Calls the skwad to rescue her

>calls the skwad to rescue her
>was obviously going to leave them to die

and then?
what about Enchantress and her "building a machine" plot to rule or destroy the world? her plan makes no sense.

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>>was obviously going to leave them to die
not so much leave them to die as not do that much to help her
>and then?
get enchantress under control, ideally, she was the linchpin behind the whole thing, harley didn't teleport into the enemy's vaults and steal their secrets

the problem was once they captured waller they were able to read her mind and see the planned tactical responses to things like "enchantress is taking over a city" and counteract them

they cut out swaths of scenes that would have the movie make more sense, like in bvs, but just like in bvs, if you're not a fucking idiot you can just watch the movie and figure it out

>and then?

Fuck me if I know. Drop a nuke on Midway or something. Ayer clearly didn't think the plot through fully in the first place.

If she sends them on missions where they could die why do they care if she put a bomb in their necks?

because if they do the mission well and survive they get years knocked off their prison sentences and don't die

It's not about "figuring it out" it's about wondering the original motivations behind the actions in the first place. Just because they happen in the movie, doesn't mean they're situational logical or character accurate, it can mean that the screenwriter wrote themselves into a hole, and used coincidence and other awful writer excuses to get out of said hole, because they know there's an audience out there that will pay for and happily eat shit because the name of a certain clown is in the movie, so it doesn't really matter.

Forcing someone to do something deadly with the threat of you killing them if they don't isn't really that much of a motivator.

>jump off this building or i'll shoot you, but if you survive i'll take you out for pizza.

>it's about wondering the original motivations behind the actions in the first place.
half of these answers were stated verbally as motivations in the movie
the writers put them down in a script the actors read and anyone who watched the movie heard them say

but for some reason a large portion of the audience comes back home and spews out ignorant shit like OP's post because they, what, weren't paying attention? what is THEIR motivation? why are they paying money to see a film, not watching it enough to know what happened, and then using the internet to whine about it?

>>was obviously going to leave them to die

she was intending to bring them with her. That's why there was a huge troop transport that the joker stole. Otherwise, why not just blow their heads off? all it takes is a press of a button and it doesn't leave room for them to get away and cause trouble for her in the future.

difference is you will not survive jumping off a building
you are likely to survive going into a warzone (people do it all the time)
in addition they are not regular people
they're people who do things, proactive things, it's why they're picked in the first place

>half of these answers were stated verbally as motivations in the movie
>the writers put them down in a script the actors read and anyone who watched the movie heard them say

That's true, but that doesn't make them internally logical. It's not about not understanding the shit the screenwriters are spewing, it's about not understanding why the fuck the screenwriters would spew that shit in the first place beyond meeting corporately defined benchmarks.

You can enjoy SS if you want to user, no one's stopping you. However, there is no reason to defend WB taking DC properties and fucking them up through shoddy concepts and execution. Quality has nothing to do with what makes a work enjoyable to you, due to the purely subjective nature of the latter.

SS doesn't deserve anyone's artistic praise on any imaginable level. It's very clear the puppeteers weren't looking for critical acclaim, just record box office. They succeeded at what they wanted truly to achieve.

but then why would she kill them all if she went through the trouble of getting the skwad together and getting the ok to form it in the first place?

she was never going to leave them alone after their first mission, why would she? taking years off their sentence was nothing but a lie to get them to agreed and the plot needed them to ignore that she was lying.

>I have only read the wikipedia summary of Ostrander's Suicide Squad, but trust me, I know what I'm talking about in regards to the intention and concept of the work

...that's exactly what I was saying.

It wasn't a Lie you idiot, she very much did take years off their sentences and even listen to their demands like visitation rights and An espresso machine.

>That's true, but that doesn't make them internally logical.
Except it is?

You're the one instead pointing instead and insisting it doesn't make sense.

>However, there is no reason to defend WB taking DC properties
There's no need to defend the movie. It makes sense, it follows the characters in the comics just as much as any comic book movie does. The only letdown was executive meddling during post-production.

>SS doesn't deserve anyone's artistic praise on any imaginable level
Sure it does, it's a good movie and story whose only flaw is in some editing.

you: look at that man, eating a banana!
me: yeah, so? he's eating a banana, they're food, we eat food to survive
you: but he's eating them for some different reason! lol what a jackass

When its all said and done the mission was too high scale and dumb to begin with

>was obviously going to leave them to die
But that's wrong? Like there were two helicopters for extraction and she even said she's gonna send a helo to pick them up when the Joker took theirs.

she only plans to kill them if they go awol
if they do not follow the rules, and instead try to go out and be villains, they die
it's why prison guards watching the walls have guns
>taking years off their sentence was nothing but a lie to get them to agreed and the plot needed them to ignore that she was lying.
there's nothing to suggest that
she even gets them better treatment in prison (or at least whatever they wished for while she was under pressure)
in the comics, amanda waller has stood by her word
there's nothing to suggest she was lying in the movie

>an escort machine
>too high scale

>food analogy

>her plan makes no sense
How doesn't it make sense?

we have to work with the basics when talking to the ignorant
if a person can sit in a movie theater, watch a movie, and not understand it, they have to be spoken down to like a child

>Save the world from a ancient witch
>Saving Wallers dumb ass because that really needed plausible deniability

Their mission wasn't to stop enchantress.

obviously they think it would have made more sense if amanda waller said "forget about me, just shoot the bad guys you superheroes" then one of them danced to distract enchantress while they used the power of friendship to destroy her machine

>was obviously going to leave them to die
I don't think she would have left Flag there to die would she?

>filename
At least try to make your shilling subtle, Disneydrone.

Actually yeah you're right, that wasnt the original mission. Still its a poor choice for a Suicide Squad narrative to put them in this scenario to begin with.

He's an expendable soldier.

>suicide squad being ordered to rescue amanda waller? crazy

hi

>it's a good movie

>logically inconsistent plot
>rushed narrative
>hamfisted dialogue
>abysmal performances
>one note characters
>generic cinematography
>literally trailer editing
>corporate meddling at all levels

Goddamn, that's honestly just first viewing impressions. Repeated viewings would only allow a person to dig deeper and truly pick apart the bloated corpse of this movie.

WB and Ayer and everyone else involved doesn't care about these characters or their comics outside of a paycheck. They've made such motivations clear through marketing, and later through the movie itself.

If I were to defend a work, be it movie or comic or anything else, it would be because I personally believe the work contributes something worthwhile to the cultural narrative.

What does SS have to offer?

I meant the Enchantress shit you trolling fuck

>>logically inconsistent plot
what's not consistent?
>>rushed narrative
not really? I mean, it goes with the flow
>>hamfisted dialogue
its a comic book movie
>>abysmal performances
hardly
>>one note characters
it's clear the characters have depth to them
>>generic cinematography
if you try to do anything new people complain

>>literally trailer editing
>>corporate meddling at all levels
legit

>WB and Ayer and everyone else involved doesn't care about these characters or their comics outside of a paycheck.
WB, sure, but Ayer's as much a fan as anyone on Sup Forums
>If I were to defend a work, be it movie or comic or anything else, it would be because I personally believe the work contributes something worthwhile to the cultural narrative.
nah bruv, you're a shill, you only defend things if the majority does or you're being paid

>What does SS have to offer?
an action-packed, multifaceted comicbook story respectfully brought to the screen with some editing flaws

>it goes with the flow
>its a comic book movie
>if you try to do anything new people complain
>you're a shill
>respectfully

>logically inconsistent plot
Bullshit
>ham-fisted dialogue
Also bullshit
>abysmal performance
Biggest load of bullshit
>one note characters
Objectively bullshit

To be fair she probably just assumed they'd all be dumb enough to be happy with their measly reductions which would mean nothing in light of things. A 10 year means nothing when they're serving multiple life sentences. Boomer probably had the lightest sentence and he had atleast 240 years before he could even be eligible for parole. And that Parole hearing probably goes
>Boomer yells at boardees about his work with SKWAD and namedrops Waller
>Waller says she's never met him before
>He goes back in the hole to wait for the next mission.

>a team of ragtags anti-hero misfits are set to destroy a dark magician who have taken over a building, creating a big column of light
Is it Ghostbusters or Suicide Squad?

They're not anti-heroes tho.

I'm no idiot when it comes to movies, I don't need long exposition and things blatantly pointed out so I can get what's going on but I swear to God, I might as well have been stoned when I saw this movie.
Plot points going nowhere, characters doing shit that doesn't make a fucking lick of sense, inconsistencies all over the place, it was just fucking baffling.

Would a second viewing help or are the writers just that shit at their jobs?

It was the second Enchantress betrayal flashback wasnt it?

I'm not big on how Waller was pretty much the cause of shit going overboard and they didn't seem to have a plan for actually stopping enchantress. Also her scene describing Harley was dumb. How can anyone be more crazy than joker? Never explained where she learned any of her skills and then she says Harley's fearless and in the same scene we have her scared that she can't swim when joker crashes the car. There's obviously much more wrong with the movie but that scene made me laugh first time I saw it.

>I'm no idiot
Are you sure about that?

I saw it twice (work in a theater and saw it for nothing) and if you go in as someone who never cared about comics it seems better but obvious problems are still there like enchantress cg being awful.

>Waller pulls Kickin' Wing away from his successful fireworks/veterinarian pursuits and then blows his head off
Truly the villain of the film

>how can amyone be more crazy than the Joker?
Because there's method to his madness while Harley is just Mad about the joker.

why do people have so goddamn many carmen sandiego threads lately? is da chief your waifu or something?

I think Venkman falls into the definition of Anti-Hero
Skwad are sort of forced to be Anti-Heroes
IT was a sales pitch not the truth?
Also there was no plan to stop Enchantress. The plan was to collect Waller, go home.
Also I just realized that they just dropped an armed demo charge in the sewers for no reason.

... I can't even remember what you're talking about.

Well I'm not blindly defending a God awful movie just because I recognize the characters in it, so I'd have to say yea I'm sure.

>Plot point going nowhere
Name one
>characters doing that doesn't make a fucking lick of sense
Like what?
>inconsistencies all over the place
Where?

>I can't even remember what you're talking about
Probably because you're a fucking idiot.

>I'm sure
I'm not, I mean you can't even follow a sinple plot.

I guess so but the way I heard that line made me think why would you even want that and then look what happened, she had joker break her free and almost get away.

Also, what happened to the guard in the beginning. He gives Harley the phone in the least inconspicuous way possible and is never seen again. Surprised we never saw what happened with him.

Suicide squad isn't even a bad movie m8.

I get that (the sales pitch) it just came off as silly/dumb when watching.

Yes the idea of leaving an armed bomb (with 1 second left on the timer) behind was pretty weird. You'd think he'd take it with him.

Alright, here's a few, and this is me asking out of curiosity.
Why did Waller NEED to inflict that love interest between Flagg and the architect woman? Isn't the fact it's his fucking job incentive enough?
Why was she so sure they were going to fall in love? What sense does it make that two people will just fall in love because they're in the same room?
Why did Captain Boomerang up and leave after Flagg destroyed his device only to appear in the next scene?
Why did Slipknot have to die just to prove there was a chip in their necks? If Boomerang simply accepted that you could've skipped all of that shit. The audience knows they're chipped, why pound it in?
Why was Flagg so fucking positive the only way to deal with the Brother was to unleash the enchantress when it backfired immediately?
Why did Harley act like she died when Deadshot shot her (Honestly this might be my bad because he said something right after shooting her that I didn't hear)
Why did Croc, Deadshot, and Harley get their things (Flatscreen and cable, visitation, Espresso maker, respectively) but Boomerang got shit. They all received their shortened sentences and a gift but he didn't get a damn thing. Bohemian Rhapsody was playing just as loud as his dialogue while he was in the cell so I have no fucking clue what he was yelling into the camera.
Why did Waller's helicopter go straight fucking through the part of the city an ancient creature was attacking when she could've just flown up and away from it in the first place?
Why was Katana there, like at all? Her entire point was to defend Flagg, but she A.) Never defended him where a guy with a fucking gun couldn't and B.) She was rendered useless when Smith realized if Flagg died everyone dies.
Why did Waller shoot those 3 people with her? She said "They know too much." so why not bring someone who's job it is to know too much?

This is all I can think of at the moment, Idunno.

All they have is her word that she'll knock time off. They're fucking blackbagged terrorists in a shadowsite superjail. They don't even fucking HAVE sentences. Does Croc look like he sat through a trial? Would anyone even believe any number of good behavior jobs would result in him walking free?

And why the fuck didn't they kill Waller at the end? Not the obvious "Because she's Waller" reason, I mean why in the world of that movie, didn't they plug her fucking skull? Nobody even fucking implied she had a deadman switch for the neck bombs, and hers was not only the last iDetonator left, but we've seen that smashing one of those devices ALSO doesn't result in a failsafe auto-detonate. Fuck, if Willshot was feeling antihero generous, he could have shot the fucking device off her arm and given some dumb speech about not playing skip-rope with her intestines, and wandered off into the sunset. Also, Harley didn't even have an active bomb any more. Did she forget?

Christ a good majority of these complaint are just you being an idiot.

>You can just watch the movie and figure it out
Uh no actually you can't, there is no cohesive explanation for a lot of things in BvS, theatrical or extended.

>Katana's sword traps the souls of anyone it kills

oooh, I see where this is going

>Did I mention Katana's sword? Yeah, that one right there. Captures souls. Like bam, soul, captured. Are you taking notes?

I get it. This is important

>Katana does fucking nothing. At best her sword USED BY HARLEY serves the purpose of a letter opener. Nothing about the sword being a soul reaver came into play

What a twist! Got to hand it to them, didn't see the old "set up character and plot device, then go out for smokes and never come home" strategy.

Ayer please, you made a shitty movie stop defending it.

>Harley didn't have an active bomb
Her excuse was "I have nothing better to do." which is fair, but that doesn't explain why she didn't just fucking bolt instead of going back to jail.

>Simple plot
More like lack thereof

Avoid the questions, dude, I don't care.
It's your movie universe going to shit because fuckwits like you are willing to deal with plots riddled with inconsistencies.

>why did Waller need to inflict a love interest between flagg and Moon
For leverage.
>how did she know he fall on love with her
Because she knows how Flagg thinks, he's a all american hero so of course he fall in love with damsel in distress.
>why did captain boomerang come back
Because Boomerangs come back, also they're his ride.
>why did Slipknot have to die
Because it's the suicide squad,somebody has to die.
>why did Harley pretend she died
Because she's theatrical clown.
>why did boomerang get shit
Because he talked back
>why did waller shoot those people
They weren't cleared for clearance.

>SIX

>WEEKS

These aren't inconsistencies, these are nitpicky bullshit that just highlights how much of an idiot you are.

Do you think she calls batman "Gumshoe"?

>why was Flagg positive that a powerful magical user would defeat a metahuman threat?
Jesus christ son don't blame the movie for you being a retard

My god you're an idiot but I'll take your bait.

>Why did Waller NEED to inflict that love interest between Flagg and the architect woman?
Because it works.

>Isn't the fact it's his fucking job incentive enough?
No. The existence of Task force X is questionable enough. If you're going to guarantee loyalty, then creating loyalty out of love is an effective means to do so.

>Why was she so sure they were going to fall in love
She wasn't. At what point did she imply that she was sure?

Why did Captain Boomerang up and leave after Flagg destroyed his device only to appear in the next scene?
He left and returned as a gag. Boomerang and all that. But really, where was he to go in all that chaos? Could he have survived better on his own? Who's to say? He probably saw safety in numbers.

>Why did Slipknot have to die just to prove there was a chip in their necks?
Because when you are a team of expendable bad guys, the narrative needs to establish how expendable they are. Visually. Not just with words. Show, don't tell.

>Why was Flagg so fucking positive the only way to deal with the Brother was to unleash the enchantress when it backfired immediately?
I don't understand this question.

>Why did Harley act like she died when Deadshot shot her
As a fake out. A joke of sorts. As Harley is known to do. It was meant to fool the audience.
>(Honestly this might be my bad because he said something right after shooting her that I didn't hear)
Deadshot said "I missed". Obviously he missed on purpose.

More in next post.

>For leverage.
His job is to die for her, she had all the leverage she could ever need.
>Because she knows how Flagg thinks, he's a all american hero so of course he fall in love with damsel in distress.
It's still a fucking long shot that he'll just love this random woman.
>Because Boomerangs come back, also they're his ride.
Clever, I'll give you this one. The correct answer is "The movie needed him to come back because movie"
>Because it's the suicide squad,somebody has to die.
... Ok?
>Because she's theatrical clown.
So, did Deadshot miss on purpose, did he actually hit her, this doesn't answer much.
>Because he talked back
Bull shit.
>They weren't cleared for clearance.
Then why the fuck did she have them with her?

>Why did Croc, Deadshot, and Harley get their things but Boomerang got shit.
Because Boomer demanded to be set free as if it was owed to him. The others accepted that they were still in custody.

>Why did Waller's helicopter go straight fucking through the part of the city an ancient creature was attacking when she could've just flown up and away from it in the first place?
Plot convenience. Happens in all movies.

>Why was Katana there, like at all?
Her sword is supernatural. It proved to be the only weapon that hurt Enchantress at the climax of the movie.

>Why did Waller shoot those 3 people with her? She said "They know too much." so why not bring someone who's job it is to know too much?
Because Waller did not bring those employees into a battle zone. The battle zone was put onto them. If things went according to plan, Enchantress would have never betrayed the team, and those employees would have just gone about their normal business without knowing too much. Task force X is only known to a few people. They can't just read more people into confidentiality like it was a Costco club.

He obviously missed her on purpose and she's just playacting being dead because she's Harley.

actually if you did not catch on that deadshot missed on purpose as an act of rebellion, your not as smart as you think. and deaf as deadshot actually said he missed.

He missed/disobeyed. If you disobey you die. So why didn't waller pop his cap right after he gave her the gun or better yet, why not have Flagg shoot her? Also why wouldn't dead shot take that deal considering it's everything he wanted and he's only known her for 3 hours and it's pretty likely joker didn't give a shit if he hit any of the squad.

Don't try to logic your way out. DCfags will always find a way to defend their shitty movieverse. Eventually they'll just resort to "Well it's not supposed to be good, it's supposed to be fun."

>Then why the fuck did she have them with her?
Because she needed the help. This isn't rocket science.

People have been saying ever since this movie came out "Why isn't the Justice League handling the Enchantress?"

Maybe Waller expected them to, and THAT'S why she didn't bother trying to stop her.

The one other scene that had me confused was after they extract waller. Her and Flagg walk past the squad. Why didn't they just shoot them right there? Obviously that's nit picky but it seems stupid to be the two people with the killer app and have your back turned to the guys you're threatening. Instead we get crocs quip.

Does the Justice League even exist yet?
Though real question, where the fuck was Flash? It had to be a whole day, did they really get the news to buy that the giant glowing mushroom cloud spewing lightning was just a bunch of Mudslimes?

Yup:

youtube.com/watch?v=PMNFaAUs2mo

Please stop linking this garbage.

>it's why prison guards watching the walls have guns

Ok. If these guards are so badass that they can kill an Aztec fire god gangster, why not just send these guards? Why do you need a boomerang guy?

Slipknot should have died later in the film, to take some time to actually fucking develop him, i mean he just appeared there with no setup, then died minutes later. He was barely a character.

They should have had her say something like "They now worship machines, so I will make a spell to shatter their false gods and make them worship us again!" which would have made more sense because her spell targeted all the military's most valuable assets and machines first.

Also Waller was planning on taking them with her, the original helicopter was a troop transport, the second was a 4 seater with 3 troops already on it.

>Does the Justice League even exist yet?
No, that's why Bruce made a deal with Waller for the metahuman files in the stinger.

she literally said that almost word for word

Well it's not like killing them will disarm the bombs.

A big selling point of the squad is that they are intended to be expendable.

Anyway I suppose Waller was going to try and get Enchantress under control somehow, because she wanted her ability to turn people into those monsters for some kind of super army.

Although I have no clue how she would control Enchantress and frankly I think it was dumb of her to even try in the first place.

Where are you getting the idea she wanted to capture Enchantress to make a super army?

She literally said it.

What the hell was a rope guy supposed to do against Ogre from Tekken and the Whoreceress?

So why does she shoot her own staff?

They didn't have the security clearance.

For what? Knowing that she was using villains or that a witch was wrecking a city? Both which seems to be her fault.

But you can just easily take the remotes and disarm them.

Why did Croc kill the Seals swimming with him, but then that was never mentioned again?

Not before you got your head explode.

All the more reasons to kill them.