The only reason is because it tastes good and everyone else does it.
But do you honestly think that's a good trade for the degenerative health it causes?
The cholesterol content both from meat and dairy leads to the clogging your blood vessels, and is the no.1 reason you are going to die if you are in the US/America
It leads to colorectal, breast and prostate cancer. The meat digestion produces androgen that enlarges the prostate. it also has IGF-1 (insulin like growth factor) which significantly aids the proliferation of cancer cells
Not too much creating insulin spikes, leading to diabetes (type 2), it leads to obesity, and contains hormones and antibiotics from animals
Some vegans are wankers but most are nice people, some a little too passionate in what they believe.
But don't let the meat and dairy jews deceive you any longer, here are some sources below in no particular order to get you started thinking more:
Fuck off, I eat meat because it tastes good. It has never affected my entire fucking lineage and it isn't going to start now.
Colton Ross
Some might say meat contains essential vitamins or proteins This simply isn't true - plant proteins are completely fine and iron, selenium, zinc, calcium can be easily FOUND in plants.
Look up brazil nut selenium content
B12 is injected into animals anyway, but i recommend the one thing vegans should supplement in case.
And humans simply do not have the adaptations of carnivores no matter how you look at it - they can only digest a small amount of meat safely.
Benjamin Walker
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Landon Jenkins
we are herbivorous in the sense if you are interested in optimal health
however that doesn't necessarily mean we don't have the potential to allow meat to pass through our system relatively safely if in a small quantity. Hence i don't think its nECESSARY to be 100% vegan but at least cut down you meat to 1-2 servings a week at MOST
Charles Miller
>Why do you eat meat?
Look at the 10 smartest animals on the planet. How many eat meat?
Human intelligence is a direct product of humans being meat eaters. It is natural to WANT to eat it and the human body is designed to process it accordingly.
You don't want to eat meat? Fine, that is your choice. Wanting to eat meat is a natural instinct and shouldn't be discouraged.
>Muh cancer rates
Yeah? Cancer will get you anyway. Live long enough background radiation will absolutely cause your body to turn on itself. A slightly increased chance of getting cancer is a pretty stupid reason to stop doing something.
Julian Hill
still, it's a choice between what tastes good and not only lowering your quality of life but jeopardising you to serious non-communicable disease
your taste bud changes anyway when you stop. There is a lot of natural flavour that you can't sense when you desensitize your tongue to it from meat/dairy (and ideally salts and oils aswell)
Jose Phillips
A literally vegan diet with no supplements will kill you, just throwing that out there.
A pure meat diet? You will live fine.
Nolan Williams
The notion that humans became smart from meat is a good argument, thanks for not starting with "fuck off vegan" like most kek
i dont have many sources on this but there is a good video i will show you if you want to see it; pretty much saying how it was starchy foods that developed the human mind; using analyses of paleolithic shit fossils, and stuff like that. Either way, today at least, there is no evidence to suggest veganism causes mental and evolutionary regression
We are all going to die. That doesn't mean you should be indifferent about it. If you got it I'm sure you'd regret not doing something as simple as changing your diet in time before being diagnosed. Or maybe not I don't know you, but anyway: a fear of death shouldn't motivate the removal of meat from diet - but also the joy of life and improved quality of life when you rid yourself of the saturated fat cholesterol and dairy in your diet
Dylan Anderson
vegans who are vegan for ethical reasons are more affected by that concept
i am more of a health/environment-based vegan rather than animal ethics; so I am fine to use a supplement
i occasionally might have a biscuit or two with dairy or small flakes of tuna on a meal. however i like to habitualize the action of eating vegan as much as possible, but i recognise that there will be times where it'll be inconvenient and problematic to be vegan
if i was in the wild and starving; i would more than happy to shoot a cow in the fucking head. it would be kinda cool actually
Isaac Gray
>That chart
That is a garbage chart.
>Hands and hooves means your are a herbivore
Hands? That means you are a god damned omnivore.
>Lapping makes you a carnivore
Rabbits are carnivores now, who knew?
>Sweat vs pants
Animals that communicate via scent pant to cool off, however they are capable of sweating and mainly do so for chemical communication.
The whole thing is just bullshit from a biological perspective and if that is in a science textbook the authors need to beaten with a brick and fed to hogs (which couldn't possibly eat them because they have hooves and that means they must be herbivores)
William Diaz
has anyone been BTFO'd yet?
Thomas Brown
that's right, eat your cereal with bananas and over-priced organic kale, good goy
Brandon Green
Because I can.
Adrian Long
it's not arguing that humans are completely herbivores and cannot digest meat
it simply draws attention to the fact humans have characteristics favourable to an herbivorous organism
lots of vegans/doctors realise that you can have meat in the diet in small quantities. The longest living people eat pork 1-3 times a fortnight.
humans can digest meat. but just because you can doesn't necessarily mean you should
Christian Cooper
>A pure meat diet? You will live fine.
KEK. see pic related. i haven't drank blood since 2004 and went from 250 to 120 pounds. learn to ferment and culture vegetables/nuts/seeds and you get more protein (in amino acid form) than you could ever imagine.
t. ex subhuman burger
Jason Hernandez
kek
i don't think you understand the grip the meat and dairy legal and political powers have over everyone
why the fuck would you need milk to be COMPULSORY in schools when plants have enough calcium - and milk causes protein-induced hypercalceurea anyway
because the dairy is good friends with the politicans
the food pyramid is a fucking meme. meat and dairy are not essential parts of the diet.
candy shouldn't even be considered food
Samuel Jackson
would you jump off a building because you can?
No
so why would you damage your body with meat because you can?
Matthew Bailey
it's the other way round. why do you think taxpayers are being forced to pay billions and billions to support the meat industry?
Daniel Wood
>Starchy foods developed human brains
That doesn't explain how carnivores, almost across the board are smarter than herbivores.
You have a few exceptions, but it usually requires a massive brain for the animals size (like the elephant) or major domestication (like a horse) to be outside the norm.
Simply put it takes basically zero intellgenence to nibble plants all day and run when something chases you from an evolutionary standpoint, but it takes a helluva a lot more to track, hunt, and kill another animal.
>We shouldn't feel indifferent about death
No, we shouldn't, but we shouldn't artifically extend our life spans to the point that we are basically nothing but sponges on society for decades either. A smoking pile of fat may get a lot of shit from people on here about how much they cost health services for example, but that tub of grease smoke will almost always die before they hit 70. A healthy vegan person, like you are suggesting we become, will often live in to their late 80's and early 90's and guess what, from 60's on, most people are total healthcare and government subsidies sponges and play havoc with the economy.
Fatty McCigarretes isn't even doing a fraction of the damage healthy pants McGee is in the long term from a financial standpoint.
Kevin Nguyen
>so why would you damage your body with meat because you can?
Because I want to on top of that.
Jace Perry
Animal protein actually leads to a phenomena called "Protein-Induced Hypercalceurea" occurs in which the protein's acidity actually dissolves and leeches calcium off your bones and is excreted in your piss.
When you drink milk, the protein count actually overpowers the uptake of calcium and causes a negative calcium loss. Milk, despite what we've been told time and time again, doesn't give you strong bones.
Jason Richardson
cholesterol isn't bad for you. That's a myth post ww2. it's as silly an idea as having bread and wheat on the bottom cornerstone of the food pyramid. Do the research, there's more causal link between sugar and heart disease than cholesterol.
aka a Keto diet is ideal.
Dylan Nelson
Two years ago I weighed 240 lbs, now I weigh 140, all I did was start walking twice a day for 10-15 minutes, and cut away my soda. Or pop. Or soda pop. Either way, it takes self control on some level, not just the idea of a stupid diet.
Adam Morales
Jesus fuck dude you're gonna die someday anyway, just do what you want. Pol needs to get over le degenerate meme because you guys end up being like those straight edge faggots
Grayson Smith
Meat is far more heavily regulated and controlled than fruits and vegetables are in terms of crops, hence the subsidies.
Hell, it that over-regulation that has caused the price of beef to skyrocket in the past five years in the states. The Buerau of Land Management sticking their noses in cattle production and snapping up land in grazing areas to protect golf ball sized turtles and shit led to many cattle ranchers quitting the industry altogether and the extra cost that ranchers have to pay in maintaining those cattle are reflected in the price. $10.00 a pound is completely fucked.
>Starchy foods developed human brains im not too informed on the subject - so you get this one my friend
>We shouldn't feel indfferent about death
The conflicting idea we have is that plant-based diet is healthier. If it was healthier - then therefore it wouldn't be artificially extending our lives by eating plant-based, but rather fulfilling the full potential of lifespan that we were designated - which is only in our best natural interest/instinct
And what you said about 60's on: quite a few of those diseases can be prevented by being vegan anyway. The shortening of telomeres on DNA by meat causes premature aging and associated disease. So healthcare costs would literally skyrocket (considering that the top causes of disease will all be eliminated (mostly of course, never get rid of 100% of cases))
to be a vegan isn't that expensive - but i cant really provide an argument or a study or source about it, but just personal experience
Christopher Collins
Then my response to that is why haha
see the studies i posted about cholesterol
... cool. i agree, but what about literally all the other diseases i listed?
see picture; referring to reasons to be vegan
Logan Parker
Fortunately, is still abundant as a vegan
fucked
Jackson Brown
>Then my response to that is why haha
Because I enjoy preparing, cooking and eating meat and I have yet to see any negative health impact from it.
The real question is why you feel the need to make these threads every other day?
Jeremiah Foster
because there is a negative health impact from eating meat
see my sources if you want to understand more about your health
Oliver Price
I will remain omnivorous thank you very much. Even if there's a negative health impact from the carnivorous side to the equation, it is still part of the food equation that humans crave. This is due in large part to the good amounts of fat and amino acids that are found within animal protein that you have to use supplements to get if you go full vegan or even if you go vegetarian. Death is inevitable, accept it and live in a way that you feel is the proper path for you. I will enjoy my consumption of meat, and I wish you the same joy in your way of life. Just stop pushing this on others.
Zachary Smith
>see my sources if you want to understand more about your health
I can't remember partaking in those studies, user. So no, these sources don't talk about my health.
Benjamin Wright
>it tastes good This and the fact we've been doing it for thousands of years.
Christian Stewart
there is nothing wrong with plant protein, and it is obtainable through grains, legumes, nuts etc.
too much animal protein causes calcium deficiency aswell
no one needs to supplement for protein as a vegan. only b12.
about the death - see pic related there's a difference between bringing up the issue and pushing it on others. this is not pushing my views on others
Jonathan Edwards
your loss
enough evidence shows (as in some of my sources) not only are humans able to live plant-based, they live even longer.
how can meat be the best food for you when it gives you cancer?
Caleb Hughes
alright, im off to bed
John Robinson
>your loss
If only you would've had that mentality before making this slide thread.
Logan Adams
>there is nothing wrong with plant protein Not true. Most plants that contain higher amounts of protein (like legumes) make you gassy and fart a lot. In addition to this, the amounts are lower than in meat so instead of having a small serving of meat you have to shovel beans into your mouth like it's going out of style.
Isaac Harris
when you finally see the truth, you'll understand why i made this thread
you're right, it's can be inconvenient
Jason Harris
>120 pounds
Girl or manlet?
Dylan Walker
You talk as if I care what your opinion on my diet is. You need to understand that more than anything else. All roads we take in life will ultimately lead to death, you chose yours and I chose mine. Stop shooting your piss filled water balloons at my road while I am acting peaceably and not even looking at your road. Unless a whole bevy of personal doctors tell me to not eat meat for my own good, I shall not divert from my path. Even if my path is shorter for it, I shall maintain it as long as I can. You are not someone I have hired to advise me on my own situation, kindly take this to a board that cares.
Lincoln Robinson
Why mention veganism, vegetarianism is much healthier and it seems much more rational imo. Try naming any famous scientist that is not famous for pop-sci stuff(Bill Nye doesn't count), I guarantee they will be vegetarian.
Jaxson Robinson
bait thread, always check the flag guys. a real Australian would never be vegan or any sort of faggy variation.
Chase Gonzalez
>when you finally see the truth, you'll understand why i made this thread
It's because you vegans are insufferable faggots that can't shut up about their diet.
Since you're a liar there's no reason to take anything else you wrote in this thread seriously either.
Ayden Smith
Humans may have became intelligent by eating meat, but humans don't need to keep eating meat to improve or retain their intelligence. Every nutrient available in meat that has an effect on intelligence is also available in healthier and more moral vegetarian sources. This is made evident by the fact that vegetarians have an average IQ of 10 points higher than meat-eaters. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6180753.stm
Carter Powell
>It's because you vegans are insufferable faggots that can't shut up about their diet. notanargument.jpg
Easton Butler
At least 50% of my diet is protein every single day (with at least half of that coming directly from animal meat), I'm 6'1" at 190 lbs and 8% bodyfat. Every vegan I've ever seen looks like they're in the terminal stages of AIDS.
Carson Fisher
Considering that this thread is the evidence substantiating my assertion, yes, it is an argument.
You can go now, potato nigger.
Grayson Powell
>Even if my path is shorter for it >Unironically being willing to die for meat I don't get this. I do everything I can to be as healthy as possible because I don't want to die. The thought of ceasing to exist scares the shit out of me. I honestly cannot comprehend why anybody would be willing to knock years off of their life for meat, I tasted it before, it's okay, not enough to literally die for though. Not to mention all of the moral reasons to not eat meat. First off it requires empathetic and intelligent animals to suffer and die solely for your pleasure. Same thing as beating a dog to death with a shovel for pleasure. Then there's the fact that it causes more global warming than any other industry, even the transport industry. Then due to its inefficiency, it causes hunger. If America alone stopped eating meat they could feed 800 million more people. news.cornell.edu/stories/1997/08/us-could-feed-800-million-people-grain-livestock-eat Veganism is unnecessary imo. But vegetarianism is significantly healthier and more moral. It's also pretty easy to do.
Liam Ward
>you are wrong because you can't shut up Sorry missed that argument, wtf I love meat now!
Lincoln Jenkins
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Jason Hill
>because I don't want to die.
Veganism doesn't make you immortal, retard.
Thomas Evans
A pure vegetarian diet is the only pure diet that won't be unhealthy for you. A pure meat diet would kill you in a matter of months from scurvy. A pure vegan diet might not kill you but it'll probably make you unhealthy. I'm defining a pure diet as one that requires no supplements and only requires one food type.
Kayden Taylor
>doesn't know the difference between veganism and vegetarianism Haha >Veganism doesn't make you immortal I didn't say it did. I clearly did not say it did. I did not do anything to suggest it did. What I did say was that vegetarianism significantly increases your life expectancy, which it does, retard.
Andrew Scott
lmao
love ya m8
Wyatt Peterson
I don't want to die either but we are all going to at some point. I'm with you though, it makes sense to be as healthy as possible. I just think that the difference between somebody living into their upper 70's to 90's is usually just luck/genetics. I knew some grandma that lived to be almost 100 and she would eat a bunch of unhealthy sugary shit.
Usually anything before the upper 70's is due to some consistently ad lifestyle choice. IMO, i don't know enough about meat/veganism to make a strong choice one way or the other. I'm somewhere in the middle. I eat what amounts to be a Mediterranean-ish diet. Meat constitutes about 5-10% of what I eat and I fast (religious reasons) from all animal products at various times of the year.
What is your diet anyway fellow Irishbro?
Jaxson Thomas
>doesn't know the difference between veganism and vegetarianism >Haha Same shit on the "having to talk about their diet" front.
>I didn't say it did. You implied it with > I do everything I can to be as healthy as possible because I don't want to die. The thought of ceasing to exist scares the shit out of me.
Since you're not going to achieve that goal with your diet, yout diet becomes a non factor in that argument. You living longer means jack shit since you living longer != you not dying. You'll die, and once you're dead it won't matter what you've eaten, which was the point of the user you replied to.
Aaron Morales
>it makes sense to be as healthy as possible The guy I was responding to said that. I'm not responding to you anymore. You're retarded or trolling. If I hate the thought of death it makes sense to live as long as possible. That isn't difficult to understand.
Carson Johnson
Some people get really lucky, I might, considering my family has a long history of living for 100+ years. I know I probably won't get lucky but I still want to minimize my chances of dying young because of something that could have been prevented. I eat a lot of protein powder and penne arrabiata. I eat a lot of Italian food. They do vegetarianism best imo.
Robert Jenkins
>If I hate the thought of death it makes sense to live as long as possible.
Be consequentual, turn it off and do something healthy.
Josiah Watson
Better to burn bright and short than to constantly have your flame low and weak. We all will burn out, the question is not 'if' but 'when'. As for your moral argument, there's a limit to what one individual can do, how much they can affect change in the world. You are trying to rope more into the small circle of influence you have than you can reasonably handle. The only thing you can really do is have ownership of the self and the actions thereof. This is the framework I have for my moral compass. Changing minds by one's actions is the only way to make things happen the way you want. The intellectual framing of the argument over food choice and the moralizing is ignoring the fact that we ourselves are animals, no more and no less. Killing another existing life or potential existing life, be it plant or animal, is necessary for our own survival. The only difference between vegetarians and omnivores is the moral weight of the killing. You put more moral weight on the killing of animals, I put little moral weight on either. This is up to our choice of thought and actions. My life is my own, why are you so concerned with my death, or your own for that matter? If there is nothing but a void after death, why not enjoy all life has to offer? Why not burn bright every so often? Why stay at a near-guttering state at all times? If the question of death is indeed 'when' and not 'if', why not focus on the next question 'how'? You seem to have found your answer to all of these, I have found mine. Stop trying to mess with the oil in my lamp and focus on your own.
Aaron Johnson
>Better to burn bright and short than to constantly have your flame low and weak
Good point but it's up to the individual to determine what their flame is in order to be constructive. Do they want to be the world's best bodybuilder (i.e. eat an unnatural amount of meat take a bunch of steroids then die at 50? Or be an NFL player who dies in his 50's after living the prime years of his life in a mansion as a multimillionaire?)
For me, one 'flame' I choose to have burn bright regardless of potential consequences is NoFap. I have no idea what the consequences are (some say that not masturbating gives you prostate cancer) but I know that I feel more confident, alert, productive, energetic, etc by abstaining from masturbation. I would rather get prostate cancer at 60 after maximizing my potential than masturbate multiple times a week since it's 'healthy' yet feel sluggish all for just extending my life a few measly years.
Joshua Morgan
I only eat (unprocessed) chicken because my family has a history of colon cancer.
Angel Davis
Let f equal the average intensity of your "flame" in your life. If a meat-eater's f = 10, then at absolute lowest, his f if he was vegetarian would be 9.9. And that's assuming he really really liked meat. We can multiply these figures by average life expectancy figures to get the total amount of fire in your life. For the average meat-eater it would be 10*70=700, for the average vegetarian it would be 9.9*82=811.8. So the vegetarian experiences 17% more fire in his life.
Liam Green
You are over-analyzing a metaphor, stop. Let me ask you, why are you so concerned with how long MY flame lasts? Do you not have one of your own? Tend it, make it last as long as you want. Let me tend mine and make it last as long as I want. Whilst these flames burn, others may see how you tend your flame and mimic it because they seem to agree with your way of thinking on the subject, others will continue their own way. Stop trying to tend other people's flames when you have your own to look after. I can extend this metaphor as long as you like.
Henry Evans
The extra enjoyment you'd get from eating meat is not worth the 10 years lower life expectancy. That's all there is to it. >why are you so concerned with how long MY flame lasts? Why did you go on a thread dedicated to debating if you don't want to debate?
Owen Myers
Because it provides your body with a dense source of nutrition that contains a high level of protein and beneficial hormones and hormone precursors, which all come together to form a healthy basis for human growth.
Isaac Stewart
And this is the crux of the issue, I feel the extra enjoyment IS worth that decade of life. Just because you say all the health benefits of not eating meat justifies the practice of not eating meat and the moral implications give you the high ground does not mean all will agree with your justification. You don't seem to understand that is what I was getting at. Just because there are certain objective benefits does not preclude a subjective choice in the matter. Both your stance on the objective facts and mine are subjective, which is to say partial. You are presenting your stance as the objective truth, stop that. You feel it isn't worth the decade of lost life, I feel it is, those are both equally valid ideas to have when presented with objective fact. Even if your flame lasts longer due to your tending practices, will it feel as warm as mine does for me? If it feels warm enough for you, go for it.
Gabriel Myers
Blood cholesterol is from being fat, not from eating cholesterol. Blood cholesterol levels describe the kind of fat that the cholesterol globules carry. Hence the distinction between good (high density) and bad (low density) cholesterol.
The key to avoiding atherscolosos and heart failure is maintaining a low bodyfat percentage and doing regular cardio
Colorectal cancer is due to low fiber diets. Eat your vegetables. There is no link between meat consumption and prostate or breast cancer.
The hormone levels found in even regular branded food products are many orders of magnitude times lower than the daily production rates of these hormones in even adult humans. But you can still buy more purified products if you wish.
Insulin spikes are caused by any food intake, but high simple carbs are especially reactive
People suffer because they eat too much and do too little.
