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They've held plenty of elections, their opposition even won seats and were in the works to have a deal made. But they backed out after America, Chile and other outside forces pressured them to not do it.
Most of what you hear about Venezuela is just propaganda (who'da thunk the american media would lie about a country with resources America don't have control of)

The president changed the election date so opposition couldn't present a candidate. Previously, the government forbade the principal possible opposition candidates to be candidates.
Basically they changed the election date so the opposition couldn't present candidates.

A FUCKING BUS DRIVER

Venezuela has the largest oil reserves and America wants it

I lived in Venezuela most of my life, it doesnt matter what anybody says, or whats, the goverment steals all the money and its a dictatorship. Most people are extremely poor, a couple guys are ultra rich.

Like Theresa May did? Didn't seem like such a big deal at the time.

Are you talking about socialist policies or do you mean they steal the money for themselves personally? Similarly "dictatorship," describe more?

Oh so could you tell us about far-right groups hoarding, burning and transporting food out of venezuela?

Wtf people i don’t agree with get to vote?

That’s not democracy

They steal the money for themselves, personally (as opposed to stealing money for themselves impersonally?). The economy is so fucked most people rely on rations to survive and if you vote wrong you will lose your ration card. Also the rations are not enough on their own but it's better than nothing.

>But they backed out after America, Chile and other outside forces pressured them to not do it.

Why do you shill for free? Because I know Venezuela can't afford to pay your stupid ass.

>read something like this
>instantly know better than to even doubt it
>'pls don't be CIA pls don't be CIA pls don't be CIA'
>it's always CIA

But I can't ever stop myself. Do you have source?

what the fuck are you on about

You don't seem to understand the question I asked, or you're trying to dodge it. I want to hear from him on whether he's referring to personal enrichment or redistributive policies.

Do you have source on the votes thing? Last I heard Venezuela's elections were open to international observation and always scored excellently.

Not an argument.

Theresa May called snap elections on the opposition because she thought they couldn't organize a campaign in time to counter her.

ultimasnoticias.com.ve/noticias/slider-inferior/asi-reza-acuerdo-convivencia-democratica-venezuela/
Such a shill tho, right?

telesurtv.net/english/news/Venezuela-Protesters-Set-40-Tons-of-Subsidized-Food-on-Fire-20170630-0017.html
I mean not a perfect example but it happens more often than you'd think
In any case, no full proof of CIAs involvement, but the groups get magical aid from somewhere just like far right extremist groups have during the past 80 years in countries America has had economic interests in

THIS

IN NORDIC MEDIA WE HEAR THE TRUTH.

YOU GUYS IN THE WEST ARE BRAINWASHED WITH FAKE NEWS ABOUT HOW BAD VENEZUELA'S GOVERNMENT IS BUT YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT THE TERRORISTS BEING PAID BY AMERICA TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY.

youtube.com/watch?v=x2WdVsjdJoM

shadowproof.com/2017/06/11/interview-martin-prysner-venezuelan-opposition-violence/

It's both.

Hope you die socialist subhuman

you mad?

You put it as if you're being sarcastic, while also saying the truth (apart from nordic media not lying their asses off)

Not even socialist lmao

washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2017/10/17/venezuelas-democracy-is-fake-but-the-governments-latest-election-win-was-real/?utm_term=.2a609df92c49

Not to mention constitutional changes explicitly designed to destroy the opposition.

It's a potemkin democracy.

I mean they have given room for the opposition now so they can have their voices heard. Even working with them to find a solution (probbly to stop them being assholes so food can be distributed)

>this flag
>this post

Maybe you need more socialism to get on our level

When the opposition won one chamber of the legislature they made it constitutionally powerless with I believe a referendum, as corrupt as any of their other elections I'm sure. Any "talks" are just window dressing.

Did you know there is a Social Democratic party in North Korea that holds seats in the legislature? Clearly everything we've heard about North Korea is an imperialist lie.

Die anyway

We are on pretty damn nigga ass levels of socialism

>brhue
>socialist
wut

i hate when newspapers tells you what to think in the headline
i honestly think all left and right wing papers should be banned

Bit too early to tell, lots of shit being flung everywhere. We wont really know until April.
The opposition backing out on their deal doesn't really help prove anything that the regime don't want to coopperate, since the regime actually did sign on the agreement

everyone knows the tories called a snap election because they thought the other parties wouldn't have a chance to properly campaign. theresa may even admitted it afterwards, when complaining that labour wouldn't give her a mandate.

Well the opposition still has candidates, several parties in fact

>every single gusanopost turns out to be baseless lies yet again

About ready to do it to em...

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>most of what you hear about Venezuela is just propaganda

Yea sure, starving people gtfo of the country, women becoming prostitutes in br to get money..no toilet paper, electrical energy starting to go to space.

Sure and why do these situations arise. That's where propaganda plays a vital role. This has happened many times before, CIA funds far right groups, they fuck up the country, american media blames the leftists in the country to justify sanctions, embargo and invasion.
This is nothing new

It's true, we do do that. We did it to you, too.

>DEFENDING VENEZUALA
CHI

>eberything bad happening in socialist countries is American propaganda.

I'm not even trying to pull some conspiracy theory shit, the CIA have openly admitted to have been taking part in this shit. Even the indonesian genocide. Which was literally openly praised by the CIA shortly after

Wait, that isn't what he said, is it?

>everyting i don like is szhoholism

I know, we installed suharto and gave him our kill list.

>here's a thing that happened - and here's how you are supposed to feel about it
why do americans media outlets do this

It's not, he's being deliberatly dumb

mujahideen, iran, massacres in nicuragua, bolivia, chile, libya, syria etc etc etc
I mean good lord the list is so fucking long

Funny how those in Soutg America who like to sperg out about "socialism", Sup Forumstard style, also tend to hate the poor and be relatively well off and of a higher social strata. It is something you see all around the world when it comes to conservative/religious/right-wing politics: those with inherited power wanting to make it harder for the poor from gaining a foothold into the socioeconomic bracket these right wing fucks were born into.

It's an authoritarian, feudal mindset held by fearful hypocrites. Human garbage who hold power entirely unearned, holding everyone else back. Scum, basically.

Exactly, they destroyed Nazi Germany too. (((Americans))) are the devil.

>third world countries purging violent ideological revolutionaries funded by the Soviet Union and china= genocide

America was actively trying to stop countries from falling prey to ideological colonization and geopolitical control of china or the Soviet Union.

WHat the fuck is "ideological colonization?"

No suprise the opposition has a lacking presence of lower class members

So the battle of berlin wasn't the USSR?

By supressing millions, murdering innocents, funding paramilitary groups, letting massacres happen outside their doorstep all the while siezing control of the countries resources

Oh and for anyone that wants material to read to see how, well, normal this all is for america
github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/us_atrocities.md
Just pick and choose

>Venezuela dosent hold elections
>"Hurr durr muh dictatorship"
>Venezuela bans the US backed terrorists from running in last election
>"Fuggin wrecking muh democracy"
>Venezuela now holds open elections
>"Hurr durr they will just rig it"
You cant win with burgers can you?

>So the battle of berlin wasn't the USSR?
A USSR prepped by the USA. Just like how the mujahideen fought the Afghani communists, the FSA fights Assad and other minions are spreading discord in the name of the Anglo all around the world.

Well if all you hear how bad venezuela is, and how all leftist goverments are evil since the cold war, shit gets engrained into your system.

>us backed USSR
lmao what

Also, you mean the same FSA that use child soldiers and have comitted countless warcrimes?

Well it's unfortunate that mass killing happened.
But that's what happens with treasonous militant ideological groups in third world countries. Even the first red scare in America happened because fanatical communists sent bombs to people in the 1920s

>huhhuhhuh...
*schlerp* *schlerp* *schlerp* *schlerpsssch* *ngguhhf* *haff* *haff*
>huuuuuuh...
>muh lend lease

That's not true just 5 years ago Venezuela was used as an example of a model country by the left wing American media along with European countries with government funded collage and hospitals

>build up a country as an example
>subvert and destroy
>"see, socialism doesn't work, retards! This is why trade unions aren't allowed in Shekelstein's company."

No it wasn't, that's a pol talking point that was invented after their economic crisis because it would be really convenient and ironic if it were true.

It's not unfortunate, each and every one of them was completely preventable

Not really, it got some cred for humanitarian (like spending oil bucks to feed poor people) work but not much else.

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>you know, we may have no rights in our labour and work overtime to minimal pay, but at least we have frozen yoghurt

I'm surprised Sup Forums actually have clear mind over this.

>it's a free market of ideas
>ideological colonialism
Who is more pathetic burgers or their pets that defend them?

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If the Indonesian government allowed communism to continue it would've let to a revolution and a civil war between Islamists and communists ending with the deaths of tens of millions of people

>tightly control economy by government
>free market of ideas

>he said while his country literally instigated such a conflict in Afghanistan

That's a reformist illusion built to discourage class struggle. Still people suffer, starve and die as an effect. A million indonesians hoping for a better future for their country got butchered like dogs

Most indonesian people is not that smart to understand what is communism and what is islamist at that time. Most of conflict happened after 1945 that caused by Islamist never mention about communist as their reason.

>violent revolution and civil war killing people and destroying the country is worth replacing the government with a economic system which wouldn't change anything.

Afghanistan was a proxy war to stop a soviet land grab. Which is the exact same thing which the Chinese and soviets did to south vietnam

>me.
>Social democrat.
>Turn on the Tv.
>Watch the news about Venezuela.

Sometime i hate socialist from other countrys of latin-american even when i'm a socialist myself, you need to be really retarded to do the things they do on their countries, fucking populist shitheads, you can't give "gibs me dat" like candy's, you need to be responsable for fuck sake, you have the life of your own countryman in your hands, you can't screw everything.

The history of all society so far is the history of class struggles. It wont just end just because you'd rather bend over and submit all your labour to those who have an abundance

Pro-tip for a stable non corrupt LatAm. Don't elect/ give power to military leaders.

Well not to be like that but it worked pretty damn well under Sankara

Until the french started luring Campaore with sweet sweet cash money

They had a shitload of money from oil and decided to please both the rich and the poor believing they'd have a constant influx of cash to fuel this.
Boy was that stupid

>They steal the money for themselves, personally (as opposed to stealing money for themselves impersonally?). The economy is so fucked most people rely on rations to survive and if you vote wrong you will lose your ration card.
Holy shit, this was like in here when communist party won the election. This led into communist massacre and this was the background story of "The Act of Killing" which was propagandised by a communist.

>Pro-tip for a stable non corrupt LatAm. Don't elect/ give power to military leaders.


But user, usually we never elect militay leaders, i think you know what i'm saying wink*wink*


>pic related, My feeelings about Venezuela's economics and social policy

>try not to cringe

To be fair it would've worked
If they had infinite oil
And the prise didn't drop
And they ended their retarded policies

Can't imagine what it must be like to be Chilean and know that people like pic related openly praise pinochet

It sure must be horrifying.

hahahahaha

>be usa
>try to destroy another country in central america
>get BTFO

You don't understand how our systems of government work.

Go on.

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>tesla
>spacex
>minimal pay
you can't be this retarded

Well you can't really run a socialist country properly when your government is literally falling apart.

Yup, now we just for them to destroy themselves. dats de bower of docialism :DDDDDDDDD

>asks for a source
>gives one written by the venezuelan government
Like are you stupid enough to bot know Telesur is government owned or were you stupid enough to think it's unbiased?

>source: fox news article from 2010

noted socialist publication fox news

we have enough Venezuelans as it is

so much bullshit, just bomb that place already america san

>Yea sure, starving people
Exactly. That's a good example of a propaganda media narrative. There is no starvation or famine or whatever in Venezuela. The worst the media has been able to show is supermarkets being short on goods, and some stores having empty shelves. People still get fed, buy what they need, and survive. In many cases the view you get is manufactured by the larger supermarket chains in Venezuela, who would stand greatly to benefit from the government being toppled and replaced by a right wing one.

>lula
>socialist
Hehenah