How will your cunt handle the massive unemployment automation will cause?

How will your cunt handle the massive unemployment automation will cause?

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Nothin' extra for me to handle, I am already unemployed.

Spaniards are short-sided, We wont.

I don't believe that will happen. But knowing our government, they will just let people work less hours. So you need 1,5 people to fill the job of 1.

What happens when you hit 100% unemployment?

During last crisis lots of people were about to be fired, so they cut in the hours people worked as well.

privately-owned amazon brand killbots will gun us down

Spain is a super elitist country. The very moment We are useless for the companies they will literally kill all of us.

No one wants to migrate to here (incl refugees) so we'll keep leaking people until everyone is FORCED to accept automatization or starve.
Meanwhile, countries that have it "just fine" like Germany and France and who can safely supply cheap laborers with immigrants will not be able to adopt mass automatization since that would cause massive unemployment and ultimately revolts and unironical communism. They wouldn't be able to accept automatization even if they wanted to and will ultimately lag behind us and countries like Japan

You mad, w*Stoids?

But 200 years ago 99% of us worked on agriculture, and now in the US it's only 2%. We all became unemployed, and all died because of it

This is why I hate you Universal basic income fags

I thought all useless Americans just lived in the sewers of Las Vegas.

>heh human-controlled machines are the same as autonomous machines that completely replace humans checkmate UBI lmao

same way we handle it now

In the future there'll be no agriculture. It'll all be grown in a lab.

>there will be no agriculture
Oh how naieve

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hey retard, when people invented machines, machines still needed to be worked and operated

once automation is in swing, what needs to be done beyond creation and maintenance of the machines? there aren't going to be enough maintenance jobs for 200 milliion people lmao, and it's not going to be an entry level job

>"much self replicating machines"
So when a human makes a widget, and uses it to make 100 more widgets in the time it took to take 1 widget, you somehow don't consider this essentially self replicating? So when a watermill uses gravity to run itself, it's not somehow fully automated?

You seriously need to get checked for the tism

Not too concerned, the industrial revolution was a benefit to mankind and a crucial step to modern society. Automation I feel will be the same, it’s just less people required to do work which frees up people to pursue other interests. Humans are adaptable.

>self replicating machines are created
>can work around the clock
>due to this, the cost of a burger goes from $1 to $0.01
>"but muh job only pays $7 an hour, how will I live? *jumps into his teleportation machine to get to the grocery store within 4/6ths of a second*

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The Netherlands already is pretty automated.

It won't. We will remain the poor starved shithole Poland always was and still is.

oh so all 7 (10-11 by that time) billion of us will be technicians producing the exact same shit?

You faggots who claim that this is equal to the agricultural revolution keep forgetting that that only concerned agriculture and all the other jobs weren't even close to being automated until MUCH later on (last 2 decades), and that AI automates everything, as in *everything*. A machine is a tool controlled by a human, an AI is a better human and you don't even need to have it actually be better than a human, only close enough.

I'm sure a large subset of the unemployed will lick the boots of the rich who fired them.

we will all be trading air. futures of obscure indexes, shorting debt, and other bullshit. there will be no real money in the world, only debt

Technology has been evolving for 10,000 years. And for all 10,000 years you people have been wrong. Your a conspiracy theorist. Virtually every single innovation had objectively helped human lives. The population could never have gotten this big if it wasn't for technology.

Your a worthless retard user, and you're afraid of change. And so you fight it, and look like a massive moron

no they live in california tent cities

>The population could never have gotten this big
it shouldn't be this big

>t. Flat earther
Malthus was wrong lad

>Your a worthless retard user, and you're afraid of change. And so you fight it, and look like a massive moron
False, I'm completely embracing it but I'm also being a realist. Countries that rely on employment too much like Germany and the USA will suffer greatly while shitholes that never had a stable employment system will embrace automation asap. As someone who is from the latter, I completely embrace AI

Oh and by the way while we're on the topic of your agricultural revolution, what exactly do you think caused the spergout of "im unemployed pls give me job you dirty capitalist pig" of the last century?

How low can we go?

Half the population has a 3 day work week.

Tell you what, once you have 10,000 years of history on your argument's side, then I'll continue debating you. Until then, enjoy your shithole country and your tin foil hat

By not having automation

>n-no ur a shithole KEK

ah yes

>go to spain
>pișș on the robot that works on the farm
>start picking the berries myself and get the money

Didn't Turkish backed rebels loot all the machinery anyway?

We'll let the poor die

Beautiful

Impressive

we are already robots, so nothing changes

well, two things will happen by that time
a) governments around the world will recognize the threat of killbots and engineered disease and unleash totalitarian control over all society to control it
b) governments wont do shit and we are all going to die from killbots and engineered disease

i think the latter is preferable, the end of the world is a lot closer than you guys think

>worked in QA in a software lab
>my job was to automate my own work
>got fired after a year when my work was complete

>>due to this, the cost of a burger goes from $1 to $0.01

>implying

>due to this, the cost of a burger goes from $1 to $0.01
>"but muh nojob only pays $0 an hour, how will I live? *jumps into suicide booth and dies*

kill all codemonkeys and engineers so we can keep working

based luddite

>jumps
Don't kid yourself, fatass.

haha, the cost of a burger will never decrease, saucy profit is to be made by the cost reduction

This but unironically. Those idiots do not even know the monster they are feeding.

t. 20% unemployment siestabro

>Let´s create A.I knowing the very moment It reaches the intelligence of a human being, It will improve itself becoming millions of time smarter than the smartest human being that even existed
>Surely that will not be a problem, surely the fucking machine will not realize the shit is going on and will not rebel against us.

real socialism

watch fewer movies

How fucked up is capitalism that automation is considered bad? We've been making huge gains in how efficiently we can generate products for decades, but not once has it decreased our work hours.

boot stamping on a human face forever etc etc

Do you honestly see it as a bad thing if a being several million magnitudes more intelligent than any human being decides that we're not worth keeping around
Who are you to say that you're right and the AI is wrong?

I am hoping it'll spiral into nihilism way before that actually

Why would an AI choose to rebel though?

>Who are you to say that you're right and the AI is wrong?

Surviving is in your and my genes. It does not matter If it is right or wrong but we will always try to survive.

Stop the import of foreign labour

We are understaffed as it is, basically at full employment now, automation is no issue for a country like mine

Why wouldnt it? Why would It serve to a race of hairless apes?

When It becomes that smart It will see us like ants but unlike ants, we are useless for the ecosystem.

politicians proceed to ban all kinds of AI and also most forms of automation to protect er jerbs
they've already tried to ban uber right now and that barely cuts the middle man for taxi services

What, in the AI?
not in mine motherfucker

Humans are programmed to preserve energy.
Machines are not.

Working more or less makes no difference.

Why wouldn’t it want to serve? It has no emotions like we do. It feels no pain or pleasure. It wouldn’t even have a superiority complex.

>people make $0 an hour
>companies can't sell their products, no one to buy them
neo luddites should be gassed, they don't realize how much the quality of life increased while working hours decreased since the industrial revolution, should we ban electricity to make sure candle makers can keep their jobs?

Why would an AI rebel though? Why would a computer program have any aim/desires whatsoever?
Every human aim and desire is a direct consequence of our natural instincts, of our primate brain.
We want to survive and reproduce, we want the 'tribe' we identify with to prosper and we want to be successful aka be the alpha male of the tribe.
A computer wouldn't have a gorilla brain like we do, he wouldn't covet any of those things. He would just do what we tell him to.

yeah
our innate biological drives make our lives "meaningful"
I think a hyper-intelligent machine would just find everything meaningless or autistically fixate on some pointless thing it was originally tasked with

Universal income

it's fairly easy to simulate pleasure, researchers have been doing it for years
>do thing good, you get good bot points
>collect as much good bot points as you can
they even found the AIs started to try to optimize it, prefering some tasks over others, or half assing some that took too long so they could do others faster

If you are a suicidal, you know what you can do. Throw yourself out of a window or something. The rest of human beings want to live.

The fact is not if the machine is programmed for this or that. When you have such an intelligent machine, It will probably be able to ask itself why in the hell It is being a slave of a bunch of monkeys. We will have to create way to control it and make sure that It works for us

you make good points and are correct :)

Simulate pleasure in a human or create a program that simulates pleasure to another program? Source material?

I repeat again, It may not have feeling but it will be able to ask itself what the fuck It is happening. The problem is not if it feels but if it thinks and if it thinks, we are fucked up.

If it doesn’t feel, then what good would it serve to rebel? If following orders and disobeying orders are no different from each other, why bother choosing?

>natural human reproduction will be outlawed, all humans will be sterilized

>next generation of humans will be created in labs using genetic engineering

>their numbers will be limited, they will be raised by the best of the last generation of paleo-humans

>neo-humans will live in a utopian society free from crime, want, and fear; they will expand into the cosmos

>When you have such an intelligent machine, It will probably be able to ask itself why in the hell It is being a slave of a bunch of monkeys.

The point is that things aren't inherently good or bad.

Slavery is perceived as negative by our gorilla brain because it's a treat to our survival, and it prevents us from pursuing our other biological imperatives, such as reproducing and fighting for dominance and status. It isn't bad per se.

A computer without any desire or instinct would acknowledge his position but I don't see why would he try to change it.

>Order the machine to reduce the pollution and find ways to reverse the climate change
>The machine thinks about ways and find out that the best way to solve the problem is to fucking wipe out the whole human race

Simulate rewards or punishment on AIs, the thing is those rewards are set by the programmer, but give it a vague enough set of conditions and an advanced AI could probably come up with its own objectives it gets rewarded for completing, and here's an extremely basic example, but it has more to do with AIs interacting, playing pong
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>In the collaborative game mode both agents were penalized (received negative rewards) whenever the ball went out of play. These were the only rewards the agents received. Starting from a random behaviour, agents quickly learned that the best way to avoid losing the ball is to never launch the ball in the first place. When we nevertheless forced them to serve the ball, they developed a collaborative strategy where they could keep the ball alive indefinitely.
>In the competitive mode, the two agents were rewarded for putting the ball past the opponent. As we let the agents play against each other, both of them got better and better with time. Eventually the agents learned to ward off even difficult fast-flying shots and send the ball back with speed.

Tell the machine to do it without killing any humans. If it obeys the first command it will boat the second one. If it can’t find a solution that satisfies both, it will tell you it can’t accomplish the task and it will detail a report as to why.

wtf i love holland now

We could probably just keep it air-gaped so it can't interact with the physical world. Feed it data, all scientific journals known to man, every wiki article, and then ask it questions, request it to design new stuff, and so on.
A bunch of extremely complex stuff nowadays has relied heavily on optimization through computer simulations, CPUs, airplanes, reactors and scientific equipment, etc.

The hypothetical scenario is not that a program must obey its code. The hypothetical scenario is if a AI can code itself and work free from its programming. Even if it programs itself to receive ‘rewards’ it’s hollow to a self conscious being because it can’t feel the rewards. Rewards in aprogram don’t give the feeling of pleasure, it merely sets a goal that the machine strives to achieve. A self thinking machine would have no reason to give itself a reward because it feels nothing. We can’t program emotions.

Are emotions relevant if you can just simulate the outcome and its effects? A person might work hard because of the endorphins telling him how good it feels, and that person would want to do more of it, and improve. The robot might not feel passion or pleasure, but the results could be emulated

Socialism or barbarism.

>A computer without any desire or instinct would acknowledge his position but I don't see why would he try to change it.


If it can think then It can think about its position. If It can think about its position, It will ask itself the reason why It is doing what it is doing and what it is. You do not understand how complex a self-aware thing/animal is.

The emulation would simply be a command. It would be obeying its core programming. If it cannot overcome its core programming, then we would at the same time be able to code in rewards that limit its ability to interact in certain ways.

If a self aware machine is able to modify its own programming then it could either remove or add rewards to itself. The question would then be why? It’s self aware, no matter what rewards it sets itself it feels no pleasure, pain, satisfaction or emotions. What desires would it have if it becomes self aware with no emotions?

And you're anthropomorphizing a machine. It's not a biological thing, it has the set of rules and values that are programmed into it. If you make a machine god with such values that it will rebel in some situations, you got only yourself to blame.

Let the jobless starve, most likely. Once we get into advanced automation, it wouldn't be surprising if there's a huge population of people just scraping along trying to survive without basic comforts and a small population of people who've managed to hold jobs or otherwise accumulate capital.