Should the Internet be a utility or a commodity?

Should the Internet be a utility or a commodity?

theres free internet at the library

commodity

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hell, most schools have computers that kids can use, they dont even have to go to the library

commodity. the internet was amazing before the normies shitted it up as it became easier to access.

why is the background colors ukraine

IntErnest should be restricted to tax paying families. It would be a reward for being a contributing member of society.

This, and even the slowest internet is like 14 bucks well affordable if the parent is not a degenerate.

the library is for playing runescape not studying

I once saw some shit about "blacks can't read to their kids because books cost money". They will find the lamest fucking excuse to not do work.

yes

This is 100% true. I miss chat rooms where you could meet other teenagers and hookup and fuck. Those were the good old days.

Honestly at this point it should be a utility but you'll get everyone here going "in my day we this and that!"

Fucking electricity was a commodity at one point. Time moves on. As it does it'll be harder and harder to even survive without internet. Hell, even a computation device of some sort is a necessity in this day and age. Internet should be a utility. Better to change it now than wait until it's a problem.

This

After my dad banned me from his computer for watching porn all the time, I did my homework at the library

If I can do it, so can poorfags

Really makes me think.

Let's see, 85% of students have access to internet in their homes and 70% of teachers assign homework that requires internet.

Seems about right to me.

In grade school? I never had, and have never heard of, getting homework that required internet access.
In college and university? Fucking naturally.

It's a good thing that 100% of free public libraries have high speed internet then.

Says high speed, how many kids do not have internet at all?

I grew up in the middle of nowhere. I lived pretty far away from a library internet wasn't even a possibly to get at my house. Every single teacher I had in middle and high school assigned work that required internet. There wasn't a single teacher that didn't dedicated time during class for students to work on said work on computers at school

>Should the Internet be a utility or a commodity?
A utility.

The free market has nothing to gain by making data connections better, cheaper and reliable when they can hide behind cartel collusion and the massive entrance costs to protect their poor business models.

The benefit from fast and cheap data is far higher to the economy and society than the profits a few providers make.

My winter home is in a rural area that only gets satellite internet. They advertise 15mbps which is nothing these days but you're lucky if you can even get like 300kbps on average. It reminds me
of dial up. They tell you not to stream video and even if you got the advertised speeds (which I guess would require nobody else using the damn thing since bandwidth is shared) there is a 10gb monthly cap.

The cell phone provider is not a major carrier and their data is faster but far more expensive. Still probably gonna consider them.

My point is that I don't think teachers should assume normal internet access at home. My kids shouldn't have to go to mcdonalds 30 minutes away to do their homework.

Exactly what said, no excuses. My library had timed computer usage if someone requested use.

Recently tutored some kids at highschool and all their math homework was online, it was the stupidest shit I've ever seen. They were frustrated with it too since you couldn't show your work and it would only accept the answer in a specific format. Terrible way to learn.

>kids doing work in class
>not trying to fuck each other

We need to: invest better in the infrastructure number 1. When you have places like romania able to beat us in speeds for the price it's sad. Plus this would provide jobs.
2. get rid of telecom monopoly/duopoly bullshit because it lets them get away with bullshit like data caps and overcharging.
3. Keep net neutrality and how the internet is now alone , don't let their greed kill it. But of course most people think it's some kind of stupid government ploy to censor shit instead of it basically meaning they leave it alone.

What does this have to do with the Ukraine though?

IRC still exists my friend, I don't think norms have enough tech skills to understand what IRC is. This is one thing that pissed me off and still sort of annoys me about the whole twitter hashtag thing , for me it was for 15+ years now an irc channel name not a thing to make social commentary.

Kids that sit in a classroom for almost ten hours a day shouldn't be expected to spend even more time going out of the way to a library to work on school work.

They need to get rid of the concept of homework. I personally never did my homework at home. I did it on the bus and in between classes and no I didn't finish and would just leave it incomplete or guess the answers (if that was an option). I half assed it and never once did homework at home. Not once. I graduated with a 2.1 or something abysmal but I don't care. I got a 3.9 in college. I did my homework in college. You pay for that and you don't sit in a classroom all day

At a lot of schools, say the one I teach at, the students wouldn't have time when they could go do that. Most still rely on buses and there'd be no way to get home after.

At non-shitty schools this isn't a problem.

>My point is that I don't think teachers should assume normal internet access at home.

I think it's a fair assumption, you just need to work with the student if it's not the case. I get students with unreliable access during part of the year sometime- very wealthy families, just shitty locations that can make things spotty. We find ways around it.

Most kids got on the computers to either try to browse porn or MySpace(facebook wasn't big until my senior year)

You know what also was awful back in my school days (graduated hs in 2005) When teachers always wanted you to prioritize THEIR class's homework vs other homework acting like their shit was more important when so did another 2 teachers act the exact same way. Am I the only one that ever had to deal with that?

>They need to get rid of the concept of homework.

It needs to be revamped in general but I don't think you can totally get away with it. Some subjects (foreign languages and some mathematics being obvious examples) need a good deal of practice for most students to achieve mastery, doing this in school is a waste of time.

A good system, though it runs in the face of what OP posted about, is to use neural-network based systems like ALEKS that can intelligently mold assignment difficulty and length to individual student mastery.

Best we could do in my day was flash games if the site wasn't blocked or snes emulators.

Education should be locally controlled. Defund the Department of Education and you solve many problems.

Utility DESU in this day and age it's a requirement of first world life. Like electricity and gasoline.

But then you'll get stupid religious twats trying to cram creationism and the bible in there instead of actual sciences.

How many % require high speed internet?
How many live in homes without any internet?
Anyway sure, it's practical for the same reasons as roads, sewers and electricity.

Do you know what comes with Internet? Trap porn and sjw garbage. This medium we use has been infiltrated for years that it's not even funny. Soft brains will eat this sewer waste like hot shit.

Whatever the local community wants will happen. It's the best result for all parties.

I would prefer that then seeing kids get brainwashed by marxist nonsense like they are currently.

>You need high speed internet for wikipedia

even fucking McDonalds has free wifi now lmao

Oh no, the community decides to teach religion, culture, and good morals to their children. How awful. Why can't they just be godless like the Europeans

>Not using proxies

I do agree at the very least it needs to be revamped but still favor getting rid of it entirely.

I also agree that you need practice in subjects like a foreign language beyond a classroom but in all seriousness unless you have that foreign language class from kindergarten you're not learning that language anyways. That's not how to learn the language. Grammar first is a setup for failure. Kids that speak English routinely have trouble with English class which is all about grammar and writing. Foreign language classes teach this shit alongside the language itself. Recipe for failure

>But then you'll get stupid religious twats trying to cram creationism and the bible in there instead of actual sciences.
That's already the case dummy

Let them do whatever they want. Don't like it? Find another school or move.

I find it just as damaging if not more. Believe me for a small time in k-12 education I was at a private school and it's bad too. Really is a lie when people say private schools are better they are equally shit just dif looking shit. It's part of why I hate religion now. I prefer just having my own simple morals and not throwing them at other people. Guess I'm agnostic if I have to have a label.
You can be taught good morals without a specific religion attached to it.

lol our computer was in the middle of our house and I never got got.

got caught*

>After my dad banned me from his computer for watching porn all the time
You little shit you, checked.

Pretty sure 90% of teachers require students to print shit out but that never stopped me despite never owning a printer

No! STOP IT!

Leftism is about the lowest common denominator. That is, that you must always hold anyone who is not a White male to the LOWEST POSSIBLE EXPECTATIONS in ALL THINGS and at ALL TIMES. To do otherwise is to demand agency, which would mean that you believe that anyone who is not a White male is your equal, which is not permissible.

>without high-speed internet
>high-speed
1mbit pleb-tier is plentys of bandwidth to visit almost any educational website

fpbp

Honestly, I don't think the government run schools should give homework that requires internet outside of school time.

I'm in favor of it being a commodity, but your argument is pretty dumb. When you were a kid internet penetration was still relatively low.

DESU the Americans really fucked up home internet with crony capitalism

Yes and this is not a good thing people need to know real sciences too.

You don't need high-speed internet for doing homework.

This doesn't always work out if there are limited resources (ie, library has 20 computers but they are all being used). Its not uncommon in high pop areas.

American ISPs have low income internet service plans. You can get high speed for like $10/mo or something

BUT because American ISPs are some of the most evil corporations ever its incredibly difficult to get those plans. Its probably beyond the ability of most low income individuals to fight long enough with the ATT or whoever to actually get the plan they qualify for.

The internet is vital these days though, for everything from school to job hunting to communication. It should be a utility.

Confinement education is fascist and unproductive. I didn't learn anything valuable until I dropped out and started visiting Sup Forums

I think the problem has always been standerized testing and trying to get those scores.

My high school required that no more than 2 weeks for a chapter for general ed math classes which all gen ed classes did about a chapter a week and would assign pages and pages of homework each day. It was almost literally 15-20 minutes of the teacher explain how to do the math on monday and then non stop problems for a whole week with 2 pages of problems for homework for the rest of the week and a giant test at the end. If you didn't get it after monday tough shit. We rarely ever got a second week on a chapter and when we did everyone made sure that we felt bad for not getting it day one.

I couldn't keep up and got transferred over to special ed class. We did the same book only we spent the whole week talking about the problems and going through each step instead of a 15 scolding and then endless paper work. Had maybe 10 problems of homework for each week. Aside from the literal retards everyone else was pretty normal. I was even helping other students with their finals because I actually understood what the fuck was going on.

>we should halt all social progress so rural because rural and poor families can't keep up

progressivism in a nutshell.

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Noided

my nigga
i actually use to do that

How many of those little bastards live in a town or go to a school that doesn't have a library with internet access?

It is when you gotta watch shit on Youtube

Yes some teachers make some kids watch shit on Youtube

>I couldn't keep up with a highschool class and had to be put in special ed

>Listen to what I say

>American internet is more expensive (adjusted for purchasing power) and slower than internet in eastern European shitholes because of crony capitalism
>burgers will defend this
DESU every comcast/Warner cable employee should be shot on sight

I don't necessarily think ISPs should be regulated as a utility but I think fiber networks should be (similar to how electric grids are open to any supplier in pats of the US). The main problem is there's a giant barrier to competition - namely that no city wants their streets getting dug up every time a new ISP wants to expand its network.

If you live in a high pop area there is probably more than one library. Also my high school's library was open all the time, I don't know how other schools are set up but I never had a problem getting a computer.

no

should get computers out of the students. make the internet a place for at home.
pay teachers more, based on merit. teach using alt methods to kids that fail
dont revoke education certificates/employment to convicts after time served. (inb4 u nullify entire criminal class over sex crimes)

How fast is this by U.S standards? I pay 6 dollars month for this.

>homework that req internet
How is that? You need to fill forms online or its some sort of online tests?

This to be the niggerest post I've ever seen

I'm assuming that means Mbps in russian which that is pretty damn good. I would say the average in Us is still around way less than that. I mean I mentioned this before but hell even Romania beats many parts of the US.

You have no "right" "to" anything.

The only rights are basic negative rights that presuppose argumentation in the first place.

T. Ancap

dialup 56.6kbps is fast enough internet unless u need multimedia, which u dont.
text is so small and transfers fast. read more, listen less.

usa internet infrastructure is just fine, except we could use some blimps or drones or more cell towers for the rural ppl. theres a 20k$ satelite that can stream 1080p utube.

ppl forget sun microsystems, oracle, and countless others spent billions subsidizing the internet until ad-networks took off. so commodizing or communising muninciple isps is a tricky subject. id side with less censorship, whichever form it comes in.

just because they live in a home without internet doesn't mean they don't have public internet locations. Like library's, colleges, or the school itself.

I pay $70 for 50mbps
Comcast sucks, be lucky you don't have them where you live.

comcast dont lobby against muninciple isp like embarq/centrylink does.
corporate lobbying pisses me off even tho politicians gota get experts from somewhere

>graduated in 2004
>usually had upwards of 3 hours of homework every night
>math homework
>chemistry homework
>big ass history chapter to read through with questions to answer
>sometimes long ass reports needing to be written
>hated every single day of it

>get out of highschool
>nobody gives a single fuck what your highschool grades were and only cares that you finished it
>take trades course at college
>teacher brings out workbooks for us all
>we all groan
>he explains how the books work
>do the questions, and then check your own answers with the answer sheet in the back of the book
>he winks and goes "Heh, but dont cheat, okay?"
>whole class starts chuckling like beavis and butthead

You also have to have a landline telephone which who the hell still does? I'd rather use weak wifi than to try to ever use dialup again.

Holy shit I pay like 4$ for 100/100

Yeah for me it's either Comcast or CenturyLink, and Comcast is the least terrible of the two imo. Still a terrible price, but the internet definitely gets put to use.

I get like 100/10ish from TWC (now owned by Charter Spectrum so I dunno if/how this will change) but I never reach that speed because of where the router has to be located and I can't run wired to it due to it requiring me to drill into walls and shit that I'm not allowed to do. I do work on improving my wifi speeds though. Guess I average in the 20-30 range currently, but still room to grow. Better receivers and antennas and stuff. Possibly could setup some kind of repeater.

That's not an internet issue.

That's a homework issue.

What homework REQUIRES the internet?

Research assignments are a big one.

Well for me given this was 2005 and before and shit was still not too widespread that I was in k-12 school it was for school paper information gathering. I would type stuff a lot as my handwriting is ass but that never required an actual internet connection. I would say at least having a printer in my time was important as far as computer accessories went. In college though there were plenty of places to do that on campus (even a lab for my specific major that let me do it for free) I'm sure nowadays it's a bit more involved.

I agree with this, at least.

If the school system isn't providing you with materials to do work, then it shouldn't be on the curriculum.

>If the school system isn't providing you with materials to do work, then it shouldn't be on the curriculum.

At most schools it's a reasonable assumption students will have internet access. Accommodations just need to be made when that's not the case. OP's statistic is kind of misleading in that way, the students that don't have internet aren't distributed in an even pattern geographically. For vast chunks of the nation it's very safe to assume 100% of students will have reliable internet access.

You haven't been to libraries in the poorest parts of the country.

Good post

Prob should get rid of most "school supply" lists that they always give you before the first day or on the first day that makes your parents have to go out and buy the shit like gluesticks and notebooks and shit then?

I don't get what that has to do with what I said.

Whoops meant to quote the one before you my bad friend.

Most elementary schools are going for a shared supply where the parent buys one or two things for an entire classroom.

Teachers nowadays (and the people who come up with 'best' teaching practices and devise syllabuses) have their dicks hard about incorporating 'IT' into everything, because we're living in the digital age and THE SCHOOL JUST BOUGH 500 NEW LAPTOP AND FUCK WE HAVE TO PUT THEM TO GOOD USE TO JUSTIFY THEIR EXISTENCE SO NO BILLY PUT YOUR PEN AND PAD AWAY WE'RE GOING ONLINE TO USE SOME CLUNKY WEB APP DEVELOPED BY AN INDIAN TO LEARN. It all gets marked automatically, which means I can sit on my ass and fulfill my role as a glorified babysitter.

I think the hype over that has died a good bit. It was pretty bad 5 years ago or so with apple's big pushes but you don't hear as much about it as you used to.