So, I used to be a researcher. You wouldn’t know me from any publicized study, nor would you know me from anything at all. -All- of my work is secretive. I was an ecological researcher (of climatological study), a threat analyst, and a statistical analyst. I studied and analyzed - other studies - of our changing environment. I created assessment profiles of actions to take in order to manage risk, respond to crises, and, for the most part, project outcomes.
I’m at a position in my life now where I have a great deal of freedom. Not the ability to do nothing, just, freedom. I also happen to be, incidentally, connected to certain channels of knowledge and power. More specifically, the pinnacle of men with knowledge and power. Men who were responsible for my employment. This isn’t to say I have inner knowledge of any specific plots, or the machinations of dubious magical cults, or anything. I do, however, have a great understanding of the big picture.
So, I am here with the desire to talk about a specific topic. Something that is cardinal above the rest of my knowledge. Something I want to share out of a state of pure apathy, a state in which I have been in for quite a while now.
Yes, I know, I’m being horribly dramatic about all this.
Basically, it’s this; we’re all dead in under two decades. Give or take five years or so. We have hit far too many positive feedback loops in the climate system, and are heading towards total ecological collapse. Possible total extinction of the biosphere is on the table too. The simple cause of all this? Methane. Methane in the form of crystalline solids (Clathrate, Hydrate) in the sediment of the East Siberian Shelf, Laptev Shelf, and Kara Shelf. Also, in the Siberian North, in the form of methanogenic archaea (microorganisms that produce methane) trapped in permafrost.
P.S. If we can stay on the topic of our impending doom due to the Clathrate gun, that’d be great. I may have the freedom to talk about our extinction, sadly, I do not have that same freedom to talk about my employers.
P.P.S. Here’s a presentation by one of the leading researchers of the Siberian Arctic. Something to set the mood. I suggest you watch the entirety of the video, think of it as a crash course to get you started.
Is Siberian permafrost melting the biggest Methane contributor?
I saw some user posting shit about methane pockets under the sea/near north pole melting down releasing some sea/ice-trapped methane huge amounts
Jacob Russell
The important question is "are (((they))) behind it and why?"
Gabriel Williams
Complete blank slate when it comes to this topic.
What positive feedback loops have we hit? What will cause us to all die in 5 years?
Xavier Rogers
are there any way to stop it or are we just fucked?
Nathaniel Ward
>Basically, it’s this; we’re all dead in under two decades
Stopped reading.
Aiden Scott
> This is how the world ends. > Not with a bang, but > an enormous, > ghastly > fart >.
Julian Reyes
What's the DEAL with Hitler?
Also, do the people running things only seek more power, or do they have big plans for how humanity should change in the next 100 years?
Nathaniel Jackson
So, your professional opinion, what is the best course of action for all: a) only all developed countries implement leaf level environmentalism and nothing else b) only all developed countries implement leaf level environmentalism and holocaust developing countries c) holocaust against all non-green activities in all countries d) who cares about green policies, underground biospheres for all e) nuclear war to induce nuclear winter
Joshua Bennett
bullshit
Jaxson Gonzalez
Cool story bro. Post credentials or fuck off to /x/ with your pseudo-intellectual nonsense.
Nicholas Lewis
>So, I used to be a researcher. You wouldn’t know me from any publicized study, nor would you know me from anything at all. Maybe it's because you aren't shit but a retard who just read about this and now want to do your shitty /x/ scaremongering.
If there's any global warming to be done - it was already fucking done, we live in warmest period on Earth yet.
Wyatt Rodriguez
o dude you're so fucking sick you got such DANK research senpai please share it
not like i couldn't go on google and have learned this all already
fucking retarded roleplaying burgers
Jaxson Lopez
>Is Siberian permafrost melting the biggest Methane contributor?
It will become a major contributor as the global average temperature rises, but, no. Most of the projected methane release will be from the ocean sediment heating and releasing trapped clathrate solids.
>What positive feedback loops have we hit?
Due to the effects of polar amplification, the average arctic albedo has been lowered far below the threshold of permanent summer sea ice. We no longer have the protective coating of arctic ice to protect the -very shallow- arctic continental shelf region from heating. The sediment below the surface heats, and releases methane from the trapped clathrates (frozen, under pressure). Since the average depth of this region is only 50-100m deep (the average of the rest of the global ocean being 3000-5000m deep), the floor of the ocean heats much quicker than elsewhere.
>What will cause us to all die in 5 years? Phytoplankton dying off due to increased ocean temperature. This is brought on by methane, which is 50-100x more powerful, as a greenhouse gas, than CO2. As a side note, with the projected amount of release of methane due to these ongoing effects, average land temperature could be 40-50c above the yr.1880 mean.
We're fucked.
Joseph Lopez
Retards that think utterly raping Earth's biosphere will have absolutely no consequences aside, do these men in power do anything about this or is everyone aware suicidal? And please be specific and analytical, not generalizing and apathetic, so others here can replicate your research using your guidelines. Unless of course you are a troll.
Another Malthusian in another heavily subsidized industry.
Life is full of surprizes.
Justin Gutierrez
Should I stop saving money and blow it all on coke and traveling?
Lincoln Howard
Why do you seem so impressed with yourself?
This information is perfectly common.
Can you demonstrate expertise on anything that isn't google-able?
Hudson Wood
fuck, thanks. Great food for thought. Do we have any buffer system to contain that shit, natural or manmade? It's about methane, not co2.
Elijah Jones
40c....u fucking wot
Liam Lee
its about the earth heating up and dying, bimbo. Super scientists cant agree on jack by looking at limited slices of the biosphere. It is all a game for meh research money.
Enjoy OP BS.
Jonathan Martinez
>So, your professional opinion, what is the best course of action for all: c) holocaust against all non-green activities in all countries
Won't help. That's just what I'd do.
I wish it were.
>do these men in power do anything about this? Sadly, human understanding and knowledge is still limited actually researching and documenting the climate change process. We never understood what we were getting into with fossil fuels. Not until it was too late.
>is everyone aware suicidal? I can't speak for personal thoughts on peoples reaction to this subject, however, I can say that most people I've informed of the subject are generally shocked about their impending death.
>Fucking idiot burger. Leaf.
Have as much fun as possible.
>Can you demonstrate expertise on anything that isn't google-able? Sadly, no.
>Do we have any buffer system to contain that shit, natural or manmade? The dangerous thing about feedback loop systems are that they are completely out of your control. Not only that, we're locked-in to a certain amount of heating from the CO2 already introduced to the climate. The heating from that alone has already taken us over the tipping point.
There are some geoengineering projects to pump aerosols into the atmosphere, this would reflect sunlight, and lessen heating. This is only a temporary fix. Despite advances with consolidating CO2 into solids directly from atmosphere, we have no such technology for dealing with Methane.
Elijah Parker
What about THF hydrates?
Kevin Taylor
> do we have a system go protect us from OP's bullshit?
sadly, no.
Jose Rodriguez
Nice role play
Adrian Morales
A feedback loop of this nature will not be atmospheric, it will cause an acidification sink in the oceans and accelerate that theoretic gun. Forget heightened land temps the ocean will be to acidic to support life.
You're role playing. Fuck off troll
Jonathan Wilson
can't we just send 100,000 of our best to Antarctica with lab-grown meat powered by nuclear plants when that happens?
I really doubt humans will go extinct, especially if we have a few years to plan for it.
Michael Lee
>Retarded climate scientist >There's no university that requires any science knowledge higher than basic remedial garbage science in order to become a climatologist. >Otherwise there wouldn't be retards pedalling the greenhouse effect, which was a 19th century poppycock hypothesis that tried to explain why the atmosphere holds heat at night, which as later obsoleted by the particle wave duality of light. >Greenhouse effect ignores quantization >Greenhouse effect would work both ways. >Would only work on infrared photons of very specific wavelengths. i.e. temperature. >For example Carbon Dioxide absorption spectrum roughly falls around 15 degrees Celsius. Infrared light emitted from a surface that is 20 degrees Celsius would not be absorbed by carbon dioxide. Infrared Light emitted from a Surface that is 14.99999999999999999999 degrees Celsius would not be absorbed. >Basically ignore anybody who claims to be a climatologist. It is an art-school major.
Isaac Nguyen
>What about THF hydrates? Tetrahydrofuran Clathrate formations are comprised of two (or more) elements. One of which is usually always Carbon.
It's another system of positive feedback due to heating.
>can't we just send 100,000 of our best to Antarctica with lab-grown meat powered by nuclear plants when that happens? The scale of this project would be the issue. Any project sufficiently large to tackle this problem would, invariably, cause even more feedback returns. Using the systems that are causing our death to try and prevent it isn't a realistic solution.
Nathaniel James
> The scale of this project would be the issue.
The scale of your bullshit is an issue.
Jonathan Harris
Also the broofs is in the total glacial mass.
Total glacial mass on the planet has decreased which is a good indicator that the system has indeed gained a significant amount of energy.
But that's not even the whole story. The Antarctic glacial mass has actually increased while the total has decreased. Which is a significant piece of knowledge.
The other significant piece of knowledge is that the majority of the temperature anomalies that are recorded happen in the mid spring to early summer months.
It's pretty fucking obvious that's what happening is that our agricultural practices have disrupted atmospheric moisture patterns which normally would be carrying some of the heat to Antarctica during the spring. But because there are large swaths of unplanted land right as plants begin their evapotranspiration cycles there's moisture that should be there but isn't.
The only way to fix global warming is for massive large-scale agricultural reform.
Zachary Campbell
>40c....u fucking wot
Sorry, I missed your post there. Yes, surprisingly. The total amount of Methane in the atmosphere, right now, is 6-7 gigatonnes (1900 ppb). The total amount of methane in clathrate deposits (in the arctic continental shelf region) is around 1500-2500 gigatonnes.
If you'd like to know the effects of a release of this magnitude, check out the P-T extinction event.
Blake Gomez
but it would work.
An intelligent, trained population could survive the blistering heat and death of a lot of species.
We'd just have to set up camp and hope nothing fucks up too bad.
Jack Cruz
>this meme again
Robert Robinson
Crops.
Where do we grow our food to sustain ourselves? Crops have a limited tolerable range of temperature resistance. Every 1c we advance, we add 10% more volatility to crop yields. Some years may be cooler, yes. Effects from climate systems such as La Nina can have positive effects, temporarily. The problem is we'll never not be advancing in temperature.
There are some arguments that moving the breadbasket areas further north to compensate may work, however, places such as Canada have extremely depleted topsoil (sheer volume/nitrogen/ammonia content).
Isaac Murphy
I am the Oracle of knowledge. I see all past, present and future. What OP posted is problematic but not the end. Like many predictions of doomsday before, this one will also pass, nothing will change.
The wheel of fate will continue to turn without remorse.
Ryder Thompson
>Can you demonstrate expertise on anything that isn't google-able? >Sadly, no.
Nice Larping. I rate 4/10 for giving us more time and providing a pretty reasonable cause of death. Still 4/10 for little serious information and being overtly "secretic". This sort of research aren't even secret.
Jose James
lab grown meat fool.
Worst case scenario, keep a cockroach farm and live off roach shakes and multivitamins for a few decades.
Luke Moore
>lab grown meat
Scale, again.
This route requires certain technologies to exist for production. There are synthetic additives used during the culturing process that require industrial support to produce. Xanthan gum would be an example.
Samuel Thompson
>For example Carbon Dioxide absorption spectrum roughly falls around 15 degrees Celsius. Infrared light emitted from a surface that is 20 degrees Celsius would not be absorbed by carbon dioxide. Infrared Light emitted from a Surface that is 14.99999999999999999999 degrees Celsius would not be absorbed. Ever heard of line broadening (caused by e.g. particle movement and gas pressure) or Planck's law?
Zachary Gomez
underground gum orchards.
we'll figure it out, bro.
Matthew Adams
If any of you faggots here are denying this is a problem, I would suggest reading up on some geological history.
This was the most devastating event for life in Earth's history by far. There's evidence to indicate it went down like this: >Runaway climate change occured due to a massive spike in volcanic activity >The earth opened up and Methane poured into the air >Atmosphere and oceans became 90% poisonous >96% of all life on Earth was wiped out >The planet took 10 million years to recover
It doesn't mean shit if man-made climate change is a hoax, this is happening. And unless we do something about it we're fucked.
Lucas Nelson
>If you'd like to know the effects of a release of this magnitude, check out the P-T extinction event.
oh it's the worst one earth ever had Great
Liam Moore
cool, but we don't have decades mate. we don't even have 5 years
>average land temperature could be 40-50c above the yr.1880 mean.
I knew it.
Joseph Bennett
we already know about methane clathrate
and we dont care about it
the earths temperature has historically been much higher than it is right now, and animals were perfectly healthy back then, they were actually much bigger than they are right now.
Dominic Bailey
Yes, the Permian-Triassic event was scary. For a while we didn't understand that methane was even the source of the runaway heating. Methane doesn't last long enough in the atmosphere to be studied in arctic ice core data. It binds-off too easily with other compounds after being in the atmosphere for 10-15 years. It showed up, wiped everything out, then left.
Joseph Morgan
>Cosmetologist. The only "scientific" "discipline" that "Gender Studies" branches into.
David Phillips
oh hai
Lincoln Stewart
>So,
Fuck off
James Adams
why not just release a bunch of shit that binds to methane over the methane deposits?
nip that shit in the bud?
Parker Young
>muh positive feedback
Noah Edwards
Guess the Jews going on about childfree life and such was just them trying to help us avoid wasting our final moments.
Truly the greatest of allies.
Thomas Bennett
It seems as if we do live in 'interesting times'.
Andrew Wood
OP?
btw, pol.foundation redirects to this thread this is it, the apocalypse
Jackson Brown
The study of neutrinos isn't something I am familiar with.
As far as nuclear attacks against Euro/US targets by Isis, it's a possibility.
Camden Reed
As Obama alluded to, ISIS is only JV. We are going to war with Russia soon; it will unleash "climate change" that will make these otherwise relatively slow, "natural" processes seem like a walk in the park.
the study of neutrinos is not the point. the point is a safe haven.
Very interesting and informative thread. Enjoyed very much, lovely stuff. Fantastic.
Eli Ortiz
Shill piece of shit.
Jordan Smith
>Basically, it’s this; we’re all dead in under two decades. So what you are saying is, we should elect Hillary and start slinging nukes at each other?
Asher Reed
If you'd like more information, check out the following scientists:
Philip Fearnside Peter Wadhams Jennifer Francis
These are some of the leading researchers in the Arctic.
Ayden Hughes
>The simple cause of all this? Methane. And how will the next Maunder Minimum (mini ice age) affect this? Due to hit in the next 20 years or so.
Isaiah Bailey
>And how will the next Maunder Minimum (mini ice age) affect this? Any effects of a solar minimum would be minimal. Greenhouse gases work just as they imply, they trap heat. We would be compensating for the loss of external heat generation with increased storage potential of the heat we receive.
>Due to hit in the next 20 years or so. >20 years or so We'll be dead by then.
Levi Clark
Makes you wonder just how easily it would be to jump start a moon or planet high in methane, to a suitable temperature and climate for life, further away from the sun.
Should send a few nukes out to Oberon or Saturn. Blow up and start a reaction to the methane to heat up the moon/planet, and along with the nukes send bacteria and water, and some vegetable seeds/saplings.
Then we fly in and there's our colonies.
Jackson Ortiz
>we should elect Hillary and start slinging nukes at each other? That only seems like it would exacerbate the problem.
David Gray
what if we drop nuclear bombs into the bottom of the ocean to destroy the methane before it comes out?
Joshua Hernandez
Gazprom here. Dont worry OP, all the Methan does belong to us.
Austin Clark
>what if we drop nuclear bombs into the bottom of the ocean to destroy the methane before it comes out?
All that would do is make it worse, faster.
One of the theories for why the methane released during the P-T extinction was a landslide that upset hundreds of gigatonnes of clathrates. This brought them out of their stability zone, leading to their release into the atmosphere.
Ryan Perez
but wasnt the global warming expected to continue because we are comming out of a little ice age?
Isaac Rodriguez
So if i got it right, methane will warm the planet and that will cause extinction.
>We are going to war with Russia soon That's Hillary. At least trump says "I can work with the Russian's."
I'm getting tired of protecting all those pussies in Europe. I think we side with the Russians if they attack Europe.
Jeremiah Gomez
Trump is a Russian plant
it doesn't matter who's president. we are going to war, full stop. and it won't stop in Europe
get ready
Mason Lee
>phytoplankton dying off to increased ocean temperature
but hasn earth been warmer than this for long periods of time? how did the oceans work back then when the methane wasnt sealed in ice? doesnt life on earth flourish when its hot?
Anthony Collins
>So if i got it right, methane will warm the planet and that will cause extinction.
What causes our death is the ceasing of production of oxygen from phytoplankton (80% of our oxygen supply), and complete breakdown of the food chain.
Caleb Murphy
exactly, that's why i spoke about Iron Fertilization. Just read the wiki >Iron Fertilization is the intentional introduction of iron to the upper ocean to stimulate a phytoplankton bloom
Anthony Hall
>it doesn't matter who's president. we are going to war, full stop. and it won't stop in Europe do u think if this nation explodes into civil strife we'd still start WWIII? because lets face it, we are on Russia's borders, they're NOT on ours
Caleb Collins
On a serious note why OP is roleplaying faggot
1) Sybirian arctic territories indeed have lot of methan in permafrost areas. However its wrong to think that methan is stored everywhere there - only in permafrost swamps: which are while big territory, are not all permafrost area, nor are all swamps the "permafrost" ones - lots of natural which woudnt be affected too. 2) Swams store HUGE amount of methane. HOWEVER, the depth of the swamps is HUGE also, and a lot of methane is contained on large depth. Global warming, would do fucking nothing to it. At highest recorded temperatures max 1.5m depth of permafrost layer was actually affected - fucking nothing. There would need to be vulcanic activity/heating of earth core for it to actually do something to permafrost areas on large scale. 3) The melting swamps, are self regulating the temperature effects by actually storing atmospheric CO2 as well, when melt turning into lakes, which in turn increases amount of vapor - which in turn lowers the temperature.
So nothing going to happen any soon aside from Russia getting filthy rich harvesting methan from the depth as well some of our permafrost territories becoming more inhabbitable, because the top 1-1.5 layer of earth might melt.
Owen Price
This is what's going to happen. The shadow government knows the world is fucked.
They tried slowing it down with Chem trails, they failed.
The only way to save humanity is nuclear winter. This will slow down climate change, and give them more time.
Grayson Davis
Thank you based Russia, it was obvious that OP was a role playing faggot but it's nice to hear real explanations like the ones you have shared.
Luis Lewis
>So nothing going to happen any soon aside from Russia getting filthy rich harvesting methan from the depth problem solved, and people are making money and very happy.
Dominic Moore
anyone?
Logan Gonzalez
>they're NOT on ours
you'd be surprised.
read the links eg;
>AP found that smugglers are explicitly targeting buyers who are enemies of the West.
>Tests of the uranium seized confirmed that it was high-grade material that could be used in a nuclear bomb.
>The man behind the bomb-grade uranium deal was Alexandr Agheenco, known as "the colonel" to his cohorts. He had both Russian and Ukrainian citizenship...
>Moldovan officials say there were indications from a foreign intelligence agency that the colonel fled with his infant son through Ukraine to Russia shortly after the bust.
>Russia’s decision to send long-range strategic bombers on regular patrol missions across the Gulf of Mexico is unprecedented, a senior U.S. military official said Wednesday, claiming that the country has never done so before – even during the Cold War.
>Earf is 6 gorillion years old >Earf has suffered many cataclysmic ends of epochs and bounced back >Humins will kill earf
No.
Daniel Jones
>So, I used to be a researcher.
TL "I am a freshman environmental sciences student"
Alexander Baker
Best counter measure is to trigger Yellowstone with a moderate nuke afterwards we should get rid of the americans in first place plus their high meat production and consumption + extra bonus the ash will cover the globe and reflecting sun energy.
That should give us at least a few years to figure out how and where to leave this methan shitfest.
AMIRIGHT?
Joshua Kelly
good, Humanity is becoming too degenerate
Joshua Watson
On a topic of Global warming/Climat change.
Its happening. Its best observed and felt in a huge country like ours, and theres absolutely no point denying it.
However all the doom saying tied with it are just panic making. In fact, the effects are positive.
Aside from higher number of forest burns, the actual effects of global warming for us so far were 1) More accissibility for Syberian/Asian areas. More access to resources, including the ocean. 2) Opening of Arctic sea paths. 3) Rise in temperatures at sourth affecting the crops as OP mentioned in one post. However that turned to be no problem at all, people adjusted very fast for different cultures, while much larger territories became better suited for agriculture and atm we are exporting grains and thanks to warming our agriculture grows steadily. 4) Much less costs that are tied to cold clima. Warmer weather affected pretty much all fields of life positively - from not needting to rebuild roads every year, heating costs, tourism etc.
So even if current process actually will lead to something like say ocean level rise (highly unlikely and exxagerated just as Syberian methane threat) and turns some countries into new Atlantis - we dont fucking care, and intend to enjoy the ride because right now, and this century - everything it brings to us are positives: the troubles that ensure (and there are some - crops as mentioned above, diseases in Syberia, animal/insect life changes etc) are nothing that on practice coudnt be adapted to easily.
Ayden Walker
even all that is but a tiny fraction of the provocation that USA has been perpetually doing to Russia. Imagine if Russia had warships and warplanes in/over every ocean and landmass across all the globe, troops garrisoned in every country, and regularly conducted exercises where they simulated fighting against your military. Constantly making popular movies about fighting you and winning. Publicly calling you evil and vowing to stop every international action you are involved in. Blocking your trade and trying to intervene in all your domestic and international affairs. Did you imagine it? Good, now you know how a Russian feels when he looks out his window every day and sees you.
Jaxon Wood
It was much warmer in the past, how do you explain that this mass extinction scenario by Methane did not occure back then.
Kevin Allen
magnets
Kevin Turner
>present day not included
Nathaniel Bell
Because no one could use it to push a political agenda back then.
Kevin Murphy
we are keeping the peace. Russia is selling nukes to jihadists. they have a death/kill wish
there is no equivalence
we call them like we see them
we are positioning ourselves with the awareness of Russia's activities in mind
this conflict has been brewing for more than half a century, btw. it is basically mutual at this point
Aaron King
that said, Russians will survive the apocalypse too; just be cool
live and let live
Matthew Perez
Nuke the methane deposits. They'll burn into inert gasses
Sebastian Sanchez
>and don't miss the part where Russia is arming Hezbollah, Iran, Assad, etc. you are so one sided. and who have we been arming? yes TPTB will get us into a major war, maybe WWIII, but it will be to default on our debt, and hide all the fraud, theft and corruption by our sitting officials. we don't need to be on the other side of the world protecting someone else's border. don't you ever get tired of that?
i'm an old man now. we have been at war my whole fucking life, think about that. so FUCK those psychopaths in Wash DC.
