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Throw me some Postmodern Neo-Marxist Cinema Sup Forums

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Jordan Peterson is a fucking idiot when it comes to Marxism
HURR DURR MARXISM IS INVALIDATED BC MUH HOLODOMER
yeah if we go by this shit capitalism has a bigger death toll when to take imperialism and colonialism and the wars what happened due to it into account
He doesn't go into any direct critisms of dialectical materialism or the Labour theory of value but just spouts bullshit illogical arguments
He's just an opportunist riding the wave of the new "LE CONSERVATISM IS THE NEW COUNTERCULTURE"meme

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>Postmodern
I guess I don't really know the definition of this term for certain, but isn't a lot of cinema Postmodern? A lot of it doesn't have characters, or plot. Some directors (Bresson) get their actors to show as little emotion as possible.

Isn't this what postmodernism (when applied to art) is supposed to be? Disregard for all rules?

Tell us how you really feel.

He's got a point though. Even if Marxism didn't result in catastrophe, the central logic of Marxism can be refuted. The labor theory of value, for example, isn't at all consistent with reality.

Not really
The economic calculation problem can be overcome through cybernetics
Check out Paul cockshott and his work
I'd recommend reading towards a new socialism

why are there so many post-modernist faggots on Sup Forums

Portraying "colonialism" as a practice only done by whites is intellectually dishonest and betrays how much cultural Marxism has warped your brain. You've been taught a false and limited version of history to manipulate you to think a certain way. You've also had the horrors of communism soft-pedaled and Nazi atrocity overblown in order to make you think a certain way.

Whites have never been the only group of people to violently or non violently expand. Attempting to hang cultural shame on them for expansion is racist, something that you would claim to be against. Read more history and look at what Islam did. Hell, look at what the Bantu did.

Communism has committed genocides and caused mass starvation in every implementation. There's no disputing this. And the only communist reply to this are to either outright lie or attempt to change the subject.

You've been lied to and you really need to start reading more actual history instead of the cultural Marxism you've been force fed.

>The Tyrone/Rog saga was 7 years ago

I never said that only white are responsible for colonialism you fucking cretin it's a result of capitalism not white people
The japs were colonists too

How am I a post modernist now?

Notice how he doesn't refute or address the mass genocide and starvation and torture caused by the communists and tries to drag the discussion into minutiae.

It's the only place someone subverted by communism can argue-they have to present you with an incredibly warped version of reality for their views to be logical. His reasoning: If I misrepresent your statements and make a wild distortion of what capitalism is, my line of thinking is superior!

Sir I am not here to listen to your fantasies of what communism is. We must discuss real facts.

Because it's an inherently post modernist site.

On the famines in Russia and China
They implemented Collectivization which caused the crisis
First off all Collectivization is not an inherent part of Marxism
It was a strategy used by the Russians to boost their economy as Russia was semi feudal and not capitalist
I'd Russia had been industrialised b4 the revolution they didn't had to Collectivize the agriculture to boost industrialisation
There are examples of Marxism applied to the real world where there were no famine but in some cases like Burkina faso Marxist policies helped them become self reliant for food

>not real communism meme

That's not an argument. You're trying exactly what I said you would by trying to move the argument to the hypothetical. Well it would have worked if they were only communist enough!

I'm not here to argue against a perfect hypothetical system that only exists in your fantasies. Let's talk about the millions dead and starved by those who adopted communist policies and called themselves communists.

Salo (150 Days of Sodom)

Never said it wasn't real socialism
But it isn't an inseparable part of Marxism
It was something very specific to that time and those circumstances
I'd it is an inherent part of Marxism explain how Burkina Faso under sankara didn't have the same fate dispite sankara being a Marxist and appluomg Marxist principles

Applying*

I doubt that's even a thing.

The only thing I can think of that might come close to that is North Korean propaganda.

Again you're trying to weasel around it. People with any understanding of history see the hundreds of millions of dead caused by communism and you can't come up with a coherent counterpoint.

This is why you really need to sort yourself out. I'm glad we got this opportunity for you to leave your echo chamber.

post-modernism goes all the way back to Kant's critique of pure logic. You yourself undoubtedly employ post-modernist thinking without realizing it. Purposely using illogical or fallacious arguments to ridicule an idea contrary to your own because you believe promoting your ideals is more important than logical consistency and good-faith debate smacks of post-modernism.

Chances are that unless you've totally isolated yourself from all developments in philosophical and cultural thought in the western world since the 19th century, you've taken on post-modern ideas without realizes they were post-modern.

not that guy but your posts are nothing more than recycled talking points you've picked up from watching peterson youtube videos. you don't strike me as much of a 'reader'

You just keep saying you're argument is invalid bc people died
I explained why it isn't a part of Marxism and provided you with real life counter examples to that
And you still don't get it
This is exactly why I dont like JBP he doesn't criticise Marxism he just says there was a famine in Russia ajd China therefore Marxism is invalid
Well there was a huge famine in capitalist India which killed millions of people but that's never brought up when we talk about capitalism

damiano go back to shitposting on facebook

All I know about this guy is he's a Canadian Jesus freak who is obsessed with iconography.

>if I attack your point and don't provide anything of my own I win

You don't strike me as much of anything.

But you're fucking lying. And this is how your brain is completely fucked. The seizure of land and implementation of gommunism was mirrored in Zimbabwe and caused the same fucking result.

You literally can't argue with a complete distortion of the truth. Your only argument is to completely lie about history which is a fucking google search away. You need to sort yourself out.

hang yourself red scum

can the US government and capitalism be held responsible for genociding native americans with their own policies of land seizure and forced displacement?

Marxism is literally the perfect ideology. Plebs have been pumped so full of it that they now confuse its basic tenets with that of its polar opposite, the protestant capitalism which transformed the sleepy pre-enlightenment globe into the raging powerhouse of modernity that it is today. """""Conservative"""""" legislators and (((((Conservative)))))) commentators criticize the most basic elements of capitalism as the demonic workings of Marx, and prepare us all to be dominated by communist institutions in the name of traditionalism. Hell god baby damn no I found something.

It kills millions you idiot

Cuba,Albania,Burkina Faso didn't have famines
I don't think Zimbabwe is ruled by a communist party or is Marxist
How did I lie about history?
Stop saying "oh you're lying and distorting shit" and actually ecolaom what I'm lying about it am distorting in history

>fails to comprehend my post
I told you it is perfect.

>ha ha I'm totally not a butt hurt Marxist haha but you sound dumb
Pathetic

t. pic related

This is the eco chamber

The dumber an ideology is, the more people it kills, the more perfect it becomes, because the point of ideology is to snare plebs and dominate them on behalf of the patrician class.
You confuse critical thinking with ideology. It is not that. It lies outside the domain of ideology. The hammer is not the house, it is a tool used to build it.

>that projection
Did I hit a soft spot?

Explain *

...

damage control

>First off all Collectivization is not an inherent part of Marxism
Of course not user. Communism is all about private property and individual trade.

>Burkina faso Marxist policies helped them become self reliant for food
Ah, yes, the so successful Burkina Faso, and its highly developed 185th HDI rank.

nigga everyone is postmodern you fucking retard

Either you're lying rn or you're an idiot
Pls explain how collectivization is an inherent part of Marxism
Also Burkina Faso did way better under Marxism than it did under capitalism idc about world rankings

So now collectivization=abolishing of private property and free markets?
Just Google collectivization and see it that's what it is
It was a very specific policy I'm the USSR
Show me where marx or engels or even Lenin talks about collectivization

It's hilarious how clueless Peterson fags are that they don't realize how much of a postmodern he actually is.
Not a surprise, since they also seem to have no clue about what marxism actually is and just throw it around as an empty insult, just like "nazi" or "fascist" have become in the past years.

>hundreds of millions of dead caused by communism
There's been just as much caused by feudalism and capitalism. It's just a stupid point to raise if you're attempting to discuss the actual ideologies.
See how Cuba, a country that has jack shit when it comes to natural resources has managed to survive this long, improving on the life conditions of its inhabitants and is even in the vanguard of medicine at a world level. It's just a fucking shitty island that had to deal with the US fucking with them for years and years, and they still managed to do that. It can work.
Is it a flawless paradise? Of course not, but which country is?

So does (neo)liberal capitalism by a six fold, you fucking dolt. And I'm not talking about wars for profit or imperialism shirt.

limits people being individuals and having their own ideas. Everyone gets rewards or its racist or sexist etc etc.


Go watch his videos instead of asking people to relay the information.


So any TV or films thooo?

>when to take imperialism and colonialism and the wars what happened due to it into account

While does capitalism get blamed for colonialism and imperialism? Do people think governments didn't conquer people for resources until capitalism came along?

>le participation trophy meme
You have no idea what Marxism is
I'd suggest you to read up about it and actually know what it's about instead of learning about it through Peterson bc he surely is not knowledgeable on the subject

Post-industrialism imperialist and colonialist practices happened under capitalist states, with capitalist justifications.

Both imperialism and colonialism happened in the past under non-capitalist states, so why are they now both considered a consequence of capitalism? Because capitalist states did them later? and what are these capitalist justifications?

No it wasn't an economic necessity b4 capitalism
In order for capitalism to generate greater profits than the home market can yield, the merging of banks and industrial cartels produces finance capitalism—the exportation and investment of capital to countries with underdeveloped economies. In turn, such financial behaviour leads to the division of the world among monopolist business companies and the great powers. Moreover, in the course of colonizing undeveloped countries, business and government eventually will engage in geopolitical conflict over the economic exploitation of large portions of the geographic world and its populaces. Therefore, imperialism is the highest (advanced) stage of capitalism, requiring monopolies (of labour and natural-resource exploitation) and the exportation of finance capital (rather than goods) to sustain colonialism, which is an integral function of said economic model. Furthermore, in the capitalist homeland, the super-profits yielded by the colonial exploitation of a people and their economy permit businessmen to bribe native politicians, labour leaders and the labour aristocracy (upper stratum of the working class) to politically thwart worker revolt (labour strike).

Julian DOnkey Boy
I stand Alone
For you the living
Where the Dead Go to Die
A field in england
Cremaster CYcle
Trashhumpers

home videos taken from other peoples homes.

watching any VHS video tape for the distortion

I don't really like him either but you're a commie faggot and need to KYS.

>Moreover, in the course of colonizing undeveloped countries, business and government eventually will engage in geopolitical conflict over the economic exploitation of large portions of the geographic world and its populaces. Therefore, imperialism is the highest (advanced) stage of capitalism, requiring monopolies (of labour and natural-resource exploitation) and the exportation of finance capital (rather than goods) to sustain colonialism, which is an integral function of said economic model. Furthermore, in the capitalist homeland, the super-profits yielded by the colonial exploitation of a people and their economy permit businessmen to bribe native politicians, labour leaders and the labour aristocracy (upper stratum of the working class) to politically thwart worker revolt (labour strike).

None of this is a necessity of capitalism. There is nothing about developing foreign economies that necessitates any sort of violence or exploitation.

Haneke Seventh Continent
Lanthimos Dogtooth
Howard, Moore Zootopia
German Hard to be a God
Loach I, Daniel Blake
Kaufman Synecdoche NY

Blue is the Warmest Color
The Zero Theorem
Battle in Heaven
City of God
Elysium (aka Space Healthcare)
Elephant

>you can convince people to start believing in Jungian archetypes if you get yelled at by SJWs

is this the power of patreon...?
... woah...

unironically this

Pacific Rim?

>There are cocacola deathsuqads in Latin America
>Nokia hires thugs to beat the Fuck out of union leaders in India

Also capitalism is exploitative in nature
The worker doesn't receive the full price of the Labour he produces as the capitalist takes a part of it for profits

Marxism is a secular eschatology that at its core seeks to destroy the natural world to 'somehow' bring forth a new world. I find the greatest humor in the fact that Marx outright describes religion as opium yet he managed to create such a secular religion himself and none of his proponents sees this.

Its is eerily occult when zombie-like followers speaks of an 'afterworld' (post civilisation) which will be perfect and then understates because it seeks to kill all and everyone, in order for some new 'afterlife world' to exist. And I will fight against anyone who wishes to see such a world brought forward as long as I breathe.

>The democratically elected leader of Chile was killed and replaced with an American backed dictator bc he nationalised the economy
Not bc of capitalism ?

Pretty much this. Also Marx failed to realize cultural power and unity is stronger than class division.

Explain the natural world that Marxist seek to destroy
What do you mean by natural

It is funny that a lot of his ideas are fairly "postmodernist" (even though it's kind of a buzzword these days). People rail against postmodernism without even really understanding what it is, and that a huge range of stuff can fit under it. I think a lot of them just believe in this one really narrow kind of it that a lot of the "anti-SJW" YouTubers have popularized.

Define post modernism.

Say please.

You can't. Thought so.

>cultural power and unity is stronger than class division
Keep telling yourself that. Look at London and the burnt out building in one of the richest areas in the country. Look at gentrification. The veil's coming off, mate.

>mention communism doesn't work and has had embarassing results
>edgy 18 year old fag that hasn't move out of his meme phase recommends me to go read literature on it (which he himself has never read)
Every fucking time lads

This is me. I wasn't the guy you were arguing with, you little shit.

>Define post modernism
Well part of the definition is that it's so far-reaching. In the vaguest sense it's just the belief that a large part of reality is up for interpretation or is nuanced. Thus if you say something like "God is something that varies between each person but you can still recognize it as God" or "you have to make your own purpose in life and that is what gives your life objective purpose" those could both be postmodernist ideas, and Peterson has gone with arguments along those lines before. Of course you ask a bunch of postmodernists what postmodernism is and their responses will differ, but Peterson and most people these days usually hold beliefs that are influenced by (or at least in common with) postmodernism.

>There are corporations that take part in exploitative practices
>capitalism is now a system that necessitates exploitation

Who is deciding what the full price of labor is? The laborer? By what metric?

Explain to me what about this is a necessity of capitalism.

>cultural power and unity is stronger than class division
Only brainlets think that someone will be by their side just bc muh culture (I dont think you even mean culture you just mean race) lol rich people don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves and their own class interest they don't care what race you are

A world that is not caused or created by humankind, is what I mean by natural world. There is the same desire in Marxism as I see in Transhumanism, and even Christianity. The same eschatology of life in the natural world as somehow inherently repulsive - only through death and then rebirth in and of a 'virtual' world, can one truly have happy living.

This, to me, is sickening and a death cult. It is the idea that our earth is not our home but a iron prison and only through death can we 'hope' to escape.

to save billions...

-The watchmaners

>None of this is a necessity of capitalism.
Nor the Russian famine was a necessity of communism or marxism, but you don't seem to have any issues putting the blame on it.

They can't access foreign markets also can't get cheap labour to make bigger profits off of
Also the fear of a good example for a system other than capitalism
If the entire third world stopped working for first world companies the whole economic system would collapse

>Post modernism is whatever you want it to be
This is why academia stagnated.

This is the problem with Marxist thinking, they can't acknowledge that culture goes beyond race.

Fences
Manchester By the Sea
Umi Yori Mo Mada Fukaku
Moonlight
Mommy (2014)
Beyond the Hills (2012)
Things to Come
Clouds of Sils Maria
Leviathan

based tinny

Pretty much. I think it makes sense to argue against it as a term or as a meaningful thing, but a lot of people seem to just use it as being the root of all SJW related things which it isn't. If people attacked it as being a pointless buzzword that everyone gives to much importance to, then I'd agree, but instead everyone attacks it as some malevolent force which just enforces it as being something that actually has a point.

Good lists.

Says the person who's sole "learning" or "research" consists of cherry picked, artifacted to hell and back images from Sup Forums and le epic Alt-Right youtubers.

>Russia was a fucking backwards country, still on a feudal system in the 20th century
>Becomes a world power in less than 50 years, constantly pushing the envelope in science and technology

>Cuba is a shitty small island that barely has anything but sugar and tobacco
>Resists over 50 years of the US fucking with them, and BTFO every single assassination and invasion attempt from the US, while also becoming one of the better alphabetized countries in the world, and it's got some of the most advanced medicine in the whole world.
How fucking embarrasing!

>hurr durr be mature kids!
>get an hair transplant because is too insecure

Snowpiercer
High Rise
A Boy and the World (animated)

Cuba is a shit hole. And if you are attributing russian power as a product of communism, you are pretty much retarded and ignorant hundred of years of russian history.

The Hunger Games, I guess

Yeah, that's why they were so powerful before communism, right?
Nobody care who they were until they put on the red flag.

>Cuba is a shit hole
So's the greater part of the US by now. What's your point?

Absolutely false. Learn 18th and 19th century history.

They kind of were though.

Why are so many people on here irrationally autistic about talking to anyone even remotely communist? I sometimes even hear faggot parrot Red Scare-isms as if they were facts. You can disagree with communism as an economic theory all you want, but holy shit you need to calm down and stop pretending that literally everyone who engages with you is some Soviet agent.

Fuck.

that's only true because those parts of the USA are under communist liberal marxists

Because it's the shit neo/pol/ dragged in. Basically drones who repeat what they hear and aren't capable of having thoughts of their own. This is what happens when you corner them.