How do libertarians expect to drive around Libertopia when nobody would fix potholes and build roads...

How do libertarians expect to drive around Libertopia when nobody would fix potholes and build roads? No roads = no economy.

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just spraypaint dicks on them so that people will fix them

Companies will make roads for the best routes and them charge for ppl toll to ride that road.

If the road is too damaged, ppl will use alternative ones making the company that take care of that particular road loose money.

How do statists expect to Drive around their states when the government won't fix potholes despite us paying tax for them to do so.

I'm not even a liberatarian, but potholes are rife in governed states

There is only one shortest route between two points. The person who owns that route has a natural monopoly.

>hmm i own this 50-foot wide patch of land that stretches between two huge cities
>i have a pile of cash, i have a great credit score
>oh no it has a hole in it nobody wants to go over it anymore
>people would be paying me like $0.50 to travel the length of the whole thing if only i could do something about this uncomfortable bump
>gosh, i'm stuck
>wait i know what to do
>declare myself and my friends "the government" and kill or imprison everyone who says otherwise
>then finally it will be within my power to take things from people, force them to work to fix my property, then "pay" them with the things i took, haha, then tax them to take some of it back

statists actually believe in this, even funnier, despite all evidence to the contrary they believe
>money comes from government
>credit exists because of government
>cars exist because of government
>asphalt exists because of government
>right-of-ways exist because of government
>ownership itself exists because of government

>Big company buys all roads of a small city.
>lets the roads get damaged bcos people have no alternative

So basically companies will have monopoly over the roads? Gee I can't wait to pay 50$ to have the privilege of using private roads to go to work.

only in 3 dimensions

the free market will fix it

Jetpacks and hovercars

Mate, only in England.

Go driving in Scotland, you won't find many potholes.

Potholes are a choice made by local Government in response to cuts from central government. You can thank the Tories, personally.

Clearly the solution is more laws and higher taxes

>Argues against Libertarianism
>post a picture from a country with government

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Such is life in ancap utopia

people will build their own roads, this is already happening in some rural parts of my failed country

state-built roads are pure theft, 1 km of road costs few million euros

True. But them the ones getting the secondary routes will have to invest in scenic views or the ones that doesnt attract tuorism but is used for cargo transport.

If you where to cut dont costs to a minimum, you would not even use roads. You would go by train from point A to B.

The road that they build willingly, and you want to willingly use it, yes.

But if you preffer to use one with potholes, you are free to choose.

no they don't, they have the product with the best rate per mile.

as soon as they have more customers than their "natural" straight line can accomodate, they have what's called "traffic" which people will happily pay a premium to avoid. gb2biz101

the free market would create something better then roads

The thousand of years street monopoly of the state has brought innovation to a hold

The free market something something everybody has jetpacks?

>people don't pay to use what doesn't serve them
ever walk out of a restaurant after trying the meal that was brought to you and not liking it?

flying private jets on any substance I want

>Thinks libertarians and ancaps are the same

Libertarians would say either go with toll roads, which do work, or, *ghasp* use a fuel tax that is earmarked for road infrastructure. The problem with most fuel taxes today is that they go into general funds and can be used for anything.

Oh, wait... A fucking leaf.

DMT powered hyperloop

>company buys all roads in a town
>have to use them to get around
>just use other roads :^^^)

saved

The best awnser would be, ancaps believes that money will solve everything while libertarians believe that money can solve almost everything, but not everything.

Competition prevents monopoly of happening.

And strong laws prevent cartels to form.

>Government has a monopoly on the roads and they are always shit
Crickets.
>Private company has a monopoly on the roads and they are poor in quality
YOU FUCKING LIBERTARIAN CAPITALIST SCUMBAGS

>people will build their own roads,

There can only be one shortest route.

>You would go by train from point A to B.

There can only be one shortest train route from A to B.

>as soon as they have more customers than their "natural" straight line can accomodate,

Then they will up the price of the road to reduce traffic. gb2biz101

Idiot.

And what exactly is going to stop me from driving through their land or dozens of people taking it from them?

>The road that they build willingly, and you want to willingly use it, yes.

It's like saving someone from shark infested waters in exchange of them being my sex slave for the next 5 years and saying they were free to choose. SUCH FREEDOM. Same story with roads, people will be "free" to choose whether to get extorted or have no job and starve.

The non aggression principle,

If you trespass on his land, you have driectly assaulted his body. He has the right to defend himself.

Libertarians are soooo cute.

I love the idea of a Libertarian utopia. I'm going to use my trust fund money (my parents are VERY rich) to fund my own "private security firm". And then I'm going to use this "private security firm" to go around killing people, stealing their shit, and raping and kidnapping their children.

Since I've got enough money to afford more guards and bigger guns than anyone else, who the fuck is going to stop me?

Why are you equating libertarianism with anarchy?

I have never heard any libertarian argue that there should be no government at all, only that it should be as small as possible.

Government's primary responsibilities should be in order:
>National defense
>Upholding and enforcing the law
>Public infrastructure (which includes roads faggot)

Sage goes in all fields

>nobody would fix potholes and build roads
People who own roads would fix the roads.

>There is only one shortest route between two points
>The person who owns that route has a natural monopoly.
Wrong. There are many starting points and many destinations, there are many routes to be used, and people don't always use the shortest route, especially when traffic is taken into account.

All wrong.

I think you've confused ancaps with libertarians.

Its not just about being the shortest. Its about who will give the best service by the smallest price.

If the guy has a good train, for the shortest route and charges 50 pounds for the ride, and another company offer a route that takes 20 minutes more than the first one but charges 35 pounds, the user will have the choice of arriving earlier by a bigger fee or, if he is not in a hurry, taking 20 minutes more for a smaller one.

Things like how clean the wagons are, if there is food, if seats are confortable will all be taking into account by the user too.

This already happen in the UK with Hotels and buses.

If you prefer the goverment to do it, fine man.

That is your opinion.

From a socialist hellhole like Brazil, I can tell you that the roads with potholes are the ones that are State owned. The private ones are pristine with emergency phones every mile in the case you break down your car and need rescue.

And we won't have guns?

Again, what about a dozen or hundred people?

In Southern California, we pay top dollar for roads but we get third world pot holes like OPs pic, roads are little more than hard pack dirt.

That's governments fault.

>money issued by a state-owned bank
>worth anything

4Wheel drive. I make my own roads.

What about schools/public education?
What about healthcare?
What about a safety net for when I get laid off at 55?

He'll have a security firm.

I hope your possey is bigger, meaner, and better armed.

PERFECT

Libertarians will just develop teleportation.

>Wrong. There are many starting points and many destinations

Between two points there is one, and only one, shortest route.

Learn2physics.

>He'll have a security firm.
What if he's poor?

>Company breaks all the roads around it
>only fixes one
>people are forced to use that one
>lolbertarian society

if you had ever driven off road before you would know that 4wd means shit to trees and rocks larger than a basketball

>Its not just about being the shortest

Distance is fuel. Fuel is money.

Money talks, bullshit walks.

Or the population can agree to hire a group of people that will manage all roads in a region, let's call this hypothetical region a state, and each person that lives in that region and uses those roads, because they own cars, will contribute to this consortium with money.
This will ensure individuals don't need to waste their time each looking for a viable road to go through or care about building roads themselves, and also will make roads cheaper since this consortium, let's call it "gov", will buy material and hire builders in great quantity.
Just my 2 cents.

Hell we got that now. What's the difference?

>just make straight lines man just use a grid
thats how you get shitholes like san francisco that have roads that go up at like 45 degree angles and shit

fuck you

you dont know SHIT about roads man

Then he won't own the shortest route between two points for very long.

absurd, it could never work

You dont wanna get teleported bruv.

In order to send matter from one point to another, you would have to destroy the original.

You would be dead. The thing that would arrive on the other side would be a perfect copy of you, but not you.

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For this to happens the company would have to buy all the other roads.
The price would be so high that they would not be able to break even with just one.

This is what DETRAN does in here, and yet, our roads are shit.

Why?

That sounds a lot like theft to me. What if I don't want to pay this consortium to use their roads?

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implying capitalism is doing any better

>all routes are equally travelled

maybe in Croatia where there is nowhere worth going to

>For this to happens the company would have to buy all the other roads.

Why?

I can guarantee that if you live in a city the most direct route between two popular locations is the slowest route because every retard is taking it. Consider suicide

>people actually still think "but what about the roads" is a good argument
A road is just a long line of cement, poured by a big truck. Anyone can do it. It's not some kind of really advanced concept that we need the super-humans known as the government to do for us. Ever think about the fact that the government is the same species as you? Wow I can't believe you actually think they're smarter than you and more competent than you, and capable of doing things that you can't. What a shitty thing to think about yourself.

this, there's a reason people will often get onto highways to avoid surface streets, it's a road capacity thing

it's a longer route but it's actually faster because it's not bumper-to-bumper bullshit

you'll niggas need to play some Sim City

sage

See >Company breaks all the roads around it
>only fixes one
>people are forced to use that one
>lolbertarian society

You don't have to pay if you don't want to, but then you can't drive your car on those streets, otherwise you would be the thief.

>Anyone can do it.
people ain't got time for that shit tho, it's better to leave it in the hands of specialists whose job it is to handle the roads while I do other things

But I didn't choose to live there. This is theft to force this consortium upon me. I will take the roads if I damn well please, because I never personally signed any agreement or disagreement about them. How will you stop me?

The cost of the toll road is also money, and if it's more money than fuel and travel time is worth then they'd take a longer route.

>This is what DETRAN does in here, and yet, our roads are shit.
>Why?
Because the people hire the wrong people for the job.

>You dont wanna get teleported bruv.

>In order to send matter from one point to another, you would have to destroy the original.

>You would be dead. The thing that would arrive on the other side would be a perfect copy of you, but not you.

I love it when people here regurgitate well know pop-culture tropes they read on their favourite article site or youtube video and try and present it as if they were some sort of intellectual providing the masses with some much needed enlightenment.

Never change you fucking faggot

If a route is popular it costs more. The plebs are priced out of the market. The route is cleared of dense traffic, but is expensive.

The shortest route is a natural monopoly.

Supply and Demand.

Yes, but

What's to prevent the company from contracting some rogue Serbian wetwork team under the table to assassinate the roads of their competitors?

>it's a longer route but it's actually faster because i

Distance is fuel. Fuel is money.

What did I regurgitate sir.
Could point out what I said wrong?

Also, disregard the movie, that was obiviusly a joke.

What I wrote down to that user is true tho.

I agree, public servant are wrong ppl for that particular job.

We should privatize the roads.

"quantum physics" is the worst offender for that shit

>there are people, likely in this very thread, who literally believe quantum physics is non-deterministic
>there are people, likely in this very thread, who literally believe quantum physics is random

And arrive later. Time is also money.

Being stuck in traffic is also fuel though, and time, which are both money.

Are you saying you have some sort of ownership over the space they are building the roads?

I'm not saying YOU have to do it or something. It's just that the government isn't required to do it.

Also, I like the idea of the Roman system, with low income tax, where the army built the roads, the aqueducts, etc. This way roads can still be planned, but it doesn't require higher taxes, and it's something for the military to do while not in combat.

>And arrive later.
They can just go faster on the road, because theres not as much traffic on it.

A high demand route would be expensive, which equals less traffic.

>conpany (Highwaymax) breaks all the roads
>RoadCo-branded TOW missile through the CEOs window the next morning

where did I say you where wrong retard?

I bet you're the kind of faggot when someone brings up the Vikings that "erm actually they never wore horned helmets thats just a misconception" despite everyone else already knowing that and nobody even bringing it up.

But the distance is greater. Fuel is money.

I dont care about Vikings, tho yeah, they where just fishermen and merchants.

False. A bridge and a tunnel with connecting roads can have an equally short distance between two points.

Also, distance doesn't matter. A surface road with traffic lights will take longer to navigate than a tunnel without them.

T. Brisbane

>without government, roads and social cohesion cease to exist

>It's just that the government isn't required to do it.
No one says they're required to do it in the way you mean it.

Rather, when they say "the government is required to...." they mean it in the sense of "The government has a duty to..." and not "The government is the only body capable of..."

It is better that the government handle such affairs, though, because governments are necessarily non-profit entities while corporations are necessarily for-profit. It's cheaper to have the nonprofit do things, assuming the government isn't corrupt.

>it's something for the military to do while not in combat.
Would you honestly trust marines with anything more sensitive than polishing rocks?

>Fuel is money
so is the fucking toll you cunt, if you have to pay 54 dollars to save 23 dollars of gas, it's not worth it

>completely missed the point

You are an actual retarded faggot

>We should privatize the roads.
It's either a state monopoly or a private monopoly.
I'm with whatever works best, honestly.
BUT I have plenty of examples around the world where state monopoly of roads work really well.
Do you have any example of a full road transportation system monopolized by private companies working anywhere in the world?

woooowwwwwwwwww never knew that

>ancap pic
>murder

Libertarian societies still have laws, police, judges and prisons.

No. Im just trying to piss you off.

And boy, Im having sucess in my endeavor.

State monopoly yes.
Private monopoly, no.

Dont forget that the companies still have to provide the service that is on the contract. And they will be competing with other ones.

Monopoly only forms when the goverment has power enough to bend private copanies to their will, making an incestuous relationship between the parties, Like Odebrescht and PT.

Why do you think brazilian companies dont want outside companies to have the right to build roads and railroads down here? Because it would break their monopolies.

If I own a business, I want people to have access to my product. Ergo, I have motivation to invest in roads so people can get to my business.

> No roads = no economy
Someone better pay a company to build/maintain them then huh!? almost every road/canal/dock was payed for by vested interests for the purpose of increasing business flow or gain access to resources retard.
If you are asking how would people organize payment then they would have to ask around before taking money. i.e discuss infrastructure changes and force people to make value judgments before pushing things through.

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If the government still has monopoly of force then who's going to stop them from becoming more authoritarian?

why do people even post in these threads? the majority of Sup Forums is too retarded to understand the difference between limited government and no government, so it's useless trying to have a conversation. probably has something to do with the autism