You really can't make this shit up. Why does Warner Bros. refuse to learn from their mistakes?
Atleast with Sony they decided to partner with Marvel in order to fix the Spider-Man franchise; they acknowledged their wrongs and then made things right.
With WB/DC they just keep shoving shit down your face. You also get the sense that they actually don't think they're making garbage. Or maybe they don't think it matters because they know the DC fans will still defend the garbage they release anyway out of a sense of misguided loyalty.
Warner Bros. never knew the core ingredients to the winning recipe for making decent comic book films: which actors to hire, which type of director to hire, cinematographer, editor, screenwriter, all that shit. They just got lucky when Christopher Nolan got bored one morning and decided to challenge himself by seeing if he could elevate the comic book genre into high art.
Gavin Mitchell
They make money. Not as much as they'd like, but they turn a sizable profit.
So the films are doing their job.
If a good movie and a bad movie make the same amount of money, then what's quality worth, honestly?
Jose Torres
I honestly wouldn't say that MCU movies are all that much better in terms of writing than the DCEU, but they did do one very important thing. The early MCU emphasized the characters first and foremost. The first Iron Man, Captain America and Thor movies are very much vehicles to showcase the personalities of the protagonists, rather than worrying about telling a big story a posing a huge threat. By the time the first Avengers rolled around, the fans knew who everyone was and had a reason to root for them. Hell, Coulson's death wouldn't have meant anything if he hadn't been a bit player in every MCU movie up to that point.
Literally all they have to do is give the audience a reason to give a shit. People aren't going to root for Superman if he spends all his time being a mopey bitch.
Adam Flores
>Atleast with Sony they decided to partner with Marvel in order to fix the Spider-Man franchise; they acknowledged their wrongs and then made things right.
They only did it because the email hack scandal showed everyone how retarded Sony America is forcing Sony Japan to pressure them into making the deal with Marvel
Sony America thought it had leverage over marvel even before the hack lol
Liam Hill
Fuck that. You can make good films and still be profitable. Sooner or later the audience will stop seeing your shit if the quality isn't up to par, and then all your left with are the plebs in China.
Alexander Campbell
>People aren't going to root for Superman if he spends all his time being a mopey bitch.
How is MoS 2 or even JL going to bounce back from that without it feeling forced/artificial? Clark's been a sullen cunt for two straight movies.
Carson Cooper
>If a good movie and a bad movie make the same amount of money, then what's quality worth, honestly?
This is really where we're at with blockbusters. Movie studios aren't terribly motivated to up their standards when all you have to do is put Batman on the box and it makes the better part of a billion dollars. If the moviegoing audience with eat the slop no matter how putrid it is, what precisely is the motivation to do it better the next time?
Juan Reed
>then all your left with are the plebs in China.
Not unless your movie has skeletons in it. Like with what happened with Suicide Squad.
Jeremiah Baker
>If a good movie and a bad movie make the same amount of money, then what's quality worth, honestly?
That statement makes me feel sad inside.
Carter Wood
>So the films are doing their job. No, they fucking aren't. Movies are invested in to make multiple times their budget back.
A movie featuring BATMAN, SUPERMAN and WONDER WOMAN for the FIRST TIME EVER should have easily cleared a billion plus.
Not only that, Snyder has poisoned the brand so badly that legitimate publications like Variety have actually written articles on how insane it is that there actually is this notion that there's a conspiracy against DC and how fans want to shut down RT despite the fact that WB literally owns it.
Are you seriously telling me webm related is supposed to carry a franchise when she can't even pull off one line? That's doing your job when you're okaying a guaranteed disaster and have to constantly do preemptive damage control by increasingly promoting Geoff Johns despite the fact that he has next to no real producing experience?
Aaron Thompson
This post sums up my feelings pretty well
WB as a whole is a joke. I mean look at fucking Pan. And after that flopped, they still hired the screenwriter for Wonder Woman.
Kayden Harris
This.
Grayson Davis
Wait, what? Are you sure?
Owen Scott
This is kinda why Marvel slowing their roll and slowing building up their cinematic universe worked in the first place, for multiple reasons. They were able to establish and flesh out their characters first, making team-ups all the more meaningful and giving them more impact.
DC throwing everything and the kitchen sink just doesn't work. Look at all the forced exposition in the beginning of SS. The movie took so damn long to let everyone know who everyone was. It all felt so rushed and it wasn't paced right. And that's a similar criticism people had with BvS. It's probably going to be a criticism people will have with JL as well.
People here are contrarian as fuck, but Marvel Studios' method of building up their cinematic universe worked for a fucking reason.
Luke Reyes
>Atleast with Sony they decided to partner with Marvel in order to fix the Spider-Man franchise; they acknowledged their wrongs and then made things right.
You're saying this as if they did it because of some sort of altruism instead of poor box office returns
Jace Allen
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David Walker
>No, they fucking aren't. Movies are invested in to make multiple times their budget back.
This meme again. Take your phony math somewhere else, MCUck.
Michael Long
>you need 15 movies before making an ensemble movie
No.
Logan Bell
>Not only that, Snyder has poisoned the brand so badly that legitimate publications like Variety have actually written articles on how insane it is that there actually is this notion that there's a conspiracy against DC and how fans want to shut down RT despite the fact that WB literally owns it.
>TFW you realize Nolan was the one who started the grimdark realistic trend that has killed DC
Mason Jackson
>No. Fuck off with this argument.
A cinematic universe based on a shared superhero universe isn't going to be structured like any other. These are characters who go off on adventures on their own between the big team-ups. Marvel structuring it like a comic book universe absolutely made sense and is a major factor as to why it 'worked'.
All the major players should absolutely have their own movie before the big team up.
Lucas Taylor
You can do good group/team-up movies right away.
You didn't get individual films for the members of the 7 Samurai, Ocean's 11, Ghostbusters, and pic related, and they were still fine films.
It's just that DC/WB made a bunch of bad movies.
Elijah Bennett
>Mystery Men user, let's be real. I enjoyed the fuck out of that movie when it came out, but it's not really a good movie.
>You didn't get individual films for the members of the 7 Samurai, Ocean's 11, Ghostbusters, and pic related, and they were still fine films. I kinda agree but the big problem is none of those are quite the same as a superhero team. See, the thing about a superhero team is that each individual member of a superhero team stands on their own, even more so than any of the examples you posted.
See, superhero teams like the Justice League, they're all off having solo adventures in-between the big team-up stories. They have their own little stories that stand up on their own, so the big team-up stories are the big payoff in these cinematic universes after you see all the individual members in action. And let's be honest, in a cinematic universe, these big team-ups rely on plot and character developments seen in the solo movies.
You kinda need to build up a cinematic universe for the big team-up movies to work.
David Ross
Grimdark isn't the reason DC's movies are bad. Or at least, it isn't the only reason.
WW is a perfect storm of dog shit, I have no idea why people are being taken in by that trailer
>Gadot will never be able to act >most of the cast short of Robin Wright are mediocre actors anyway >story by Zack Snyder and Allen Heinberg who you might remember wrote the Post-Infinite Crisis Wonder Woman run aka dogshit >The writer of Pan has written the draft they started shooting with >this doesn't even matter because it's basically confirmed at this point that they were literally rewriting the script WHILE FILMING >they've literally said that the movie will have Diana as young and idealistic which internally makes no sense since they're also going with the dumbass move of making Diana 5000 fucking years old
There is no way in hell this movie will be good.
Jack Lewis
Yes, it's Nolan's fault that he was successful in making good movies and WB literally rushed MoS into production to avoid a lawsuit from Shuster's heirs and Snyder was the only person willing to go with the script they knew was shit.
Austin Sullivan
>>most of the cast short of Robin Wright are mediocre actors anyway Chris Pine is very good, but it's also kinda wasted casting, since he'd make for a great Hal Jordan.
Anyway, I hate to say it, but you're right.
And the worst part is, people are going to think WW sucks after this movie. Being a WW fag is suffering. I just want a good WW movie, dammit.
Mason Roberts
>that Flash
I can now understand why his enemies would hate him so and why one guy would devote all his time, energy, and super speed to ruining Barry's life on every single level.
Bentley Lewis
garbage, bvs characters had plenty of motives
Adrian Roberts
>See, superhero teams like the Justice League, they're all off having solo adventures in-between the big team-up stories. They have their own little stories that stand up on their own, so the big team-up stories are the big payoff in these cinematic universes after you see all the individual members in action. And let's be honest, in a cinematic universe, these big team-ups rely on plot and character developments seen in the solo movies.
What about the opening arc of the Justice League cartoon? John Stewart (who wasn't any of the previous DCAU Lanterns shown), Hawkgirl, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter all premiered and got together in that arc with little fuss.
Parker Jackson
>You didn't get individual films for the members of the 7 Samurai, Ocean's 11, Ghostbusters, and pic related
None of those characters even had enough material to make single movies about. Seems like a silly comparison to make.
Joseph Bailey
Luthor didn't. Hating Superman is not a motive. Superman didn't. He sleepwalked through the whole movie. Wonder Woman... was looking for a picture, I guess?
Dominic Cook
>None of those characters even had enough material to make single movies about. Same could be said for most Marvel characters.
Aiden Martin
Damn, this videos pretty good. If it wasn't for the AoU part which would just lead to more shitposting, I'd put this in all the BvS threads.
Jeremiah Allen
JL was also a syndicated cartoon, for god's sakes. And what may work for a syndicated cartoon may not necessarily work for a live-action movie.
Also frankly, JL got better as it went on anyway.
Carter Sanders
You're not wrong.
Characters are given multiple motivations and they're all paper thin.
Jace Williams
>Hating Superman is not a motive. It literally is. A grudge is the #1 motive for a crime next to money and sex.
>Superman didn't. He did. His motive was to stop Batman from brutalizing Gotham criminals. He did research as Clark to learn more about him.
>Wonder Woman... was looking for a picture, I guess? Wonder Woman was looking to keep her presence hidden from the world. Lex had her secret hidden away so she had to get it back.
Jacob Myers
What mistakes? That their movies are too kino for pleb critics to comprehend?
Oliver Martin
Daily reminder
Aaron Nguyen
>you can't root for someone who is a bit down, and is a bit sad
Yeah, no wonder why people kills themselves, poor Supes
Jonathan Baker
TV shows can do stuff like that. It's harder for movies to make that work, they have less time.
Austin Gray
>people keep pointing out the numerous flaws of the DCEU >they even post videos like this post that perfectly sum up issues too >snyderfags will never accept any of this and just resort to saying 2deep4u while never saying why it is or might post Sup Forums images that are supposed to be ironic lol
Andrew Watson
Secret Origins was a little more than an hour in length and it still got the job done.
