>1. In an ancap society, what is to stop a rich serial killer from simply paying off a private judicial institute to release him free of any charges?
1. In an government society, what is to stop a rich serial killer from simply paying off a judge to release him free of any charges?
ancap society has problem X goverment society also has problem X only worse
Wyatt Mitchell
Any system that demands a fundamental change in human nature will end in disaster. People are motherfuckers, and will continue to be until the end of time.
Josiah Hill
>be the biggest private security institute >realize you have enough force to form a government with no one to really stand in your way >realize you have the opportunity to increase your own standard of living at the expense of everyone else >human nature ensues >???
anarchist idealogy can be defeated with 10 seconds of critical thinking
Camden Gutierrez
also, I want to point that this exact thing is how the first kings came to power
Blake Cox
1. In an ancap society, what is to stop a rich serial killer from simply paying off a private judicial institute to release him free of any charges?
Violation of NAP, vigilante mobs with machine guns and tow missiles.
2. In an ancap society, what is to stop mass pollution and the destruction of land?
Pollution insurance/DROs
3. In an ancap society, how could a minimum living standard be met?
That's up to you to produce. Charities will provide more than enough for people who actually need help.
4. In an ancap society, what would prevent slum lords from allowing there homes to deterorate past current lawful codes?
Market issue. With the absence of zoning codes there would be more housing developments and choice. People with any desire for safety would work extra and pay for a better house or apartment, which would also be cheaper due to influx of new housing.
Brandon Baker
i really hope this is a troll post
if it's not, i have serious concern for your mental health and the delusions you suffer from
Xavier Hall
1. Self-defense 2. This hypothetical big surge of pollution cannot be proven 3. Living standard is a left-wing welfare-myth. If you work, you have a nice house. If you work really hard and for longer hours, you have an even nicer house. If you don't work, you don't get a fucking house you entitled cunt. 4. Why is this a problem?
Matthew Bell
Nice argument!
Jack Perez
>vigilante mobs with machine guns and tow missiles.
this is really all that needs to be read of your post to realize that you're deranged
Jacob Wright
Yeah Im not an ancap then. Guess I'll stick to Libertarianism.
Zachary Rogers
>2. In an ancap society, what is to stop mass pollution and the destruction of land?
Pollution damages your health and your property. This is an infringement on your rights. You can sue the polluter(s) in court .
Kayden Adams
Lel, I was only joking about the first. I'm more of a minarchist, libertarian but the rest are dead serious. Why do you think environmental pollution occurs in the first place? It's because government owns the common areas that are dumped on. I used to work in an state environmental regulatory agency and we would permit manufacturers to discharge a certain amount of effluent into state waterways. Do you think that would happen if the creek was privately owned? Would the owner charge such a pittance or demand complete treatment of effluent?
Ryder Jones
>sue the polluters Polluters are typically multimillion dollar corporations. If judicial systems are run for profit they will win.
Sebastian Murphy
They would if they were offered enough money.
Wyatt Flores
Yes... that was the goal Anarcho-monarchism now!
Lincoln Diaz
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Alexander Campbell
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Luis Collins
Perfect, that will pay for remediation.
Jaxson Green
Lol moar What if the corporation buys the waterway and dumps as they please
Jeremiah Mitchell
so basically every system?
Austin Phillips
>implying any of these are bad things Maybe if you're a beta-cuck and you can't survive in the real world.
Jayden Watson
and another thing when revolution comes again, you will be all shot dead.
Dylan Torres
Statehood and use of force in some instances requires no change in nature as it will result in the use of self preservation
Asher White
Hey, you let the government have them and you don't even trust the corrupt bastards.
Jackson Gutierrez
Right now we are living in a capitalist society, and all 4 things happen anyways. But anarchism is cooler.
David Allen
Funny, Ive never met an ancap who isnt an antisocial beta but it isnt a very large study group to go off of.
William Taylor
is there a way that we can send all of these to stefan?
Robert Rogers
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Nathan Anderson
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Kevin Ortiz
Anarchism is not just unstable but unreliable in the way of rights
Dominic Campbell
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Sebastian Edwards
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Luis Cox
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Andrew Hill
Hi 8(c)han and lefty/pol/.
Do you have anymore Anarchy communist ones. I feel like they would be equally if not more annoying that ancap.
Angel Foster
This is fucking gold man...
Sebastian Walker
Anarchy, whether left or right is retarded
Julian White
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Jason Nelson
Also, Anarcho-communism is a self-contradiction is it not?
Caleb Rogers
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Nathaniel Hernandez
Funny thing is, in a Anarchy capitalist society, There wouldn't be money since money is government printed and regulated.
Henry Moore
What prevents someone from making his own currency?
Andrew Gonzalez
>in a Anarchy capitalist society, There wouldn't be money since money is government printed and regulated.
Nah man youd have various private forms of money or limited things with intrinsic value such as gold, everyone knows that is rock solid logic.
Ethan Williams
Oh shit someone actually believes that would work
Kevin Jenkins
holy fuck ;)
Brayden Lewis
Bitcoin.
Matthew Bell
Not all currency can be digital, and the only reason bitcoin is even feesably working is because you can buy illegal things untraced. Just look at the instability of the value of bitcoin and imagine a whole nation running on thatcurrency. It wouldnt work.
Aiden Phillips
Gold wouldn't work either. It would have to be usable goods like food or raw materials which then get traded for services or other materials.
In a capitalist anarcho society something like gold wouldn't have worth because there wouldn't be a united governing standard. Gold didn't even work that well in ancient times as currency. Goods always outpaced gold.
Also companies can enforce their own printed money via backing by goods and arms I guess.
Ryder Hernandez
Anarcho-capitalism, the only form of anarchism, is an ephemeral condition which gets consolidated by a centralized, coercive entity. You can't manage land, enforce contracts, and protect human rights without a state.
James Ward
Bitcoin has been more stable as a currency that most printed money today.
Brandon Gomez
Im sorry thats just not true.
Kevin Hall
There's like 500 floating around here now.
Just save the best ones during a few days and just attach to an e-mail.
Aiden Taylor
Perfect summary of the enevitability of anarchocapitalism, and the resultant entity is a government in its own right.
>Violation of NAP, vigilante mobs with machine guns and tow missiles. The NAP is an abstraction which 90% of the population is too dumb to comprehend let alone uphold. What is stopping a rich serial killer from hiring a small army to protect himself?
>private judicial system what a joke, you can't have a judicial system without a coercive institution enforcing the laws because it is inherently voluntary to subscribe to said laws
>Pollution insurance/DROs That isn't a solution to mass pollution nor other externalities as you would infringe upon said company's right to pollute
Jack Wood
bitcoin only had 1 crash and 2 mini crashes. It's still worth more than any currency today. In fact for the last year it's floated above 500$
Jose Robinson
all these things are already happening though
Thomas Carter
I see what you did there OP. What is to stop current form of government from causing all the problems you listed? Oh... they already did.
Hudson James
You can have private currency which would be adopted, and it actually solves the issue of a monopoly on currency and creates a competition of different monies which can be exchanged and liquidated on the free market or unadopted if the manager starts printing like crazy and devaluing the currency..
Isaac Harris
This assumes that people are not only rational but knowledgable and that currencies will not envoke anticompetitive actions
Lucas Sullivan
Basically all the arguments that Sup Forums gives against ancaps are arguments against government that is susceptible to bribery. There are good arguments against ancap, but /pol doesn't know them, or won't listen to them because they are also flaws in democracy/capitalism.
Eli White
Can someone, in like 2 lines, explain what these two different coloured triangles I constantly see on Sup Forums even mean. A tl;dr summary would be nice.
I'm a lazy american and therefore I don't want to get involved in another internet hole.
>A
Jason Parker
nope.
But check the archive we had 2-3 300+ post threads of these the past 2 days.
Gabriel Jones
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Tyler King
I feel like an ancap tabletop RPG run by a competent GM would have considerable potential for lulz.
Anthony Nelson
>>license
Juan Morris
People are rational when it comes to self-interest
>currencies will not envoke anticompetitive actions the only thing anti-competitive is a central banking system, a federal currency, and a state throwing people who create private currencies in prison
Camden Morales
I miss the days when ancaps outnumbered neocons on Sup Forums.
Pretty much this. Ancaps generally know more arguments against Ancap than Sup Forums does,
Evan Adams
You cold rattle on all day but you'd be retarded if you did.
All you're basically doing is taking a snapshot of todays society, removing government and going "ugh! look at all these problems!" problems that effect the state worse in reality.
Aaron Sanchez
Can't follow directions. All that did was direct me to enter a hole.
GIVE ME A SUMMARY FFS!
I'm too tired to research. Please. I hate right angle, different couloured, triangles.
Henry Diaz
Ancap party of sweden, you lazy fuck
Gabriel Sanchez
>forgetting about NAP
Kevin Taylor
the actual problem /pol should be pointing out with regards to pollution isn't the one they are trying to point out right now.
See, some resources exist that have very distributed externalities. I can dump some toxic waste in the air and it will cause a small amount of harm to a million different people, or maybe even the whole world if you believe in global warming. Now, of course they should take me to court. Problem is that the incentive is very distributed across them all, similar to the way that the incentive to produce food in a communal farm is very distributed. The problem isn't actually pollution on privately owned land, the problem is pollution that nobody will bother suing. There are two ways to fix this, just as there are two ways to make a communal farm work- you can appoint a vanguard or you can create a culture of unity/responsibility. The appointment of a vanguard only works when the vanguard is inherently more trustworthy and capable than those who allow him to centralize the responsibility. The danger is that if a vanguard is appointed which has severe flaws, the responsibility for creating a new vanguard is distributed, just as the incentives were originally distributed. The new problem we have is how to appoint inherently better vanguards. I have an answer to this question, but you should think about it on your own. I would recommend lectures on game theory so that you understand the incentives behind this flaw.
Aaron White
Nothing stops any of that except for individual preferences and the ability for those individuals to make those preferences real.
You and many others have a misunderstanding about ancap. You think that ancap is supposed to come from a kind of mass acceptance of the NAP, or that magically one day the state will disappear while everyone holds the same preferences they have today. Both wrong.
Ancap, if it happens, will be a result of capitalism and ever-more sophisticated techniques by private business to confound the state and its machinations for their customers. Tax advisors, tax shelters, private security, etc.
A further misunderstanding is that ancap is libertarian. It is not. Defined, ancap is simply the de-monopolization of the use of force via a capitalist mechanism.
Adrian Anderson
>laws are pointless because people can just break them >nobody will violate this abstract principle though that would just be wrong
Asher Torres
Thank you user. I have many follow up questions. However, in the interest of time, I will refer you to the recommendation from FBI Director Comey.
Jonathan Hall
Wow was I just trolled? You fucking leaf go apologize for breathing.
Camden Ortiz
Ancap opens the law to market forces.
Henry Cook
Aka whoever has the most money decides what's allowed Truly a utopian society
Caleb Cook
Ancap opens the use of force to the person with the most money rather than a system run by the people.
Luke Foster
My apologies.
For the record, even though I'm a leaf, I do feel that Rowdy Gowdy is the king of all kings.
Andrew Cox
> whoever has the most money > to the person with the most money
...and the only person who receives an Insurance payout is the person who pays the most premiums right? You can't be this naive, short-sighted and unimaginative surely....
Camden Bennett
GOwdy is a fucking G Im suprised he wasnt assassinated.
Joseph Taylor
>Equating insurance to rule of law
In ancap there is no rule of law with which to recieve 'pay out.' The one with the most money can purchase the most force with which to exert on others and creates his/her own rule of law.
Austin Lee
Oh my mistake, what you meant was >everyone will have their own set of laws based on what they can afford That's much better
Landon Miller
not their own laws but their own defense and dispute arbitration needs just like everyone has varying needs in every other service, the over arching rules and co-operation between arbiters, defense, agencies judges, social norms, alternative solutions etc would be a bit more homogeneous/standardized might be the word.
Either way the quality of the service would be far higher than under a monopoly with distorted incentives.
Isaac Nelson
They did it before we had governments... it was just that we had no monopolistic standard, which made it rather inefficient. Now we have a monopolistic standard, which kills competition.
This could just as easily happen in a nation with government, if it doesn't forbid people from buying weaponry or developing their own. Biggest reason I don't think that violence would be as popular in ancapistan as critics say is that there are much more subtle ways of controlling the public that are far cheaper and efficient. There is a reason that corporations help Hillary Clinton run for president instead of funding a civil war- they don't want to deal with the fallout of a civil war. Their trade routes would be devastated for decades. Instead, they would produce propaganda and slowly create a subtle tyranny by controlling local private police and suchlike not as an army for each individual corporation, but as an army for all of the corporations and billionaires who want to buy force. Basically no different from what we have today, except a bit more extreme.
Gabriel Cruz
>DOW Jones Special Forces
Lel, the Dow is literally just a way of measuring how well the stock market is doing.
Robert Reyes
Its a meme dont takeit so seriously
Jose Wright
I agree. The libtards are terrified of him. I am surprised too he is not the next Seth Rich. He should have some role in Trump's administration.
I like you user. You made my night with your kind comments.
My apologies if there has been appearances of hijacking this thread. It was never my purpose.
>inb4 leafs say sorry too much. >sorry
Gavin Howard
I know, I just thought it was funny. Either way >don't take it so seriously
Is this an order, do you support me being shot?!?! DID YOU VIOLATE THE NAP!!!
William Bell
>oh shit that guy was just killed >what to go investigate to see if the killer violated the NAP? >nah
Joshua Williams
Is the wild west an example of an ancap society?
Lincoln Thompson
I'd love an-cap.
I have a ton of hot 12-18 year old neighbours I want to rape.
So I'd rape them, and if there brothers, dads etc came onto my property to confront me I'd just shoot them