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Cooper Howard
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Owen Long
>crashing this plane
Andrew Lewis
Probably a whole an absurd ammount of Sea Monkeys.
Jeremiah Davis
>a whole an absurd
what the fuck did I just type
Grayson Nelson
You are one smart gal, Monica.
Owen Clark
It's because he's a mutie, isn't it?
Zachary Ward
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Benjamin Hill
Maybe its because he keeps declaring war on the surface every time someone pisses in the ocean?
Bentley Cook
Gah, all this magenta is hurting my eyes. What the fuck, colorist?
Asher Wood
Aw, hell.
Logan Jones
Heh, true enough.
Andrew Diaz
Sea monkeys got into your keyboard. They're worse than gremlins.
Nathan Wright
You knew this was coming, user!
Lucas Nelson
Ah, the Scourge of the Underworld. Looking back, this wasn't such a good idea.
Noah James
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Nathan Powell
>What the くそ?
Justin Martin
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Austin Hernandez
THE BEGINNING OF THE END
Robert Sanders
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Owen Morris
>The... son... of Zeus... shall not be... overcome by... colored lights!
lol
Adam Perry
Oh come on user, we still have plenty of good comics to look forward to!
We still haven't even reached my favorite X-run
Gabriel Sullivan
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Samuel Richardson
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Robert Williams
Well, that's just silly!
Nathan Martin
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Jose Richardson
Boo!
Austin Hernandez
Y'know, it's not often a new series is advertised in books that don't belong to its "family". Pretty interesting move by Marvel to make this an Avengers/F4 story.
Eli Bailey
>You know who
kek
Oliver Morales
>crossover with a completely different family
Claremont ain't gonna write that. They had to give it to another team.
Ian Williams
>dat Shulkie talking butt
Julian Russell
What's going on with She-Hulk's hands?
Adrian Gutierrez
Yeah, that's true.
Justin Wright
What are you doing with Herc, Jen?
Zachary Sanders
She's trying to make a pretty pretty butterfly.
Camden Murphy
I love Byrne's use of negative space.
Grayson Lee
Jen and Herc are totally fuck buddies
Gabriel Wright
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Anthony Gray
She pretty much admits as much here!
Connor Price
Stubble Reed is best Reed.
Jeremiah Sanchez
By the way, Sue's mullet cracks me up.
Michael Roberts
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Liam Thomas
That's right, the Byrne F4 costumes are black too, just like Beast's fur.
Eli Hughes
Sue is OP, pls nerf
Levi Perry
>persecution complexes and muties
Sue, you've got no idea.
Camden Sanders
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Isaiah Howard
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Jacob Martinez
once evil robots from the government start chasing you it's not a complex
Oliver Reed
>WH-AAATTT?
Sebastian Foster
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Sebastian Edwards
Heh, yeah, that's fair.
Benjamin Evans
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Joshua Cruz
Samantha Stevens is going to be mad Herc wrecked her door.
Levi Mitchell
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Tyler Johnson
Yeah, don't be a pussy, Jean! Err, I mean...
Daniel Nelson
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Brody Sanchez
Hoo boy, here we go.
Aaron Evans
Radiation is one hell of a drug?
Landon Smith
>I'd dance with the Devil himself!
Oh no, let's not talk about pacts with the Devil please.
Daniel Lee
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Nathaniel Anderson
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Isaiah Kelly
Doesn't it just warm your heart?
Carson Hughes
That's all for today, tomorrow: a reunion! A new team! A new beginning! 'till then!
Leo Russell
>Special thanks to K. Busek
The whole phoenix thing was Busiek's idea, and they misspelled his name.
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Logan Watson
So the Fantastic Four have been bunking with the Avengers?
Thomas Scott
Jean's outfit here looks kinda Goblin Queenish.
Camden Powell
This is a very unorthodox way to advertise a spin-off. Was there a behind-the-scene reason for this?
Chase Adams
They gave the story to Silver Age fanboys who never warmed to the Claremont X-Men: Roger Stern and (yes, really) John Byrne.
Bringing back Jean, and the launch of X-Factor, was basically a Silver Age Fanboy revolt against the rebooted X-Men.
Nathan Johnson
Claremont didn't approve of this so there was no way he was gonna waste a couple of issues on promoting X-Factor.
Jason Ramirez
Did they not notice how successful Claremont X-Men was?
Camden Gray
Sure. But Bobby, Warren, and Hank were languishing in avengers and spin offs, and Scott had been written out of the series. Their character assets were underused. The feeling was: if one x-men good sells well, why not have TWO x-men books.
Cameron Roberts
And they were fucking right.
Grayson Fisher
>what lurks within the cocoon
The death of a franchise
Ryan Ramirez
"By My Beard".
Jaysus.
Grayson Green
Too right.
Levi Gonzalez
Black Knight looks so dumb. Between this and his appearance in NM#40 where he gets punked by Magneto I can't take him seriously.
John Lee
>Was there a behind-the-scene reason for this?
The death of Jean Grey was not popular among several Marvel staffers who loved the Silver Age stuff. An intern named Kurt Busiek shared his idea for a retcon where Jean Grey wasn't responsible for the destruction of the Dark Phoenix Saga with editor Roger Stern. Stern liked the idea enough that he shared it with writer/artist Bob Layton and John Byrne. The trio took it to Jim Shooter who approved the idea.
Chris Claremont had not planned on this and was so mad he would've quit had his editor waited until dinner on Friday, after business hours, so he could calm down over the weekend
This is what happens when the inmates run the asylum
Ryan Martin
She wasn't intended to die in the first goddamn place.
Landon Thomas
Claremont and Byrne's original ending was awful and Shooter was right for telling them so. She was just going to lose her powers and leave the book
Caleb Roberts
There was also some talk of making her into a 12 year old. (guess who came up with that idea)
Samuel Clark
Yes, but when you're a fan you don't care what sells, you just want to see your favorite characters.
So Busiek wrote an angry letter to X-Men after the Dark Phoenix Saga talking about how shit the book had gotten. He loved the Silver Age X-Men so he just didn't want to see them trashed.
X-Factor was created by guys who loved the Original 5 X-Men and never fully loved the Claremont version. It's ridiculous from a sales and artistic standpoint, but they were thinking as fans, not artists.
Jordan Walker
Shooter was absolutely right to insist on the new ending.
Where I think he went wrong was insisting that Jean couldn't come back unless she was proved "innocent" of killing the broccoli people. Otherwise they could have found a less convoluted way to bring her back, like saying Maddie was the reincarnation of Jean all along.
Kind of sums up Shooter's career, he fixed what needed to be fixed at Marvel and then got to the point that he was laying down kind of arbitrary rules.
Kevin Hill
Shooter wanted her dead not cos the original ending was "awful" (hint: It wasn't) it was cos he has a big throbbing hate-on for women with power, and he's shown it again and again over the years; Jean isn't the only one he's fucked-over.
He may have said it was that she had to pay for slaughtering all those fucking broccoli people (like anyone cared), yet it's totes cool for Galactus to go around butchering trillions.
There was also some horseshit about the editor not clearing shit with him, but that's probably nonsense, or indicative of excess micro-management.
David Flores
Pretty sure that was *mentally* twelve, and she would have come out of it eventually.
Nicholas Miller
>Shooter was absolutely right to insist on the new ending.
Nope, not at all. He ruined the story.
Ryder Morales
Get the fuck out of here with this shit. Galactus is not a hero so it doesn't matter how many innocents he has on his tally.
>Shooter wanted her dead not cos the original ending was "awful" (hint: It wasn't)
The printed version is so superior that the original is awful. It is far more natural for the story to end with heroic sacrifice.
Jason Wright
Respectfully disagree. After the broccoli people were killed, something else was needed.
Lincoln Torres
>It is far more natural for the story to end with heroic sacrifice.
So she has her powers sacrificed due to a "psychic lobotomy". How the fuck could cheapjack ancient disused unserviced for millennia Kree weaponry actually harm the Phoenix,let alone kill, when hyper-advanced tech like the Shi'ar had couldn't? I prefer, if forced to accept the Shooterized story, that Phoenix faked its death and then fucked off to the bottom of the bay until the coast was clear.
Jesus,Jean wasn't even responsible, mentally or morally for what she did after Mastermind brainfucked her. Literally unable to tell right from wrong, especially after being bonded to a wild amoral Abstract
Andrew Green
The only use for broccoli is for it to be steamed and served with cheese sauce.
Jonathan Martinez
>He ruined the story.
It's a story about love and sacrifice. Her death is what people remember because it's the ultimate payoff for the incredible build up
Benjamin Powell
Scott's narration explicitly mentions that she spent the entire fight weakening herself to the point where it could kill her. You're complaining that Superman can't be killed by a gun despite the story stating that Superman reduced himself to a mere human beforehand.
Alexander Cox
x-bump
Isaiah Phillips
You know, I think those last three panels would be more powerful with no dialogue.
Jose Cox
What's your favorite? I must know!
Jonathan Gutierrez
I'm not entirely sure why, but this reminds me of certain creators today, namely Geoff Johns when he brought back Hal as Green Lantern (super strong execution of the transition from Kyle to Hal) and Barry "Boring" Allen as Flash (stupid sluggish execution of the transition from Wally to Barry).
I dig Busiek and I respect other peoples' opinions, but from an artistic standpoint, bringing back the original 5 was counter to Claremont's vision.
Asher Bailey
Claremont's vision, sure...but the art teams and silver age writers were in favor of x-factor.