How long until entry level jobs are wiped out by automation?

How long until entry level jobs are wiped out by automation?

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As soon as the $15/hr dindus have their way.

If that happens can we stop importing poor people from other countries? There'll be no more "JOBS AMERICANS DON'T DO" anymore

Not soon enough.

Ideally the average job will require a bachelors degree years from now as the general human populace becomes more intelligent, specialization degrees become more common, and less important jobs (service industry type stuff) can be automated.

This will not work without welfare.

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Why's that?

today

Actually that is a reason why we still import those people. They can (for now) work cheaper than a machine

That doesn't make sense, that just means you have shifted entry level jobs away from dealing with grease and dirt to maintaining machine automation.

Or cleaning the machines of dirt and grease

How are people going to pay for college if they need to finish college to get pay?

Because some people are just stupid brutes. See trades people.

Hopefully soon

>machines
>needing maintenant

This isn't 1835 anymore, grandpa

automation kills more jobs that it creates

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Yeah, tell that to all the unemployed bellhops and basket weavers

2025,
> people building the machines to build the machines that will take the jobs.
Just a small transitional phase at the time.

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FUCKING

25 years max

Good point

And the telephone switchboard operators

In 20 years it will start getting real serious. The technology is almost here. The will is already here. It won't be long.

Bachelors degree these days are equal to what kids graduated with in high school during the 70's.
Sadly, they just have to pay to become that advanced now.

>bellhops
How has this been automated?
Old people can't even figure out how to work a hotel's wifi, you can't expect me to believe they could work the automatic luggage system.

10 years ago

Bellhops used to operate elevators for people

We're either heading towards an unprecedented degree of prosperity with 98% of the work done by machines and the majority of the populace freed from work, or a barren civil war ravaged hellhole.

It all depends on how the transition from now to then is handled.

Long, because most people are too retarded to use an automated machine to make an order.

This

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No, those were elevator operators or lift attendants.
Bellhops sat in a room waiting for room service bells to be rang before hotels had their own automatic phone switches (now they just sit in an office by a phone) and they hoped up and ran to the room to see what the people wanted.

When you can order your food via conversational voice.

doesn't influence automation.

>Use maccas order kiosk for the first time
>Order my shit and pay with credit
>Wait 4 minutes tops until my order number was called
>Fat girl hands me the order with no small talk or eye contact
>Eat my meal 15 minutes faster than the cucks that waited in line to order (I tracked the time)

The future is here now boys

Of course it does. Automation is preferable when it's cheaper, right now it's not cheaper for many jobs but will be if the price of human labour goes up.

A $15 min wage is going to be the worst thing to happen to the poor in America in a long time, it's going to slash the number of available low end jobs and put millions out of work.

>2016
>not using tendy IVs

It costs 2-3k for a kiosk. How does 15 an hour affect that?

Automation happens, no matter the cost of labor. Technology always moves forward, and replaces physical labor.

businesses will rake in more profits with increased automation, and thus pay more in taxes. The result will be increased unemployment which will lead to socialist-leaning governments getting voted in. Inevitable corporate tax increases occur and social programs are bolstered so that the standard of living of the average welfare-dependent individual increases (to current lower-middle class). The wagegap between welfare-dependent and upper middle-class (white collar) decreases, some jobs getting hit harder than others (doctors still well above; technicians, accountants, analysts, managers not as much; engineers about the same). Those that will be more wealthy by comparison are the business owners (investors, shareholders, board, etc.). With an increased middle class, a demand occurs for more wealth to be redistributed; and so the government under heavy political pressure, seizes control of many industries. This slow downs economic growth tremendously, and research for more efficient processes and new technology becomes more of a humanitarian effort rather than a capitalistic rewarding one. The end result is an extremely socialist/fascist government, not quite communist but not quite fascist either. The government will take on more responsibility/power in the future, not less. If the government fails to be competent in performing it duties with significant extra capital to control/coordinate, then expect a violent revolution and maybe ww3.

>It costs 2-3k for a kiosk. How does 15 an hour affect that?

Because if a Kiosk costs 3 grand and after that costs say $1 per hour to run then you only need to run it for
3000/14/8 about 26 days before it makes its money back, after that you start making a profit on your investment.

Sure technology gets cheaper and will eventually overtake manual labour anyway, but making manual labour more expensive artificially will simply speed up the process.

I don't even understand why McDonald's doesn't has it automated yet, they don't really need cutting edge technology to make a burger machine, that's 50ies technology. You had hobbyist created pizza machines decades ago and pizza is way more complicated than a burger, where burger is also smaller size.

How convenient raising the min wage to $15 when automation has already started ;;;)

its cheaper to higher the desperate
only people that really want the cash but have no skills work in a greasy kitchen getting yelled at by fat people for 8 bucks an hour

they have the technology but its expensive compared to Eduardo the fry cook

tl;dr: Rome Collapse 2.0: Electric Boogaloo

Those machines are money milkers Autists. Humans want to interact with other humans. That is something that getting rid of minimum wage worker will never replace.

>world approaching automation revolution
>refuse to control the population of dindus
>billions of useless mouths with no skills or knowledge
>even automation cannot provide the level of gibs necessary to placate them

I'm predicting the wasteland scenario. Put the culmination of thousands of years of technological progress into the hands of a pavement ape and it's just another piece of shit to fling.

It's expensive on short term, but not on long term. The problem here is that they think they will loose money if people don't see live humans, also they fear protests which they associate with bad business. They are just afraid. They are waiting for somebody else to make it acceptable.

Yep, any time a large corp goes to the government and says it's fighting for their wokers rights to have a higher min wage, it means they're lobbying for law that does this, because they're on the verge of moving to auotmation themselves. This means that competition are stuck paying high min wage or making an unexpected investment in automation, where as they're ready to roll it out.

People are just stupid, they don't understand how the free market works and how abuses to make it less free are only for profit of those lobbying.

Well perhaps someone might be concerned that a burger maker can break and there's nothing you could do about it. Of course, there's way to get around that, but change is always scary.

If that were true, more expensive, but accommodating small businesses dominated by people's neighbors and friends would be the rule instead of faceless corporations hiring service attendants fresh out of high school, jail, and generally just the cheapest bottom of the barrel help.

this is our current level. youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

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I had such high hopes for this game :/

Will the robot waitresses have to wear burkas or at least a hijab with a veil?

>UAE not using slave labor

I think they import slaves just for fun instead of automating.

Yeah, and they're the people who drive down the wages with their cheap labor.

>order from maccadaccadoo kiosk
>pay by credit card
>the printer is out of paper and I don't get a receipt
>start farting and crying uncontrollably
This could happen to you
Fuck STEM. Get a degree in paper replacement for automated kiosks.

Automation is unreliable and expensive. Unless high minimum wage is enforced by the government, it will always be cheaper and more reliable to hire some teenager.

Machines need to be top quality at all times, they need constant refurbishing and repairing. Unless machines are significantly cheaper then what I'm aware, or they will become cheaper in the future, there will always be jobs for Humans.

Why do corporations still insist on outsourcing their labor to other countries like China, instead of buying hundreds of machines to manufacture the products? Well, it's significantly cheaper to hire a Chinese person who will likely show initiative and work for almost nothing, than a robot (probably will need 2-3 robots to replace the hands of a Gook).

Above all else though, Human workers have the ability to learn. Machines are static.

For example, I work at Maccas. We have something like 150 employees at the restaurant, and those touch screens in the picture have done nothing to effect jobs. Your average customer still much prefers to be served by a Human, and it's too expensive to have a burger making machine make the burgers.

as long it says h"abibi senpai", its all halal.

>getting gas
>pump is out of paper
>have to take a picture of the readout instead of simply writing the mileage on the receipt

The same way we do now. Pressure them into student loans keeping them enslaved by debt to the workforce.

>it will always be cheaper and more reliable to hire some teenager.

why are you so stupid?

seriously, why? what is your excuse?

at least ours arent voting for hilliry amricobro :").

besides, rock em sock em robots with ghandi and johnney 5 sounds entertaining as shit.

honestly i wonder what could we actually do with general purpose robot now

You're delusional. I'd much rather punch an order into a kiosk and get exactly what I want rather than tell it to someone who hardly speaks English multiple times. Everyone else under 40 (those "average customers") feels exactly the same way. Cashiers at restaurants will not exist in less than 5 years worldwide.

When the Luddites are finally right.
Sooo... never.

They can pick strawberries when the illegals are gone.

The UI on that thing needs to be overhauled. It's horrific.

Some of those trade positions are going to be much harder to replace than a lot of traditional white collar positions. Clerical work is much easier to automate than plumbing.

Disciplines such as law, medical diagnostics, and Information technologies will eventually be as subjugated to automation as much as the transport or service industry.

What will be difficult to automate is custom fabrications, certain trades will be a safe from automation for quite some time.

However, once software is able to create better software it's all game over. Unless we as humans can adapt to a post capitalist mindset.

>I'd much rather punch an order into a kiosk and get exactly what I want
Unless Maccas are able to buy burger making machines which are able to push out burgers incredibly quickly, and have multiple arms which work perfectly, and don't fail as much as all the other mechanical aspects of the restaurant do constantly, and can afford to expand their already extremely cramped kitchens, then mass scale automation of minimum wage jobs wont happen for a very, very long time.

It's all based on how far technology will grow, if it does indeed change significantly in the next 5 years, then you're right, but Kiosks are still quite unpopular unless it's for CYT (which makes almost no money for the chain)

>tell it to someone who hardly speaks English multiple times
I'm not sure what it's like in America, but at my restaurant, only people that are confident and competent can work out front, foreigners work out back. Helps the image, but they do throw the odd female Paki to "diversify it", but they speak English pretty well.

as someone who works on machines near the entry level grunt monkeys...

the sooner we can find an alternative to cheap labor the better.

god damn these people are dumb.

wait, why do you care about gas recipt?

fpbp

because I keep track of it in a spreadsheet

You had 10 cashiers, but you only need 1 technician to maintain 10 automatic payment terminals.

>10 cashiers
Walmarts don't even have 10 cashiers outside of holidays, let alone fast food, where 3 is about the best you will get and they usually only have a cashier working 6 automatic terminals at a time and often that isn't even enough actual people if there are a bunch of old people.

as soon as paying workers is more expensive then paying for a machine to do the job.

It was just to point out that the "shifting" myth is just that, a myth. Automation destroys jobs and makes people useless.

I just showed how you were wrong, though, people still need to run the machines and they can just do business much more quickly during peak hours.

Its the middle class office jobs that get hit first.

I think OP meant how long in first world countries

You didn't prove anything, it just means that we're not there yet. When I was a kid you would find around 10 employees in a post office. Now there are machines for everything, and even during rush hour 2 employees can run the damn office. The machines in the post office don't need any employee assisting you. They're fully automatic.

What happens when all the old people die and everyone knows how to use machines? The old people you're referring to go to human cashiers or need assistance to use machines not because they're old, but because they have no idea how to use the machines, they probably rarely even used a computer in their lifetime. Also, there are many kinds of automatic payment terminals, for instance at IKEA there's just a guy that quickly checks to see if what you have in your cart is what is on your ticket. In some shops, an employee helps you and validates your payment. All of this is transitional, you have to realize that at some point it will all be fully automatic. That is the goal. Whether they use rfid chips or something else, the end game is to get rid of human employees for this type of job.

How many post office machine factories were there at the time?

Some people's goals are to think happy happy thoughts and fly off to never never land, they usually just die disappointing, people have wanted fully automated food supplies to come to them since before grocery stores even existed.

Where's my flying car?

>walk into mcdicks
>get in line for window since I have cash
>dumb sheboon "concierge" tells me I can use the machine if I want (WHY DO YOU WANT TO RENDER YOURSELF OBSOLETE, NIGGER?)
>tell her no, I'm paying with cash
>she says I can do the order on it and pay at window
>tell her I'd still have to get back in line anyway so what's the point
What's worse is the location had to take two tables out for those fucking things.

not unless you keep reforming schools to keep up with that pace

I waited in line at the counter for over 5 minutes before realizing I HAD to use the machines. Staff walked right by me. What absolute bullshit. Can't wait until burger flipping becomes robotic.

I dislike cashiers going away. Fuck McDonald's anyway, their food is overpriced, too small and tastes awful.

Anybody who thinks robots aren't taking jobs is an idiot. We're going to turn into more of a socialist state where programmers, engineers and technicians are more sought after while the poor dumb fucks will live off welfare and other people's taxes. We should euthanize these people.

>at maccers
>queue of about 10 people waiting to order, nobody at the machines
>order at a machine
>beardy weirdy walks in with his fat girlfriend, 'thank god they have machines so we don't have to communicate with a REAL person' he scoffs while looking at me
>he gets into the queue behind ten others, thank god his important morals are intact
>get my food while he is still in queue
>give him a wink and a pat on the back
>he looks down in shame and his girlfriend goes to use the machine

It has already begun so 5-10 years maybe?
Unless there's a huge economic or political event that brings the investments at halt.

This.

With these machines, one person can do the jobs of possibly 10's if not hundreds of people by simply acting as a 'overseer' for multiple fully automated robots.

Wal-mart is already experiencing with EPC tags that will replace bar-codes in near future possibly dropping the need for cashiers to a fraction of what we have today. This will allow people to just take their purchases through 'a gate' that will automatically register your items which you can proceed to pay through self-service kiosks. The items will be tracked through the shop making it very difficult to steal anything.
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For my understanding Mac Donald's is already implementing self service kiosks to it's restaurants. It's only matter of time before machines make the burgers as well.
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Automated vehicles are no longer things of science fiction either and in a case of failure it can easily be taken over by a human remotely with proper infrastructure.

Say hello to a new private debt bubble and even more poverty.

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No flying cars. Self-driving cars will be soon, though, and the increase in traffic efficiency will make road trips much faster.

It'll also put loads of driving jobs out of work.

The lack of good teachers and the low difficulty of university pisses me off.

Honestly would prefer machines to make the burgers if they became consistant. There is nothing that will put you off McDonalds more than seeing the person who is putting your food together.

you hiring?

would work for pennies

>this happens
>company car
>gas paid for with company credit card
>HAVE to go inside and actually interact with the cashier to get the receipt

but im an unskilled man with a penchent for laboring.

where's my fucking job?
i even worked in retail for a while before they found it was cheaper to keep the women on who were hired with me

Then there will be new entry level jobs.

The best way to deal with unemployment is this:
1. Offer everyone a minimum wage government job doing something useful but not profitable - local governments have no shortage of such jobs to be done
2. Get people back out of those basic jobs by cutting taxes so that sales will rise and firms will hire people
3. Keep offering the basic transition job to anyone who wants one so that labour markets remain tight, but also keep private sector employment as high as reasonably possible

This way we get the best of both worlds: Everyone willing has a job, and government doesn't outbid any employers above minimum wage.

LEAF

idk, but I've been to McDonalds and I know a manager of one with those touchscreen machines

People don't like them, and it's not because they don't understand them. People like to be served. Cashiers aren't going away anytime soon for most stores and restaurants.