates the sea currently with their Navy- the United States of America. This is a huge part of the reason we have the hegemony we do.

It's also why China building up their Navy is such a worrying development.

>forbidden pleasures

This. The middle east is very sexually repressed while the west enjoys eye candy everywhere regularly. The problem isn't completely Islam as there's barely any trouble at all from Malaysia or Indonesia.