Time: Venezuela is Dying

>time.com/venezuela-brink/
Read this, Sup Forums. All of it is true.

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They didn't fight against the upper class and are paying the price.

there are a few Ven posters left. Last week, a few user gave one who was starving $23 to cross border and buy food.
Not necessarily a proxy.

before you ask, yes, obviously he did provide proof of where he was and who and that he was down to his last egg.

lol it was a brit with a proxy. he even came out and said it himself that he felt bad people were donating to him

The upper class got destroyed. What are you talking about?

Not a proxy, mate. NetUNO and Inter aren't banned. The largest one ABA is though.

Another failure of capitalism.

They didn't invest in the means of production

Time Magazine editorial team is a cesspit of leftwingers. Now the whole world is seeing the policies they champion being implemented in a country resulting in misery, they turn around and condemn it to save face. I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in that publication they say what's happening in Venezuela is not REAL progressive politics.

These people are disgusting.

If only they'd had more socialism

>Venezuelas government seized the means of production
>Capitalism

Leftists will somehow come up with a theory that Venezuela wasn't really socialist

>lol it was a brit with a proxy.
doubt it was same one, as usual one person probably saw it worked and tried it again wit a proxy and it worked.
Whatever happened, donating to anyone over the net is a shit idea, if people got robbed they deserve it....

>state capitalism
>not capitalism

if the United States had not meddled and oppositions do not try the coup none of this would have happened.

Maduro would have exposed his incompetence without being able to divert attention to an external enemy.

>socialism destroys countries

Well I never. You should join one of those right wing death squads they mention near the start of the article.

If you're going to die at least you can kill some filthy leftists first.

Civil war when ?

Has there ever been a socialist country able to feed itself, or is economically demolishing agriculture just part of the process

wonder what slicer stone is saying these days, the dumb jew bastard.
Although, given given VZ's oil reserves, wouldn't be surprised if CIA were trying for a coup, bc once the Saudis destroy fracking industry here, are going to jack it back up to $120 a barrel.

If you could trust the bastards, why not give them aid now in exchange for future dibs on oil fields?

The United States is to communists as Jews were to Hitler.

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Alright let's get this argument out of the way already.
Is Venezuela socialist, or state capitalist?
Seems like the definition of socialism to me.

tfw u escaped that shithole years ago

feels good man

I saw a burger here that actually sent a package to a venezuelan with food, mobile phones and Pepe. At least the package got to Venezuela, don't know if he was being scammed though.

This

Socialism. There's not even a discussion.

if i save up a few thousand dollarydoos, can i fly to venezuela and live like a king for a while? how much do decent-tier hookers charge for a blowjob?

a bag of rice.

cant be socialism
not while a tiny elite take all the wealth and resources and hoard them

just look up maduro and his military buddies and their families and friends

>cant be socialism
>not while a tiny elite take all the wealth and resources and hoard them

What the fuck do you think happens when Socialism is applied in practice? Exactly what you just said. Every single time. Look at eastern bloc countries late 80's and North Korea for proof.

You moron. Educate yourself before posting.

Fuck off now, I don't wanna see you posting your retarded nonsense any more.

It's socialist, was never debated until it started crumbling, now socialists are saying it's state capitalist to save face. Suicidal people.

>What the fuck do you think happens when Socialism is applied in practice?

as soon as a small powerful elite take the lions share, thats not socialism

by definition, that has to be shared for it to be socialism

whether or not such a nation starts out socialist to any degree is immaterial

>Its not real socialism because a few people have all the wealth
>Its not real capitalism because welfare
>Its not real fascism because real fascism doesn't involve genocide
>Its not real feudalism because the nobles rule over the peasants instead of being equal partner performing different roles

True, but in Socialist states that ALWAYS ends up happening. So what the fuck are you trying to say?

be serious

so is rice hard to come by there, as in food shortages, or is everyone just broke as shit?

i'm legitimately considering it

>not while a tiny elite take all the wealth and resources and hoard them
It's the so called dictatorship of the proletariat. Though if you want a more exact term, Venezuela is a kleptocracy.

fuck those commie scumbags. go suck hugo chavez dead dick faggot.

Ha serves you right.

Would expect the same here if Corbyn was elected.

Wait, wasn't this cover of Time magazine for this month? Did they change it or is this fake?

>True,but in Socialist states that ALWAYS ends up happening.

no, there has never been any nation that is a perfect absolute example of some economic ideology, but venezeula is not always the end result of a nation beginning as mostly socialist

>So what the fuck are you trying to say?

exactly what i said

"whether or not such a nation starts out socialist to any degree is immaterial"

Oh so you're just saying "muh not true socialism". Sorry I thought you were trying to make a valid point. My bad.

Fuck off pinko scum.

this gem from the article is beyond comedy

speaking of maduro:
"On TV, he blames the crisis on rich Venezuelans working with the CIA and Colombian paramilitaries across the border. "

oh my god

>Oh so you're just saying "muh not true socialism"

no, again, what i said is exactly what i said
nothing else

>Sorry I thought you were trying to make a valid point. My bad.

no it was socialist indeed
what folly do you not see in trying to shoves words in folks mouths... and through the web no less

So does this mean Venezuela is going to be the first country of the 21st century to adopt fascism?

Those fucking paramilitaries. Always hogging the toilet paper. Didn't they see the anti hording law we passed?
Like how Russia starved Ukraine and then wrote a bunch of decrees demanding that something be done.

Why can't we just fly some fucking food in and feed the people? Billions are being spent in immagration but we can't spend some on feeding a country that's eating cats and dogs , WTF world.

>expect the same here if Corbyn was elected.

Could he be any worse than May at this point?
> no article 50
> refuses to call a snap general despite fact they'd decimate labour and possibly even lose their status as official opposition
>why no snap general? she's too afraid of UKIP
>top priority seems to be "Stopping internet hate" and those poor foreigners who claim people said "mean things" to them-- the same foreigners who gang raped over 1,000 underage girls in Rotherham for 12 years.

mate you are even more fucked than we are, and that's saying a lot...

do you know how much luck that would require?

ahahaha
trust me the aircraft would be shot down on sight

They are sanctioning and driving foreign companies out.

hang in there, penesuela.

>be 70 years old
>have to degrade yourself to a circus clown to get money

Hilarious. This is why socialists deserve the gas chamber.

So what happens after the Veenezualian government collapses?

I heard that there are food shortages everywhere. Whenever food appears they have to wait in lines for 8 or more hours to get it. I don't know specifically about the rice. If you just want to be a good guy and help them just take any kind of food that won't rot in a few days and they will be very pleased.

If you are asking because of the whores just use american dollars. The government fucked the exchange rates, my guess is that with 5 dollars a hoooker will treat you like a king.

So the world will sit back, and let thousands of people die, because politics? Unacceptable.

>as soon as a small powerful elite take the lions share, thats not socialism
But that is socialism. Socialists have to take everything first before they share it and that's always the job of a small powerful elite group in the socialist/communist government. How many of those governments or any government really just as good at giving it back again?
None.
Never trust power that isn't held at the local level. Local food banks have always been better and more efficient at feeding the hungry than big government. It's the same with everything else. Power over you is a bad thing when it's held 100's to 1000's of miles away from you, absolute power when it's held that way is unlivable.

it has happened many times, and on worse scales than this

those who have the power to make help happen do not have the incentive, neither in money nor political pressure to do jack squat

You are a retard. These policies are not due to the "1%" but rather shit populist socialist policies instigated by a populist totalitarian dictator and his regime. The rich and middle classes had their wealth destroyed/inflated to nothing, while only the super rich and/or politically connected were able to preserve some wealth by moving wealth abroad.

Jesus fuck you are an ignorant and useful idiot.

time is weekly

it was mostly about the whores

but i would be taking as much canned food as possible, too. i wonder if their customs would care...

Or it wasn't socialist enough, or the right kind of socialism.

>AIDS isn't a series of devastating infections that's kills you
>the moment you start dying becasue those series of seriously devastating infections, you're not dying of AIDS, you're dying of unrelated infections
>true AIDS has never been attempted, dying of infection doesn't prove AIDS is deadly

I've realized that only the rich & powerful and the poor are the junky ones that are left under a socialist system

I don't believe it will ever be a thing true to "real socialism." People don't want to live in a Jonestown-style commune.

They set themselves on fire, it's not our job to help them.

These periods of great suffering are moments of learning and growth for a culture. And if they do not learn, they will suffer again, eventually.

Adapt or perish.

well no
because in fact, that populist dictator and his cronies were/are the 1%

actually much less
and indeed, that top elite has shrunk a very great deal

you are both right, they could have prevented it by revolting against the highest elite then, though with much less support

and need to do so now with much greater support, but a much more vicious and dug-in elite

thats right
aids does not kill you
it lets everything else kill you

if there were no pathogens whatsoever and your body never made metabolic mistakes then you could not die "from" aids

strawman

the entire populace is not to blame

thing is, those who are willing to help all around the world are quite unable to do so in any way

>Has there ever been a socialist country able to feed itself?
Well there was this one country that could do it, but the socialists don't like to talk about that one.

p.s.
the world never learned

every government that ends up that way, for those who knew of such things in the past or were warned, the response is always

"but we are different"

Instead of flying bombs to Syria, fly food to Venezuela it's not a hard concept to grasp....

And if there were no humans than socialism wouldn't lead to a small group of elites taking the lion's share and exploiting the proles

most of scandinavia too, is very socialist

nice try david

Sup Forums was donating to actual subhumans?

Wtf is this bullshit!?

>take all the farming land from the wealthy and redistribute it to the peasants who have no fucking clue how to farm

>build a bunch of industrial buildings in areas that don't produce the commodites necessary to utilize that industry in an effort to "spread out the wealth"

>base your entire commodity around exporting oil and importing everything else

>allow the government to become so thoroughly corrupt that the military have been caught smuggling drugs, the President's cousin got caught trying to sell 80kgs of cocaine to an undercover cop, and the national assembly is completely incapable of actually legislating

>ban guns and turn your capital city into one giant hellhole that is quite literally the murder capital of the world

Gee I wonder how any of this could have went wrong?

Given how difficult it is to get food there now I think that the customs would try to confiscate it to sell in the black market.

>some sort of strawman circus-tier fantasy hypothetical

too much face to and respect from wealthy and powerful lobbyists and international political connections to lose to try anything that reasonable

Can we get a compilation of socialists saying how great Venezuela is?

State capitalist???

Wtf is this newspeak!?

So basically whenever socialism is on its last leg t becomes state capitalism?

Because if they had the economic sense to do so, they'd be rich and then use that money to escape their shithole.

>easier to open a business that the majority of the world
>it's socialist guys

>that pic

youre 1st 2 lines has shit all to do with causing this crisis

only your third line hits the nail

and this from the article:
"Chavez also fixed prices on basic foodstuffs, from coffee to cookies. When it became unprofitable for Venezuelan companies to make such things, Chavez simply used oil money to import them from abroad. "

and
"And to stop people from dumping their bolivars, which were losing value, he restricted who could buy dollars and fixed the rate."

and the government refuses to budge on either one, not the purchase rates, and not the exchange rates they have set in stone

Blame has little to do with it. This is simply cause and effect.

Let stupidity reign, and you get a stupid end.

Sure, because the government there will totally let "The Evil Americans"™ do that without stopping the shipments and seizing them for themselves and reselling them for profit.

You can cry falicy all you want, I'm just using your own logic against you.
If what I'm saying sound ludicrous, maybe you should examine your own beliefs.

socialists gonna socialism

Socialism which in the end always become Communism. Sadly, many millennials believe that Socialism is good.

no, the fact a nation is on its last leg, whether it started as socialist, is immaterial

it is state capitalist if it fits the meaning

stop trying to ascribe to an agenda

whether or not that is true is cherry picking and incidental and shotgun fallacy if i recall

Not the entire populous, but most of them as they overwhelmingly voted for Chavez when he came into the political arena and his populist socialist ideals. He did EXACTLY what he said he would, but the uneducated voters (much like ours here) were to stupid to see how it would all play out. So, yes, they ARE to blame. We all deserve the government we elect, and Chavez was legally elected.

>Instead of flying bombs to Syria, fly food to Venezuela it's not a hard concept to grasp....
It's way harder than that. If humanitarian aid comes right now to Venezuela, that'll only make Maduro and his party last longer in power. It's a hard situation for Venezuela but the best thing other countries can do right now is pressure Venezuela's government to give in and hold a recall referendum this year. Humanitarian aid can come after the government changes.

>You can cry falicy all you want,

then dont engage in them

> I'm just using your own logic against you.

no one but you put forward an infantile strawman like "without humans"

>If what I'm saying sound ludicrous,

but yeah, somehow isnt

>maybe you should examine your own beliefs.

>belief

faith has nothing to do with what is going on there, nor does the fact that these words here like "socialism" have words and meaning for which you wish to shoot messengers for mentioning

no
the best thing is a full invasion to erase him and put something sane in his place

Hopefully enough of the ignorant poor starved to death so that sensible voters won't be drowned out by the clambering populist masses like they did with Chavez, and they can elect some reasonable people.

Nigger. When I contract Ebola, it's Ebola all the way, not just when I have a fever mild vomiting, it doesn't fucking become a new disease in its final stages when I'm bleeding out of every orifice.

It's Ebola from start to finish.

Same with socialism. Just because everything begins to fall short and your economy goes to shit doesn't suddenly make the disease of socialism some new alternative system called state capitalism .


Socialism is state capitalism. It's the same fucking shit.

Forget it, he can't process facts, he's a leftist

>Nigger. When I contract Ebola, it's Ebola all the way, not just when I have a fever mild vomiting, it doesn't fucking become a new disease in its final stages when I'm bleeding out of every orifice.
>It's Ebola from start to finish.


strawman

>Same with socialism

only if it were still socialist, which precludes wealth hoarding by a small elite of all nearly all wealth and resources

it would still be socialist all of that was being evenly distributed
but its not, so no

>Socialism is state capitalism

false equivalence

They'll figure it out next time