Atheists believe we developed these just because

It's totally not because an all loving creator, wanted us to survive and prosper in the physical world.

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Did he also want the cannibalising chimps to prosper in eating of other chimps? Or the rats to prosper in getting BTFO by a cat?

Yes, because those who, even at the earliest stages of the eye had this developed had extremely higher chances at surviving.
And the better it became the better the chances of survival were.
it also did not happen in a few thousand years, but over millions, you may not be able to comprehend that.

Sin exists brother, doesn't disprove the existence of the almighty. Peace be with you.

I wonder.. did you even look up the development/evolution of the eye before shitposting here?

Here's a type of fish that lost their eyes during evolution.

Thoughts?

>optic nerves literally going in front of the optic sensors
>create a blind spot for literally no reason
>this is "intelligent design"
neck yourself

ameba 1: You know what it would be so cool to see.
ameba 2: Yeah bro, I'm going to wait a billion years for them.

>creator wanted us to survive and prosper in the physical world

yet humans had to develop glasses to allow people to see properly... some creator you have there, OP

You disappointment, you need to stop

>You know what it would be so cool to see.
No.
More like
>genetice mutation
Ameba 1: DUUUUUDDEE wtf is this, can you notice slight differences in brightness, too?

Ameba 2: wtf are you talking about?

Ameba 1: what is this shadow/darkness, oh shit, i'm afraid

Ameba 2: what are you - *gets eaten*

Ameba 1: bro? ... *reproduces* - children have thise 'vision', too.

over MILLIONS of years more mutations happen.
MILLIONS of years is a fucking long time.
Those mutants had better chances at survival whether they realized it or not.

Normal people transition out of atheism after the non-stop Communist brainwashing of public school and university ends.

Doesn't prove it either. So an irrelevant "point"

The whole God debate is stupid as the Devil's Paradox denies both sides confirmation.

How the fuck did the compound eyes developed then?

Why did God make our eyes upside down when many animals have them properly oriented?

your image is wrong.

>I don't understand science the post

ey wait a minute

wasn't lamarck discredited?

That's the stupidest thing I ever heard, if 2 cripples make babies their baby won't be a cripple

>their necks magically became longer by reaching
Wrong, the ones that just happened to be taller/have longer necks could get to more food that the others couldn't, leading to better chances of survival, passing on their "tall" genes to their offspring.

Your images were probably created simplistically to help try to explain to morons such as yourself that can't wrap their heads around mutations and genes.

>Sin exists brother
Because God created a world with sin in it.

Science is funded by the Jewish government who want Christians to stop believing the bible. An atheist population is easier to control.

>annoying piece of shit eye floater for life

God gave us freedom to choose what we do and people chose to sin

ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/mutationsanddisorders/genemutation

>Genetic alterations that occur in more than 1 percent of the population are called polymorphisms.

>some of these variations may influence the risk of developing certain disorders.

sounds familiar?
Not that it's a good thing, but genetic mutations are inheritable.

If their being cripples isn't genetic than yes

>WE WUZ DEVELOPING
kek

As if God didn't know that they will chose to sin even before creating them.

>""""""freedom""""""

>lamarckian evolution
kek

Evolution isn't real, it's victorian pseudo science. Go get a circumcision, maybe it will cure your insanity.
God knows but he doesn't force us to change, did he make you an atheist? No for some ridiculous reason you choose to reject common sense

Depends on what the crippling is. If two people with broken legs have a baby, their kid is gonna be fine.

If two people (or even just one, since it's dominant) with achondroplasia have a baby, their kid's likely gonna be a dwarf.

You bring shame on your ancestors.

>god knows with 100% certainty what you're going to do
>but you still have a choice

Christian here. The eye is actually a bad example of the "watchmaker" theory as all terrestrial animal eyes are fundamentally flawed. The eye actually developed for an aquatic environment and the shift to land has made it evolve and shift to play catchup.

>God knows but he doesn't force us to change, did he make you an atheist?
Yes, he did? Creating me he knew with 100% certainity what I would choose, so my choice was predetermined by the way he made me. My own sense of having free will is thus an illusion.

>Go get a circumcision, maybe it will cure your insanity.
proof of mental disorder on your side.
Talking bullshit and is not worth the time for further elaboration on this topic.

Btw you can try forced genetic mutations out for yourself with plants.
But I'm sure you won't.

stop giving a fuck about them. everyone had them, but your brain ignores them. I had tons of them constantly on my eyesight when I was younger until I hit stopped looking at them and thinking about them

yes
acquired characteristics are not inherited

having knowledge of what someone will choose, doesn't negate your ability of choice.

If God is all knowing and all powerful he can't make a mistake right.
So he created man knowing he would have to commit mass genocide by flooding the earth a few hundred years later?
Or did he make a mistake and try to rectify it?

Also the old gods are much more interesting than your sandnigger god.

if he knows in advance what my choice will be then it's predetermined and I have only the illusion of choice

I fixed your picture

It's funny how this is such a hard concept for atheists to understand but the idea that an animals an give birth to a new species is perfectly logical to them

Believing in Christian afterlife is actually way more scary than atheism.

There is only one God in existence, so what old gods are you talking about?

If I have a loaded coin that only lands on heads, does that impede you from flipping the coin?

Everything is predetermined in one way or another using this thought process. You will need to make a choice and you will pick one of the available options, if anyone for some reason already had a hunch you'd pick a specific one does that mean you never had a choice and you were a puppet all along gg no re *wears fedora*?

Complex things take a long time to evolve, gradually, in very small, infinitesimal steps such that you can trace their progression throughout time. Luckily, the earth has been around for a pretty long fucking time, so even a .0000001% change with each reproduction (easily achievable since mutations happen all the time) there's plenty of time for complex structures to evolve through sheer randomness based upon the laws of physics.

I didn't specialize in evolution but I did take several courses on genetics and one on invertebrate zoology, and it's really not that hard to see how something like this can come about from even the most primitive of single celled organisms. What is really intriguing to me is how the earliest of organisms formed, which has been hotly debated among scientists with a common hypothesis being that molecules tend to naturally aggregate into cellular precursors.

The thing is, I have a feeling that Christians will not be placated even if scientists do definitively prove that living organisms can arise from naturally forming micelles and go from there to become life, because they can always claim, "ok so God didn't create life, but he created the mechanisms which allowed for life to spontaneously form". Each time a new gap is filled with knowledge God tends to move back a little further, so no matter what we learn those who believe in him will continue to do so.

At this point I'm just tired of the dick waving competition the debate between theists and atheists (and (((atheists))) too) has become. It's nice to have philosophical debates and all but we need to stop having this "us vs them" mentality, squabbling over who's right while the world around us burns. I'd rather make several concessions to theists and have them make some as well so that we can band together and fix our country instead of being divided over religion.

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You shame your ancestors.

10/10

Your all loving god kills puppies.

Everything takes a long time to evolve, because evolution doesn't exist so you'll be waiting a really long time.

I agree, but most Christians would disagree with you

>had a hunch
different than knowing for sure in advance via magical powers that guarantee success
it seems like someone who is all-knowing would know in advance whether i would flip the coin or not

>It's funny how this is such a hard concept for atheists to understand
I'm not even an atheist.

Anyway, let's imagine a person who actually, literally doesn't have free will. He has a feeling as if he is deciding something, but actually all his choices are 100% predetermined.

In this case, what's the difference between him and me as created by an omnipotent omniscient God?

Zero difference, it's the same thing.

Neil Degrasse Tyson's Cosmos is Reddit-tier but the SOLE thing I remember from it is the explanation it gave on the formation of eyes. You should watch that episode because the only reason I even committed it to memory was because of how fascinating it was.

>OP believes god did it just because

OP is right about one thing. Even using the evolution hypothesis, how come random particles of Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen and Nitrogen end up forming a genetic code that can evolve? Do you all even studied the genetic code to know how mind-numbing complex it is? I have no idea how that would be formed randomly.

You could say that yes, evolution makes it so that it is not exactly "random" since you are more likely to develop things that make life easier for you, but that is only thanks to the genetic code. Before that existed, how did it work exactly? If you couldn't pass your good characteristics to the next generations?

And even with the genetic code, how does your body go around forming a complex structure such as the eye in OP's picture?

I feel like if you study the small things, you end up becoming religious since you slowly start realizing there is just no way all those mind-numbing complexity just happened because of random mutations.

I'm not anti-Christian, but what I'm saying is simple truth. The idea of eternal suffering is so mind-numbingly horrifying I have no idea how Christians manage to live with it. I can only conclude that it's because most of them were born into religion and never really reflect on this concept.

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You actually believe this don't you. You're so into your buttocks about the Jewish conspiracy that you actually believe that science was created by Jews. The fact that manipulates people easier because the leaders can say anything they do is right because "muh God told me to do so" is only the tip of the iceburg of your ridiculousness.

I thought we were having an actual discussion.

Science wasn't created by Jews, but modern "gender doesn't exist, porn is good for you, masturbating is good for you" science was. You can believe those scientists if you want

God did it so we could hunt down atheists for his pleasure. Duh.

this is awful bait

>atheists will ignore this because they can't beat this logic
Let me give you atheists one point. If multiverses are real, then you actually have a worthy case.

But the problem of multiverses theory is that it is pushed down everyone's throat only because scientists are aware that without multiverses it is unwise, mathematically and quantum physically speaking, to deny God's existence. They push multiverses not because they think it is real, but because they NEED to.

>muh scientist conspiracy to destroy god
lol

The universe is an absurd place, a higher power we cannot comprehend is not out of the question.

Strawman

you literally just accused scientists of "pushing" a hypothesis because they have some kind of ideological opposition to belief in god

Of course it's not it's common sense god is real

Almost every living creature gas eye so what? Evolution triumphs again.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK6360/

Are you saying they don't? Several scientists reject the existence of God, or are you saying they are all Christians?

I am saying that the only reason the multiverse theory is pushed so hard despite no evidence is because, without it, they just can't argue that God doesn't exist.

>hey look our universe has all those complex forms of life despite the chance that it was 99.999999999999999... (hundreds of zeros here) likely to have no life whatsoever or at most some very basic bacteria/amoeba shit like every single other planet in the universe ever, I guess we're just lucky

>gender doesn't exist
That is only something only radical feminists spout off, not schools.

>porn is good for you, masturbating is good for you
First off this is the same kind of generalizing that your Sup Forumsbuds like
and
do because they're so caught up in their own conspiracies and stubborn about them that they don't realize what they're saying sounds mind numbingly stupid to everyone else. Secondly, why are you complaining about porn and masturbating on Sup Forums (unless you are the mythical Sup Forums user who doesn't madturbate to porn).

Why would single celled organism need eyes for?

>your Sup Forumsbuds
>just gives me a bunch of Yous
Ok?

and this is what christians believe

Nice link but what about your argument?

Also I don't watch porn or masturbate, it's disgusting filth and sexual immorality is a sin and will land you a one way ticket to hell. Sexual activities are to be between a man and his wife only! Also lust is a sin

there's a difference between not believing in god and having some kind of vendetta against belief or wanting to prevent other people from believing in it (although admittedly some popular scientists do the latter).
>pushing the multiverse theory
don't blame scientists for this, blame the media. it's a currently un-testable suggestion made by physicists because it resolves issues, and popular media picked it up because it sounds spooky and wacky and sells books
>I guess we're just lucky
could be

You wanted to know how DNA came to be, there's the explanation.

Prove it and prove it quickly (I don't want any Photoshopping on it).

You bring shame upon your people.

Will admit, I lol'd

I'm not saying scientists want to do that to stop others from believing, they actually do it for themselves, they want to find something that justifies their beliefs. Without multiverses all they can say is "we're lucky", with multiverses they can begin blabbin about "lol there are infinite universes where life exists we just got one of those infinite ones :^)" which is much more believable. Or would be if multiverses weren't hollywood tier.

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fucking leaves
>HURR DURRR LOOK AT THIS EYEBALL GOD GAVE IT TO MEEEE

I've seen religious people with ok arguments, but this is absolute retardation
You do realize that eyes started with only the ability to tell light from dark?
Ahh, fuck it, you probably won't even listen. Have fun getting buttfucked by muhammad when you ascend to the big white castle in the sky.

why did the creator develop them? just because?

>hollywood tier
it's considered plausible by plenty of physicists
>we're lucky
i don't see what's so unbelievable about that

>Calls evolution victorian pseudo science

>Believes in a 2000 year old fairy tale.

I'm leaving before I lose any more brain cells.

I used to believe in God when I was a child. It's odd to think about how I used to think.

Hell was a horrifying concept. I would steal some candy, feel like crying because I thought I would go to hell. It's like an ever present threat in the back of your head that shapes all of your actions; you'll never be your true self when you believe in hell.

It was around my freshman year in HS that I stopped believing. I continue to surprise myself even years after. It's amazing what you end up thinking and doing when you don't suppress your thoughts out of fear of hellfire.

Why would an ameba need to tell light from dark?

>cripple

Is this faggot for real, nobody uses that word

Oh you mean not being a degenerate because you fear righteous punishment, OMG so bad, go back to your hedonistic selfish lifestyle.

Luck has nothing to do with it. Do you have even the slightest idea how mindbogglingly massive the universe is? Each and every chunk of stardust that has formed counts as a "chance" for things to go exactly the way they have on earth.

Of course, as you said, each chance is very small, even moreso than you typed out, something like 1^-some huge fucking number that probably won't even fit on my screen.

But I don't even have the words to convey just how massive the universe is. Our chunk of rock is like dust compared to the sun, which is like dust to other stars, which are dust to yet more stars, which are dust to a galaxy, which are... you get what I'm saying? If you were immortal and could travel at 1000x the speed of light your mind would probably break before you beheld even a fraction of 1% of the universe.

What I mean to say is, yes, the chances of life arising the way it has is incomprehensibly small, effectively zero, but the universe is incomprehensibly large, effectively infinite. From a purely statistical argument it can indeed be possible.

That being said I certainly don't have all the answers to everything, but I highly doubt that a magical sky wizard did all of this. It feels like a lazy explanation by people who need the security in life that only absolute, immovable and uncompromising dogma can provide.

>it's considered plausible by plenty of physicists
It could be real, sure, especially since the existence of other universes happening at some different dimension doesn't affect ours at all, so it is sort of impossible to disprove it. But what evidence do you have whatsoever to prove it is true? Multiverses are like the atheistic god, not evidence to prove nor disprove it

>I don't see what is so unbelievable about being lucky
I am not talking about a 1% chance, but rather one that can't be typed since it'd be blocked by the 2000 characters limit, it is practically impossible.

And that is only assuming it is possible.

Why do we need to see?

Are you christniggers really this dumb, I swear you guys are all either master baiters or pretending to be retarded.

Just check the ID
Also no photoshop on iPad so I can't anyway The world was created around 6,000 years ago so it's older than that.
What do you use then? That's what everyone here uses