>If people find themselves complaining about Mary Jane’s ethnicity they have lives that are too good.
>I can't respond to the racists - I'm not ever going to change their minds. But for the thoughtful majority of you out there:
>For me, if a character's primary attribute - the thing that makes them iconic - is the color of their skin, or their hair color, frankly, that character is shallow and sucks. For me, what makes MJ MJ is her alpha female playfulness, and if the actress captures that, then she'll work. And, for the record, I think Zendaya even matches what I think of as MJ's primary physical characteristics - she's a tall, thin model - much more so than actresses have in the past.
What's Sup Forums's thought on MJ now being black?
Hunter Long
I don't mind it. Gunn is right.
John Murphy
It's important to note, he says he doesn't even remember which character she's playing even after reading the script and meeting her. Doubt she's MJ.
Jace Price
I hate how Gunn tries to sound honest and clean in social media. This nigga clearly lies most of the time, the thing is he just takes time to answer questions on Twitter while other directors ignore them.
He obviously knows who plays MJ, he just isn't allowed to open his mouth so he feeds them bullshit.
Daniel Turner
She better have red hair
MJ is black. Aang is white. Superman is half asian. Johnny Storm is black Motoko Kusanagi is white.
They're all fictional
Cameron Young
>I think Zendaya even matches what I think of as MJ's primary physical characteristics - she's a tall, thin model - much more so than actresses have in the past.
Shots fired at Dunst and whatserface
Leo Brown
>Tries to take the moral highground >By bodyshaming previous MJ actresses
Isaac Butler
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Luis Bennett
First off, he didn't confirm the rumor Secondly, he's right Thirdly, Zendaya's barely black
Man, remember all the cancelled projects and castings we hear about from the '90s or whatever like when Robin was going to be black and Jimmy Olsen was going to be Chris Rock? How wold've Sup Forums reacted to that, was it Jewish agendas or just just "colorblind casting"?
Wyatt Cook
no shit! what a pig
Grayson Williams
Seriously.
Robert Fisher
>For me, if a character's primary attribute - the thing that makes them iconic - is the color of their skin, or their hair color, frankly, that character is shallow and sucks. Gunn must hate Luke Cage then
Alexander Turner
I hope ribbit runs with this
Kevin Brown
and Black Panther
Parker Fisher
>non-white character gets played by white actor >'OMG NOT FAIR! Need more black people in movies pls' >white characters gets played by white actors 'OMG NOT FAIR! Need more black people in movies pls' >white character gets played by non-white actor >'Dude race isn't even a thing, chill out'
Nathaniel Long
Ribbit loves James "meme" Gunn though, no way they'd run with it.
Nolan Wright
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Lincoln Gomez
A characters' race "doesn't matter" only if they're a white changed into a non-white.
Iron Fist has legitimate, story-driven reasons for being white and these people still said "he could be asian and still be an outsider".
Owen Rodriguez
Everyone's a hypocrite, including me and you, Anonymous.
Zachary Hughes
If they wanted to make a show about persecution in the modern world while also giving representation to vastly under represented minorities, then Luke Cage should have been a transgender.
Xavier Hill
What if he was black? According to the outsider concept the only thing important is that he's not Asian
James Cruz
If he's right then he's condoning any race changes in the future and his words should be used against any people that bitch about any race changes.
Kayden Foster
I wouldn't give a shit about this if the casting wasn't for the sole purpose of adding color to the movie. Like, stop saying other reasons behind casting a dark skinned, dark haired girl for an iconically pale redhead.
Jose Gonzalez
Then his friendship with Luke wouldn't be as interesting, and his relationship with Misty wouldn't be as 'progressive'.
Liam Ramirez
He could be, he's better off being white for story purposes but he could have been anything other than asian and it would have mostly worked the same-- except for the whole old money WASP kid out of water aspect which would be harder to sell.
Jaxson Mitchell
Can we have a black Hitler star in a retelling of WW2? Or does this just apply to fictional characters
Andrew Jackson
He's right. But I do hope she gets the hair.
Thomas Price
Of course
Heh, well then, what if he was Indian, central American, Arab, Italian...
Cameron Ross
And they chose a white actor so your argument is moot. And there will always be retards.
Nicholas Martin
>Insulting the fans and calling them bigots. This worked so well for Ghostbusters.
Noah Harris
Literally the only races that wouldn't work as well as white would be black or asian, any other race would be fine.
John Johnson
Just keep her out of the sun, dye her hair and add a lighter base to her make up pallet. BOOM
Kayden Perez
Didn't that make its money back?
Henry Gonzalez
You can't portray blacks in a hateful role like that.
How about casting every american soldier as a black guy. After all, race shouldn't matter, right?
Austin Cox
Its production budget, but not the marketing.
Aiden Nguyen
>MJ is black Ok, I've heard rumors but is this 100% confirmed or not?
Nathaniel Torres
He's got a point.
If you don't like it, don't pay to watch it.
Jack Myers
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Brody James
It's more or less confirmed it's not happening. People are going fucking crazy anyway.
Nicholas Nguyen
If they do this I'm SURE the black community would be in a shitfit about how we white-washed her to make her fit some stupid comic role. People would eat that up.
Gabriel Green
So wait, does this officially confirm the casting is MJ?
Jordan Martinez
just start taking traditionally black characters and changing them to white
see what happens
Isaac Baker
>For me, if a character's primary attribute - the thing that makes them iconic - is the color of their skin, or their hair color, frankly, that character is shallow and sucks.
Black Panther is iconic for being black, so that's a stupid thing to say.
Daniel Ross
This. If she's really MJ I hope the extreme makeover theory is also true. I mean, Zendaya is pretty cute with that shabby look we've seen so far, but that just isn't MJ
Easton Cook
movies are actually a blackhole from which no profits escape
Jack Ross
Yeah, I'd be less annoyed if it went both ways but it doesn't. It just seems like over the years we've been inundated with "white is evil" bullshit and whatever so you get all this shit about how a character's skin color doesn't matter but that only applies to white characters. Try to change the race of a non-white character, especially if you make them white, and you'll catch holy hell until the studios capitulate and the directors issue spineless apologies.
Juan Clark
No.
Nathaniel Brooks
Asians have been dealing with that for years and nobody bats an eye.
Jacob Sanders
The only thing that triggers me is when they cast a character the wrong color.
They should be able to grab a black guy that can act a certain way, and they should be able to grab a hispanic guy that can act a certain way.
I never want to see "TONY ORTIZ" played by a white dude that doesn't even look Hispanic, or a "CHING PO" played by a black guy.
That's why I'm against white people playing colored roles, and I'm also against colored people playing white roles. If anything, there really just needs to be more colored characters in movies.
Cameron Phillips
Sold! Ok, so the Japanese will be played by tall white men... or is that racial appropriation FUCK
Joshua Turner
Everybody keeps going "But they only chose the best actress for the role!"
I highly doubt an actress who's best known for Shake It Up on Disney Channel is the best actress for the role, and that there was nobody who tried out for the role that was at least equally talented who better looked the part.
Gabriel Williams
Who is actually complaining though? I see articles all the time defending the casting choice and blasting all the critics. But I have yet seen articles about people going "quotas". I feel like SJW's and Marvel are just trying to stir up shit. No one cares about MJ's ethnicity as long as she is a red head and hot.
Jack Parker
>wanna make new spiderman stand out from the last 2 iterations >racebend established characters >doesn't just create new ones to differentiate even further I'm so confused
Juan Wood
>and his relationship with Misty wouldn't be as 'progressive' I guarantee you it's not seen that way by the race whiners. There's a strong thought that the idea of white men being with non-white women either irl or in fictional works, is racist in and of itself because white men hold all the power so it's essentially a form of sexual colonization or racial fetishism. Of course white guys being with white girls is racist too because they're being so close-minded that they can't picture themselves with another race or allow their women to date other races (specifically black men).
Then you have the fact black men dating white women pisses off black women too.
Sebastian Miller
Have you even been reading Sup Forums?
Logan Young
Not really, some are reporting Sony might've lost $70million over it
It's easy to legitimize any bitching by saying you're a valuable fan. Those pushing for a more stronk and independent Harley Quinn consider themselves fans too, who are you to call them wrong about their vision of the character, right?
Ethan Williams
He's iconic for being the first black superhero, his characterization has very little to do with his race and way more to do with his nationality. If there were dozens of black capes at the time, as there were white ones, maybe you'd be less likely to point out his race.
Jordan Green
fuck it why not just make everyone black and make it like the wiz
Wyatt Clark
Let's have a white Luke Cage then.
Matthew Flores
>If people find themselves complaining about Mary Jane’s ethnicity they have lives that are too good.
We are overdue for another Holocaust.
Brayden King
>MJ >not a shallow cunt before she married Peter Okay
Jose Jackson
She's not playing Mary Jane. She's more or less confirmed to be either an original character or Michelle Gonzales.
Samuel Lewis
I have seen a few troll threads kind of making fun of it but are obviously not serious. Most threads have ppl saying they don't care. Which surprised me, but Sup Forums has the jungle fever so its okay for female roles to be race swapped.
Wyatt Lee
Half the threads are actually full of Sup Forums and Sup Forums shitposters whining about how being white is integral to MJ's character, with quite a few of them saying they weren't going to see the movie because of it.
Kevin Allen
No, you can't have them be played by white people. But, since there's so few american-asian actors we just have the few there are play high ranking officers, and cover the white actors who fill the ranks with face masks and full helmets. Also, don't credit those white guys in the end.
And no, we can't add japanese speaking parts, or german speaking parts then put subtitles on it. Everyone speaks english. Don't want to upset anyone who can't read well enough.
Dylan Williams
There are fucking 11 MJ threads including this one.
STOP.
This board is turning to shit the more and more Sup Forumsmblr drones immigrate. We need to take a leaf out of Sup Forums's book and just shit all over people who haven't read a single comic or cartoon. This is Sup Forums - comics and cartoons, not Sup Forums - tv and movies.
Grayson Baker
He said he was told at some point but he doesn't remember what character she's playing. Unless we assume he's.lying, I'd find it hard to believe he can forget Mary Jane of all characters
Benjamin Robinson
Sup Forumsmblr was how it was before the movies invaded you fucking newfag. It's the Sup Forums shitposters that are doing this, and they're the ones making it not Sup Forumsmblr.
Chase Stewart
Complete utter liar.
Grayson Campbell
Name a good comic or cartoon out now that's popular enough to talk about, check the catalog and if it's not there, make a thread. People who want to talk about it will join.
Mason Barnes
>For me, if a character's primary attribute - the thing that makes them iconic - is the color of their skin, or their hair color, frankly, that character is shallow and sucks. So we're cancelling the Black Panther movie then.
Jacob Peterson
>fans
If they're bitching about the movie than obviously they're not fans
>bigots
Stop being a bigot if you don't want to be called one? Not complicated.
Christian Williams
It kinda makes sense what they are doing with the film racially. If it bombs (like most spider-man movies) the studio and actors will pull SJW card on the audience. It wont be cuz of shit writing or crappy acting
I'm down with this
Caleb Bell
As for Mar-Jaqueesha, there's a backlash because they're trying to reinvent the wheel. Yeah, nostalgia is a big part of it, but that's because Mary Jane is an iconic character - and that includes the way she looks.
And let's not pretend like it's not tokenism, the debacle over the Ancient One shows that Marvel Studios will drop the "champion of the downtrodden minorities" guise if it hurts the bottom line.
William Williams
You may actually be on to something there...
Caleb Price
OOOGA CHAKA OOGA OOGA CHAKA just wanted to post that. James Gun is pretty based. How could a guy who made an awesome movie be wrong.
Ethan Morales
>She better have red hair
>TFW it's a weave
Gavin Fisher
That's completely different, user. You know that, ask any highly paid exec. The Black Panther movie is empowering.
Kevin Gutierrez
>If it bombs (like most spider-man movies)
William Parker
yeah, I mean, thats a fair point, James. But you do realize that is the exact opposite of what social justice people think right? the entire point of "representation" is "the color of the skin effects their character, history, and treatment."
Hunter Mitchell
So then if someone wanted to make a movie where Black Panther is played by a White guy... that'd be just peachy keen, right?
Liam Gray
Sup Forums here, I agree. You people are way too normalfag friendly.
Nolan Bennett
Hitler isn't a fictional character, your analogy fails
Dylan Myers
>For me, if a character's primary attribute - the thing that makes them iconic - is the color of their skin, or their hair color, frankly, that character is shallow and sucks. I don't understand why we're not allowed to have bad characters though. Some characters just kind of do suck. Some characters don't have many redeeming qualities because they're not the goddamned superhero main character that the comic is about. I'm not saying Mary Jane sucks, but if everyone sees generic quirky friend side character #2 as blonde, but they're not all that fleshed out, who are you to turn them black? Where's your talent that changing their recognizable features makes them a better character?
Alexander Perry
So when is Blade going to be rebooted as a white guy? After all being black isn't an important attribute. It's his cool disposition in the face of being trapped between two isolated worlds.
Origin story isn't a problem either since poor whites exist.
Isaac Roberts
>give the rights back to Marvel Studios >they know how to do a good Spiderman movie!
Ryder Bell
Their logic is retarded, they should all just start dating Muslims so they'll realise how much worse they could have it.
Brayden Parker
>fan can't complain Fan of the character, not of that character-butchering movie.
>stop being bigots nigger, you don't get to arbitrarily change what bigot means to support your shit
Jace Jones
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Jacob Cooper
>a fan should accept any bullshit without question Fuck outta here.
By the same logic, if they're changing MJ's - and almost everybody else's - race from what Stan and Steve created, they aren't fans of the source material.
Parker Bailey
Oh... It will bomb.
Parker Price
Pretty much the same as black Hermione, black Human Torch and Black Little Orphan Annie. Don't care.
John Hall
Neither are iconic cause they're black.
Luke is pretty much a no name. Without the Bendis push he'd remain at best an era of tokenism and/or forgotten as strong black man #42423.
BP tends to be well more known for his hyper advance background and being a combination of batman + doom in an African country unusually advanced.
You could race swap out BP like you could Batman. It'd work but feel off. Modern Luke the same. Although I think its the comics that hammer in racial persecution while other media just goes with generic chemical experiments on criminals.
Isaiah Walker
DUDE RACISM LMAO
Gavin King
>If it bombs Literally impossible.
Austin Hall
>Origin story isn't a problem either since poor whites exist. Bullshit, didn't you hear what Bernie said?
Jaxson Kelly
>man, fuck sjws >Gunn outs himself as a sjw >OH BOY SJWS RULE Why do you do this to yourself, Sup Forums?
>Spider-Man Farewell, MCU.
Jeremiah Ward
What is even remotely SJW about what he said?
Owen Rivera
MJ is remembered for many things: Her witty "not a damsel" attitude, her abusive relationship with his redneck dad, her red hair.
If you are not going to do the MJ character but a new MJ-like character, why call her MJ?
At this point is a disservice with the property.
Cameron Jenkins
>Colorblind Casting Do they really expect people to believe that? They clearly cast minorities for white characters on purpose.