Has anyone here ever gone from to the right-wing to the left-wing?
Do you know anyone who has?
I'm more interested in Nationalists who became Multiculturalists or Leftists, not so much Conservatives who became Liberal.
Do you know of any examples? Google has thousands of articles about the opposite (from left to right) but I still haven't found one from right-wing to left-wing.
People tend to grow out of neo-nazi tribalism at a pretty young age. By the time you've grown out of it, you were too young to have done anything to participate in it, in the first place. Which is why only retarded, inbred adults represent nationalists.
But yes, plenty of people grow out of it as adults, too. Mostly ex-cons. Go read the story of basically any former gang member who was successfully rehabilitated.
It happens very infrequently since multiculturalism/Leftism is the dominant ideology.
Defecting from decadent establishments to become rebels generally can only happen if you're not already in charge.
The idea of a nationalist suddenly deciding
"I have suddenly decided the Establishment was right about everything!"
Just doesn't really happen.
Piss off.
I've never known it to happen. I've only ever seen people go from left wing to right wing.
the majority of gang members are gisbmedat democrat voting niggers and spics.
>People tend to grow out of neo-nazi tribalism
every race is tribalistic except whites
Grow up in a small Canadian town. Mostly liberals with some conservatives. The conservatives go to university for one year and come back complete sjw brainwashed crazy
Do you know how annoying Canadian environmentalists are?
I dont think it works like that.
People begin by bing indoctrinated about peace love and coexistence from an early age, but anyone with a mind of their own will soon see this for the fallacy it is - an impossiblity caused by human nature itself. After that you start to lean right more and more, some people (the idiots) go too far and go full kill all niggers race war now mode and the rest are for a homogenous society for every race and nation.
You literally cannot go back to being left, it would be some Orwell-tier mental gymnastics.
There is no going back after swallowing the red pill.
>every race is tribalistic except whites
absolute nonsense
Most "nazis" I've ever meet IN REAL LIFE were teenagers who hated blacks and gypsies and fetishized the Third Reich. That's not to say the Leftists are any better.
The most intelligent (not interesting or funny or artistic or empathetic) people I've ever meet tend to be right-wingers who are, from a leftist perspective, a bit racist, but they don't like the authoritarian, conservative BS coming from the nazis. Many of them are even gay.
And ex-cons come from a different reality. In prison if you're not a "racist" you're dead. Of course in the outside world some of them manage to let go of their prejudices but it doesn't mean they came to their previous positions by thinking about it, but by living it.
You won't find examples of this because the mind move forward, not backward. Becoming redpilled isn't some glorious accomplishment, it's more of a fucking burden. Some days I actually convince myself it would be better to just go back and stay willfully ignorant, to go back to the simple time of being a normie.
It's gonna sound edgy and retarded, but it's really depressing when all your friends your entire life are willfully ignorant normies. I'm starting to lose my connection with a lot of them. People I've known for nearly half my life. And the fucked up thing is, I don't care. Yeah I enjoy being around friends I've had my entire life sometimes, but being around willful ignorance all the time really fucks with your head after a while.
do you think the chinese would let whites immigrate to their country and become professors and take over the media and tell young chinese that they were privileged and that they must be flooded by millions of muslims and become a minority and that their extinction is a good thing?
What you consider "far right" is just basic common sense and policy in the rest of the world. If you tried guilt tripping shitskins and telling them they needed to become a minority in their own country they would push a stick up your arse faster than you can say blimey.
I was left then I became right.
Then again, I think that's most of Sup Forums
This guy Corey Robin wrote a book about conservatives that went left. A handful of literal nobodies really.
lists.village.virginia.edu
He writes in this article about en.wikipedia.org
used to be 1488 in high school, am social democrat now
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most right wing intellectuals these days are increasingly becoming anti-capitalist.
The more time passes the more likely you are to have interacted with a negro thus becoming right wing is only natural. Some become right wing faster than others but given the time everyone will be
I'm not turning left by any means but every single day for the last 2 years I feel less and less of a Sup Forumsack.
I'm letting go of the venom. I've been attacked by blacks before, assaulted by gypsies but I've also met a lot of great ones. But I am a racist and don't feel ashamed of it. I just don't hate non-whites. I only feel HATRED towards the left who refuses to treat them as human beings and continues to treat them as subhumans who can't be held up to the same standards as whites.
I am anti-racist at heart and I meet whites and jews everyday who are SICK TO DEATH of blacks and mexicans using racist rhetoric supposedly for anti-racist purposes. The whole "End Racism, Kill Whites!" bullshit is seriously gonna bite them in the ass one day.
I stopped being one of them some 7 or 8 years ago. Yet I can't help but feel this place is filled with pasty virgin nerds who are afraid of blacks and just don't have sex. Yes, it's a personal attack. Fuck you. It's what I see.
>do you think the chinese would
If they like the West had a chokehold on the entire world to the extent where they were able to do such things as a means of magnanimous, passive assertions of superiority. What other country do you know possesses such strength that they can literally invite the enemy in and treat them with benevolence besides those in the West? This is not a reflection of white people's character (especially as a good amount of white people oppose to this) but just a display of strength which sits among the other indicators of a strong country.
Remember there was a time in history where every non-white country was under the foot of the white man. And what was the white man doing during this time? Fighting with the other white man about who gets what - even starting the worst wars the world has ever seen over it. This is precisely what I'd call being tribal - white men are in no way exempt.
You need to understand what tongue-in-cheek means, bantz and general Sup Forums board culture.
If you start a "without memeing what are your real beliefs" or "do you really hate blacks" thread you will see that most people have normal coherent thoughts that aren't kill niggers.
Thanks for this post. Really appreciated.
>A handful of literal nobodies really.
Reading the first paragraphs I can immediately recognize people like Lind or Arianna Huffington.
And John Gray is very influential on the Animal Rights movement.
>am social democrat now
Is your SD party center-right like in my country? Neo-liberal, if you will?
I was right wing as a teen, now I'm pretty left leaning in my mid-20's.
It's pretty common in real life in my experience. You're right wing when you're ignorant about how the world works, left wing when you start figuring how things really work.
Fuck off /leftypol/ cuck.
>given the time everyone will be
Ah... the good old "Churchill" quote.
>ACCORDING TO POPULAR MYTH it was Winston Churchill who said, "any man under
thirty who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over thirty who is not a conservative has no brains." He didn't say it, but his imprimatur turned a clever quip of uncertain provenance into an axiom of political biography: Radicalism is a privilege of youth, conservatism a responsibility of age, and every thinking person eventually surrenders the first for the second. From Max Eastman to Eugene Genovese, Whittaker Chambers to Ronald Radosh, intellectuals migrate from left to right almost as if obeying a law of nature.
>Or do they? After all, John Stuart Mill published his feminist classic The Subjection of Women when he was sixty-three. In the last ten years of his life, Diderot blasted France as the reincarnation of imperial Rome and hailed the American Revolution as a repudiation of European tyranny. And when George Bernard Shaw addressed the question of politics and aging, he suggested just the opposite of what Churchill is supposed to have said: "The most distinguished persons," Shaw wrote in 1903, "become more revolutionary as they grow older."
lists.village.virginia.edu
>"Conservatives will talk as if there is a right-wing gene which, like male-pattern baldness, manifests itself with age. The US leftist-turned-neocon Irving Kristol set the pattern for the pattern-baldness theory of politics when he opined that a conservative is a liberal who has been ‘mugged by reality’. He did not understand that the effects of reality’s many muggings are never predictable, or that facts of life are not always, as Margaret Thatcher claimed, conservative. If they were, we would still have feudalism."
spectator.co.uk
The only places where people turn into lefties from righties are those in which crony capitalism is rampant, like Argentina was for example. Then after actually experiencing leftism in practice (eg getting tossed out of airplanes), the population shifts back right.
You can't be a leftist and have an empathetic understanding of the human mind/spirit.
Lol dumbass it was Chile and Pinochet was a right wing authoritarian who turned his nation into a dictatorship and threw leftists out of helicopters.
This is why you're right wing, you straight up don't know what you're talking about.
>being cuckolded into submission by shitskins is a display of strength
kekked heartily
>This is precisely what I'd call being tribal
slaughtering your kinfolk on behalf of the jews is hardly tribal
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Oy vey
I'll bite kike. Tell me about "how the world works". Tell me how multiculturalism and globalism is the true path to enlightenment.
>doesn't know about the dirty war
it's when leftists were curbstomped into oblivion
He wasn't referring to to prison dwelling neo-nazi's you fucking kike shill. I see what you are doing.
I once read something interesting (can't recall where) about how conservatives love VERTICALLY while liberals love HORIZONTALLY.
What that means is that conservatives extend their love to their common ancestors and children (preserving monuments; tradition; past+future) while liberals extend their love to every human being on the planet and, indeed, sometimes every living thing (animals, plants), so they're more present-oriented (fighting for equality; eternal revolution; values are not eternal; empathy).
Or you are just a kike shill. Fuck off.
This is bullshit m8
>60 years old
>The only places where people turn into lefties from righties
Sweden was very racist (eugenics, sterilization...) up until the 80's.
I used to be a British fascist now I'm an egoist.
>leftist ideas are inherently globalism
So if I believe in social democracy I'm a globalist automatically? Good one.
>everyone who disagrees with me is a shill
Intellectual powerhouse over here.
I went from Finnish NS to anti-Islam multiracialist cultural isolationist.
You're a prime example of people trying to find the center
> less and less of a Sup Forumsack
you're still come back periodically like I did to test the waters
>Which is why only retarded, inbred adults represent nationalists.
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>talking about right and left in cultural terms and not economical
BLUEPILLED AF
You are a shill, you faggots make Is pathetically obvious. Kill yourself.
I used to be a very conservative Christian, then I went Libertarian agnostic mode, then I went more liberal agnostic mode, now I lean much further right after being exposed to facts and statistics on a range of topics from general crime facts to the Holocaust.
I was a fascist when I was 13 until about 18 or so.
After travelling, as a journalist trough most of the middle east and about all of Europe, I turned pretty centrist and apolitical.
Now I'm 25 and the only political position I support and vote for is center-right economics. On the rest I don't care.
liberal faggot you will die like the rest
i love you, be safe famalam
Can you tell us how that happened? Are you just a meme master?
Most anarchists tend to disagree with me on Stirner. I think he was pretty clear about having no "spooks" (religion, ideology...) but somehow leftists have managed to transform him into a feminist powerhouse who's all about "personal empowerment".
I've read his only book two times and was amazed by his eloquence of thought. But the more I thought about his philosophy, the more flaws I found.
Interesting asides:
-Did you know that Karl Marx's refutation of Max Stirner's book, called "Saint Max", was bigger than the book itself and, actually, bigger than Stirner's entire bibliography?
-Did you also know that Max Stirner was married to a woman he never once had sex with?
-And another who was so emotionally abused she became a nun?
OK, the last one is kinda Alpha, but marrying a woman you're disgusted by tells me that he, much like Nietzsche, were pussies in real life.
Not that it says anything about the quality of his work. Just gossip and trivia.
I've been here since 2013 you dumbass. You just refuse to engage someone with different ideas than you because god forbid you get proven wrong.
Also, the shills here are not the ones promoting social democracy.
Doesn't happen unless they've had a brain injury or gotten old and scared.
>social democracy
Only works if you have a small population. Democracy is hugely flawed, mainly because you can't please all of the people all of the time and because you can only vote on meme issues, anything of actual importance you don't get a say in. It's the illusion of freedom, a dictatorship (of sorts) is the best option, but again it also has its flaws, if you have someone like Stalin in charge you're fucked.
I just think it's not human nature for it to happen that way. There's a reason the Churchill quote about liberal at 20 and conservative at 40 is so popular. You grow up and realize paying taxes isn't fun, people generally get the life they deserve, and other cultures are annoying as shit.
Not to say you can't remain a leftist, but getting older is just a long slide to the right no matter where you started
Well then you are a fucking retard. Because only a shill or retard would promote Social Democracy. Did you support that kike shill sanders as well?
>a democracy is a dictatorship
You've won gold in mental gymnastics.
Take a step back, look at your post.
This is not how intelligent people react to different views or formulate thoughts.
Shill more faggot.
Some people are just too stupid and paranoid to have a meaningful conversation with. You are hopeless.
Your on Sup Forums, what do you expect?
>that kike shill sanders
You're the kind of people who calls Obama Obummer.
>Hurr durr I just call him a nigger xD
That edge....
Fair enough.
You might be principled and then reject principles for some particular situation applying to yourself. Usually pussy.
Stalin was a Georgian nationalist then proceeded to become the World's Greatest Commie
So i guess
you're fine by me m8
I was raised to be left leaning. I was a white minority k-12. I have a lot of right opinions but even with the knowledge that multiculturalism doesnt work i still in a way embrace the city i live in. I find that being a skeptic and playing devils advocate will skew you towards rightism
Actually there's this guy named Gianfranco Fini. He was the leader of the Movimento Sociale Italiano, a quasi-fascist right wing party. During the 90s, after he made an alliance with Berlusconi, he was less and less a right winger. Finally in the early 2000s he made a famous statement calling fascism and nazism "absolute evils". This made him elected to the presidency of the Italian chamber of deputies, but costed him a lot in terms of support from his party, which disappeared by merging with Berlusconi's party. If I remember correctly he also went to Israel and wore the kippah.
If you ask me he wanted to build a stronger support (even among the left and center left) in order to get elected to a even higher position, but he failed miserably and is now politically irrelevant.
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