>Involuntary celibacy: Involuntary celibacy (or incel) is the lack of sexual intercourse for reasons other than voluntary sexual abstinence.
>An involuntarily celibate person may be defined as one who is unable to initiate or sustain a sexual relationship, despite the desire to experience such a relationship. Causes may include lack of attractivness or shyness / love-shyness.
Is this a real modern phenomenon or is this how it has always been and the internet has simply given them a platform?
Also on a side note, why are such articles deleted?
>inb4 atheist filth hedonist says FUCK YOU POO IN LOO I want to be a degenerate faggot anal digging piece of shit.
Kayden Williams
It's real. Too much estrogen in the shit we eat and drink. Jews pushing SJW culture, feminism, tolerance, etc. Lack of a male role model and guidance leads to generations of emasculated men.
Chase Young
>have there always been people who couldn't get laid? Yes, and you're one of them.
Charles Walker
That's what hookers are for. Which was gonna be where I led with this. If incel is causing fucked up people to get all the more fucked up (Elliot Rodgers anyone?) then surely liberalising and destigmatising the sex trade is a simple solution? Buy 'they' appear more keen to sweep it under the rug and deny anyone use of the term. Y dis?
Xavier Walker
Left-wingers don't want to legalize prostitution because of feminism, and right-wingers don't want to legalize prostitution because of evangelicals. I don't have a problem with people paying for sex, but I really doubt it will ever be legal in our lifetimes.
Hudson Walker
Well then they should expect the number of shootings and general chimp-outs to increase. The issue of unsexed men is becoming more and more serious as social media (and the expectations that go with it) prevade deeper and deeper into real life. And a quick google of the term will reveal almost entirely contempt for the incels, further ostracising them.
The 'condition' seems real, even if purely as a descriptive term. So why the eagerness to close down discussion of it?
Anthony Wilson
Did this delete it?
Nolan Nelson
Generally, people with power can get sex, and people without power don't matter. The world doesn't give two shits about low status males. High status males > high status females > low status females > low status males.
Josiah Phillips
>anal digging
Shh... do not speak of Toilet Witch, Pajeet. Powerful juju.
Do not let your soul flushed down to the underworld, Pajeet. Once you reach the Sewers, there is no coming back...
Isaac Nelson
Pretty true except in the case where a group of 'low status males' can be held up as a victim of 'high status males'. Honestly, I'm starting to see the appeal of communism. It may not make me happy but at least everybody else will be miserable. That or a good war. What else is a disinterested, low value male to do?
Ryan Thomas
Maybe it's a self correcting system.
There will always be those that use money/power to trade with those that are willing to trade for sex, but there's yet another way.
The way of the Ancients.
The way of your Ancestors.
It's called "not being an utterly unattractive human being."
You just have to say "no" to your own impulses and grow out of behaving like a child.
Men get more of a pass if they are physically unattractive than women. All you have to do is not willfully subscribe to low effort thinking and you'll figure out the world, learn to empathize with people and become emotionally mature.
Or you could just think that the notion of simply buying into an idea, attaching it to your world view and then behaving accordingly (the red pill) the way a fat American stuffs his face with any processed shit without reading the label, that's your choice.
It's up to you to decide whether or not you can convince a woman to think your sperm is valuable. It's really that simple.
Grayson Martin
Maybe the article was deleted because it sounds more like /r9k/ than anything remotely scientific?
Dylan Parker
Play video games and jerk off to anime girls? It's not like you can't find ways to make yourself happy.
Jace Turner
>Men get more of a pass if they are physically unattractive than women. All you have to do is not willfully subscribe to low effort thinking and you'll figure out the world, learn to empathize with people and become emotionally mature.
Don't get me wrong, I've no illusions. I'm a fuckup, but there are many others like me. And this doens't stop it describing a genuine social phenomenon. I'd have thought, especially given it is beyond [current year], that it would be an area of research. Is it becoming more common for men (and to lesser degree women) to die virgins? If so what is driving this?
That's basically the reasons given, despite there being two papers published that discuss the topic. I sleuthed this up if you wanna read through the discussion (a discussion that started way back in 2006)
Now be honest. Do you not detect agenda among the deleters?
Ayden Gutierrez
Incel here. I've no interest in ever paying a hooker for sex.
Hunter Rivera
If it wasn't stigmatised as it is, do you think you'd think differently?
Owen Lopez
Sex without the personal connection is just a more expensive, more elaborate form of masturbation.
Kevin Stewart
>love-shyness. What is that?
Luis Ortiz
Autism
Nathan Morales
This usually cures itself by morphing into voluntary celibacy. That is what happened to me
Hudson Collins
Doesn't the mere fact someone bothered to put up a page about it make it a thing? Why EVER delete an article? I can imagine no legitimate reason
Carson Gutierrez
Maybe at a purely mechanical level. But people who'd apply the term to themselves obviously feel there is more importance on having sex that your post acknowledges. You are right in a way though. A big part of muh sex is the social expectation. Most guys probably aren't to keen to tell their friends they've just been of at a brothel. So for those who the biggest issue is their failure to meet social expectation, hookers may not be the answer.
Julian Thompson
this belongs on
Julian Morris
my friend, meet the wikijews.
Go on. Try find this article.
Julian Gutierrez
And yet here it is...
Connor Rivera
This reads like a shitty college writing assignment. It's not good enough to be on wikipedia, in other words. There's no conspiracy. You just can't write.
William Sanders
...
Colton Martinez
Probably not. Call me a beta autist or whatever but I've no interest in ever having sex unless a woman genuinely desires me.
Andrew Price
>implying my article >implying most of wiki isn't written like some shit tier college assignment
Just start with Marcuse and follow the links. Spend too long there and you may start to think you're on a top-tier uncyclopedia page.
Tyler Reed
Without digging too much, do you think your lack of sex has an adverse effect on your life in terms of socialising? Do you feel pressure to have had sex? Do you feel like a loser because you don't get any?
Isaiah Ramirez
incel here my biggest issue is that im only interested in sex once i bust a nut i dont want nothing to do with her i guess a hooker would work but i dont have the dosh for it and i would feel awkward around her
Levi Thompson
>Without digging too much, do you think your lack of sex has an adverse effect on your life in terms of socialising? Yes. I've pretty much given up on all friendships, rarely go outside unless I have to, feel incredibly out of place in social situations. I feel like people just don't want to associate with me.
>Do you feel pressure to have had sex? Somewhat, but that pressures comes more from society than myself, I think.
>Do you feel like a loser because you don't get any? Sure. Not only that but I haven't even kissed or held hands with a girl, so I'm behind 99% of people at this point. Somehow I've failed to do something entirely natural and enjoyable to most people,
Brody Kelly
>i guess a hooker would work but i dont have the dosh for it and i would feel awkward around her
Bear in mind she is a pro. Half her job is putting you at ease.
I'd expect this is typical of most people in the same situation. @ most other posters ITT, how does shutting down discussion help in any way? Even if the root is widescale undiagnosed autism, stopping and ridiculing said discussion won't help sort it, or at least help people understand themselves better.
If you ever decide to hell with it I just want my hole, remember hooking is pretty much legal over here, Adultwork and Vivastreet are your friends.
David Hernandez
shit for social skills, autism, having standards out of line with reality, and putting the pussy on a pedestal.
also fuck off with this thread, we get this garbage posted every freaking day. Go back to /r9k/ it's supposed to be the containment board for this horseshit.
Xavier Price
>we get this garbage posted every freaking day
we do? In what way is it horseshit? Social, cultural or biological phenomenon is it not still worth understanding or at least researching before dismissing?
Jordan Rodriguez
this is a politics board. a bunch of 40 year old Elliot Rogers who can't get their dicks wet because they have terminal autism has nothing to do with politics.
Plus there's like 5 nearly identical threads going on right now. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it looks like we are getting shilled/astroturfed to make this place look like an extreme beta hangout.
Owen Rogers
>terminal autism has nothing to do with politics.
ASPIE LIVES MATTER
>Plus there's like 5 nearly identical threads going on right now. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it looks like we are getting shilled/astroturfed to make this place look like an extreme beta hangout.
I don't see em.
And don't kid yourself into thinking that Sup Forums isn't half mega-betas. I assure you not everyone here is a based Aryan super-soldier.
Jace Wilson
Yeah I know about adultwork. I probably am a bit autistic or something I guess, I accept I'm obviously not perfectly normal
Thomas Young
>and putting the pussy on a pedestal. where does this meme come from? I hardly even interact with women most of the time, certainly nowhere near enough to "orbit" them or whatever
Lucas Robinson
>I accept I'm obviously not perfectly normal
You and me both brah.
Levi Myers
>where does this meme come from? you've never seen this IRL? how old are you?
Lots of inexperienced men think that pandering to women, buying them shit, and generally being Mr. Nice Guy is the way to get laid. Mostly these guys are too sheep like to make a concrete move one way or another, so they think that a nearly endless series of small favors will get them noticed and make the girl like them. Women recognize and take advantage of this.
If you want to get anywhere with women, treating them like special snowflake princesses is only going to make them ignore you or control you. You have to be decisive and you have to be in control of the situation.
A good friend of mine is stuck in a situation like this, and has been for the better part of 5 years. He buys her shit, takes her out to dinner, pays for her drinks, picks up her kid (NOT his) from school, redid the plumbing in her house, fixed her car - and they've fucked maybe once a year. He says they are together, she refuses to admit it.
David Rogers
I've only read about in on here. Like I said I barely interact with women. I'm too tight fisted to buy gifts for them or anything like that and too awkward to really talk to them for very long. Not really interesting in controlling them though, so I guess that doesn't help my chances of losing my kissless virginity anytime soon. I think I'm too awkward to even have a woman treat me like that anyway, kek
John Rivera
sounds like you need to find some drinking buddies, go out some more, and fuck some drunk fat chicks to get some confidence. There's no shame in it, you are just learning what to do.