I'm bored. Ask a socialist who frequents Sup Forums anything

I'm bored. Ask a socialist who frequents Sup Forums anything

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>ask
If I shoot all Marxists and burn all the literature will you die?

why are you bored

good luck, I'm fire proof.

Although I'm sure if you actually read any of Marx works, you would find your self in more agreement with him than you think. Its the Communist Manifesto that every one in the states raggs on him about

Daniel this is your father. Get a fucking job already, your mother cries because of you.

not any good threads right now :/

Not daniel, not sure what this situation is, but being passive aggressive won't solve it.

>Although I'm sure if you actually read any of Marx works, you would find your self in more agreement with him than you think
No, I am a Monarchist Catholic.

Why are there no good communist anime?

Yeah and I like missionary only for the sole purpose of reproduction too.

>checked

Not sure. I mean I've seen things but nothing thats out right about communism.

Because anime is Japanese and subversive and never forget Nanking

Why does socialism kills human spirit?

Somehow I misread that you were a social scientist. And when I read again I honestly couldn't tell if it was better or worse.

Thoughts on Stalin?

>petty socialist bourgeoisie
the same thing happens in capitalism

>over worked workers
>under apreciated workers
>lower production

>workers not over worked
>workers who feel apreciated
>higher productivity

This has been extremely well established.

What are your plans for battling our future Islamist oppressors?

Are you a national socialist? Or a cuck socialist?

Whats wrong with social sciences?

Evil paranoid man, clearly suffered from several mental illnesses.

Killed more of the same types than Hitler had killed. I'm not sure why Hitler is the one every one looks up to really, Stallen killed way more jews and fags than Hitler

So you're a filthy revisionist then

Alright Timmy, it's time to stop being autistic.

huh? Islamic oppressors, where? tell Me more

National Socialism is neither socialism, or nationalist. Its facist and very globalist.

I shower daily, I'm not a fan of violence.

Conservative news source here

hbr.org/2015/08/the-research-is-clear-long-hours-backfire-for-people-and-for-companies

Why is socialism so retarded?

National Socialism means giving you things not taking away, this is a retards terms.

Collectivism is a power vacuum, which always leads to corruption, oligarchy, failure and misery, which also includes industrial age capitalism.

>Its facist and very globalist.
How the fuck is it globalist? Also fascism is a variant of socialism.

I wasn't referring to the Nazis specifically, I was more referring to socialism created on nationalist/ethnic lines, a kind of socialism advocated by the likes of Jack London. But you're quite obviously a moron if you call fascism "globalism". Disappointing.

Communist Manifesto were Marx's shitkid years. You want Das Kapital.

If I am a nationalist but I agree with socialist economic values.
Why can't I be a national socialist?
Really it just seems like you put your people first unlike eurocuck socialism.

how much dick do you suck on a daily basis?

Or to put it simply what is your opinion on National Socialism?

Why do you choose to be wrong.

When are you moving to Venezuela?

I dunno, why can't you make a point with out name calling?

Just like capitalism, something has be to be given before it can be received. In this case, its taken "by force", the same it would be in the united states, save for the 5th Amendment thing about cruel and unusual punishments

Hence why in Marxist Communism, there is no real government. Not the way you think of any way. The same thing happens in Capitalism too.
>petty socialist bourgeois

Elite control government in the form of corperation like entities buying politicians = facism

Wanting to take over the world = globalist

facism =/= globalism

I'm a very big fan of E. pluribus unum, or jurisdictions

Good observation

Then I guess your a "national" "socialist". Might want to say "nationalist and socialist"

I already asked him, he said it was "globalism".

If your argument for socialism's failures is that your magical infallible version of it has never been implemented, can you please kill yourself?

>facism =/= globalism
You just stated in your previous post that national socialism was fascist AND very globalist.

You make no sense. No surprise you're a socialist.

ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

DIVERSITY IS A CODE WORD FOR WHITE GENOCIDE

But globalism is about providing the ultra rich elite with unlimited cheap manpower and access to third world resources :0

I know. OP is a moron.

Saying that X is Y and Z does not mean that Y = Z user

Sorry, but you failed basic logic and thus I award you a nigger tier IQ of 70

not as much as your father does at the truck stop I saw him at

I mean, I guess. I really have nothing against immigrants, but I wouldn't miss them either. But if your a citizen of a country, why should you be excluded?

Id check your own country, they are pretty socialistic.

>Venezuela
>Socialism
>pick one


>coming to Sup Forums and not knowing the story of how the US fucked over Venezuala.
>PRICELESS

Nazi's where globalists. They wanted to take over the world so they could trade with them selfs for benefit of the select few.

Is being implemented in Europe, They seem to be wining, even if I don't always agree with them

Hasn't been implimented in Russia, China, Or NORK. Thats called a petty socialist country

Globalism is the idea that there should be a global government

Fascism is the idea that government should serve the elite

see how the two are not equated.

National Socialism, or NAZI'S?

its a class problem really. That and the earth was never meant to handle 7.5 billion people.

You can be a Globalist and a Fascist. The two are not mutually exclusive you know

>pic related

also, I said they where not the same, not that they are the same.

>ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!
Observe how none of Communist or even ex-Communist countries have such a policy.

Observe how all of the turbocapitalist ones do.

The only possible conclusion is Communist trickery

Sure but in this context it does, because fascism and globalism are both political systems. Fascism and globalism are irreconcilable.

Fucking moron.

>Nazi's where globalists. They wanted to take over the world so they could trade with them selfs for benefit of the select few
Okay, you have nigger tier intelligence.

What a waste of time.

>le anti-ancap who doesn't understand ownership meme

at least I can make My point with out name calling

What point? You're inventing things. Saying "the earth is flat" is not making a point.

>checked

What did I invent then?

The following statements are false:
>Fascism is the idea that government should serve the elite
>Nazi's where globalists. They wanted to take over the world

Why are most Left - and specially in America, BOUGHT by globalist bankster jews (Soros) ?

Hence what only seems to be Left, is actually a bankster storm troops, fascist tool, only a disguise of left to discredit it... A jewish tool to promote degeneracy and 3rd world invasion.

Doctors are BOUGHT by Big Pharma vaccinations, Islam is BOUGHT by (((Saud Sheiks))), Left is BOUGHT by globalist (((banksters)))...

When will some genuine Left resurface again ?

How is the 9th grade going?

Why haven't you grown up?

>Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[7] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

or fascist believe in an elite being in control for benefit of the elite


>The New Order (German: Neuordnung) or the New Order of Europe (German: Neuordnung Europas) was the political order which Nazi Germany wanted to impose on the conquered areas under its dominion. The establishment of the New Order had already begun long before the start of World War II, but was publicly proclaimed by Adolf Hitler in 1941:


>The year 1941 will be, I am convinced, the historical year of a great European New Order.[1]

>or, the nazies wanted to take over the world, thus making them globalists for wanting a global government

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)

Welcome to capitalism

I wouldn't know

how do you reconcile the socialist ideology with America's history of freedom?

why haven't you?

The two are completely separate. One is an opinion, the other is a well documented fact.

>Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[7] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society
This is literally socialism in its marxist-leninist vanguard party dictatorship of the proletariat formulation.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)
Conquering Poland is different from conquering the world. Please show me of Hitler's plans to conquer Mongolia, Botswana and Nicaragua.

J-just.......stop, search everything about communism without taking sides.
Learn how human nature is.
m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLiEL0l0mgw5WeJt71NHJgkOcgX5B-VyZa&v=fwGGYIEBKZY

This

Also I might add, when are you going to kill yourself to escape from that capitalist nightmare?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=_sPmCFAY--I

Marx: the people are smart enough to rule them selfs

Lennin: the people are too stupid and therefor need to be ruled.

You just sound uneducated when you think Marx and Lennin are the same

>how can you conquer the world if you don't conquer your neighbors first. Hitler was very clear about his plans to take over the world.

>America
>Freedom
>Had slavery longer than any other western country
>Long history of oppressing niggers
>Genocided Native Americans to a fraction of their former population
>Did the same with the Bison
>Non-Anglo European immigrants were hated more than niggers in northern cities
>Imprisoned Japanese Americans during WWII soley due to their Japanses heritage
>Civil rights were not a thing until the 1960s
>Gays couldn't get married in most states until recently
>Immigrants are used as indentured servants on farms and construction companies

I'm pretty sure Marx also argued for a state of sorts, at least during the transitional stage.

suuuuuuuure

>most Left - and specially in America
America never had a Left movement. They had a moderately successful Anarchist movement in early XX century but it was brutally repressed. There were some left-leaning groups during the civil rights era but they were only opportunistically leftist.

Consider that with "Communist" being a slur in America, it is only natural to expect a large proportion of membership in a leftist group to be provocateurs, police informants, and so on. Why would these people abandon a trade they dedicated their life to, sabotage? They're still at it, old and respected, hijacking lefty memes to serve their corporate masters.

Recently I've been trying to think of an example of a Leftist regime fostered by specifically Western Leftists. Is Khmer Rouge (French) actually the only one? Wow nice try. At least it was radical.

In contrast, China, Vietnam, even North Korea (which for all its failings was ALWAYS better run than Cambodia, Communist or not) still exist and are doing fine.

Another thing I find hilarious is that Trump's program is straight out of Chomsky and trumptards can't see it behind right-wing language.

I read the Capital

He is a shit author who was proven wrong by history. Some of his points are valid which is no surprise, it'd be a miracle if someone wrote hundreds of pages of exclusive bullshit, most of it can't be salvaged in the end.

As for Karl Marx and socialism, people who believe this never read Karl Marx.

>hey guises
>here's the deal
>we need to do a revolution
>wanna know why?
>because capitalism will only get worse
Aaaand he's already wrong, it improved a lot since he wrote it

>every single crisis will be worse than the previous one
I honestly wonder what went through his mind when he wrote that

>and capitalism will eventually crumble by itself
Then why the fuck do you want to do a revolution

>but we don't actually need to do a revolution now, instead you should enjoy capitalism until you already harvested all you could from it
Which means the revolution would never happen since capitalism will never lose its potential

Why do you like stealing from people and killing them?

Socialism is the transitional stage.

I am not sure what I am missing when people say "I am a socialist :DDDD". You should be a communist, not a socialist, since socialism is just a transition.

It should not surprise anyone that Fascism has similarities to Socialism, Fascism was designed as a Third Way between Liberalism and Socialism in the first place, so of course it shares features with both.

Detractors of Fascism claim it managed to collect all the bad things from both, proponents claim it gathered the best aspects. But none of this should surprise anyone.

As a Libertarian Socialist you can go fuck yourself you statist fuck trying to take control of the free market. Let their be no government, no wealth owners of societies, and a beautiful free market.

you are a moron

how does marx solve problem with motivating people and parasites leaching the system

>America
>Freedom
>Late to the game, late out of the game
>Unlike every other country's history of oppressing no one...
>No one complained when Alexander and onward did it, even all the way up to the Spanish Empire, just us, we get all the shit.
>Stupid people are stupid, what's new, but we brought them back too
>Trash peasants invading high class New York etc.
>FDR was a communist and a traitor
>Civil rights just means written down.
>No one cares, never will
>Because they would be free if they stayed home, that's why they choose to come here and be "indentured servants"
>Blah blah lies blah blah

I don't get it

the struggle is real yo.

this "transitional state" would be called socialism, yes. However, the idea of socialism has evolved since his inception of it.

pic related

Name one person who is right 100% of the time?

These improvements have been through what one would call social law, or some call socialism.

Capitallism hasn't improved at all really, at least in the states.
>trickle down economics


>every single crisis will be worse than the previous one
>I honestly wonder what went through his mind when he wrote that

for large part is has. The bust of 07 should have been worse, but here came bush and co with TARP. That only put the problems off longer. The great depression could have been the last major issue with capitalism, but then we had do do trickle down economics, which has now undone all the protections that where in place to prevent another depression.


>and capitalism will eventually crumble by itself
>Then why the fuck do you want to do a revolution

A feel I'm sure you know, some of us are impatient, others feel the calling.

>but we don't actually need to do a revolution now, instead you should enjoy capitalism until you already harvested all you could from it
Which means the revolution would never happen since capitalism will never lose its potential

Tell Me what its like for the lower classes (or niggers as you would call them). I would consider My self a part of a lower class. Come down here and try it buddy...

>capitalism hasn't improved at all really, at least in the states.
Of course, my little commie friend, of course. Nothing at all.

>Aaaand he's already wrong, it improved a lot since he wrote it
Can you give a brief account of exactly how in your own words?

I don't see real improvements aside from better sanitation in some countries, which was enforced by the state anyway. The average citizen still hasn't regained the quality of life he enjoyed as a feudal peasant. He has to work twice as much (and his wife too, so four times as much work), cannot afford to have children or eat fresh food.
>and capitalism will eventually crumble by itself
>Then why the fuck do you want to do a revolution
>your house will eventually crumble by itself
>The why the fuck do you want to tear it down
To not get buried when it happens, obviously.

Capitalism hasn't done anything for the lower class? What about this?

Isn't this what the UK did for hundreds of years? Nothing new there. Country has what we want, war is a small investment, win, ???, profit. Thats how that works

Socialism as a philosophy has evolved. Right now the current definition means that that the government should provide for a few basics and reign in the ruling classes so they aren't irresponsible withe their money (and they are extremely irresponsible here in the US right now)

No government, no ant-trust

Have anyone found proof that people are leaching off the system? Because every study I read on the subject says that at least in the U.S, the fear of people abusing it, is preventing the use of it by people who need it.

>see
>because pic related

Yes, see and I am a Brazilian, do you think I am at the top of the world? Capitalism allows me to earn a living by work. I earn what I deserve. If I want to become upper class, I will study, which is what i am doing right now since I am at law school.

Commies don't want to work.

you're quite obviously a moron.

But hey, capitalism just leeches off the poor, working people, to give it all to the evil CEOs, right?

No contributions to society whatsoever, right?

:DDD

My graph has a source, wheres your source

See how this co-insides with the end of the great depression/ww2 and Regans Trickle down theories?

you two are why I love this site

good luck being rich becoming a lawyer. You either have to be really good, or know someone. At best you'll be middle class

again, My graph has a source, wheres your source?

I bet birth rates fired up like this because people are starving to death in those evil capitalist nations. Totally not living a comfortable live with stable jobs and a traditional family.

I actually just read Communist Manifesto. While Marx does make some fairly accurate historical observations there is one fundamental flaw that trashes any of the ideas in the pamphlet. The idea that only class matters and nothing else in the revolution is fucking retarded. Moses Hess, who was later ridiculed by Marx and Engels, correctly stated that it is RACE not class that matters.

How does communism solve the coordination problem?

>Have anyone found proof that people are leaching off the system? Because every study I read on the subject says that at least in the U.S, the fear of people abusing it, is preventing the use of it by people who need it.
without private ownership nobody was rewarded for working more and most were demoralized since they would all gain the same amount of goods no matter the effort theyve put in so after time people started leaching off because why work if u dont have to
that happend in yugoslavia

What's it like to rock a 300 dollar checking account?

Yeah, I hear this a lot. I'm yet to see any data the supports that idea. If race where the issue, then you would expect to see in countries that have lower amount of "niggers" lower crime rates. But you don't. Countries that have higher wealth inequities are countries that have higher crimes.

This is why I'm not a communist, but a socialist. I imagine it would be solved out of necessity as it is the mother of all invention

Are you a trotskyist, stalinist, maoist, anarchist etc?

>Socialism as a philosophy has evolved. Right now the current definition means that that the government should provide for a few basics and reign in the ruling classes so they aren't irresponsible withe their money (and they are extremely irresponsible here in the US right now)

Fuck off revisionist, take your reformism with you and go straight to the gulag with it.

Those graphs are from my university's economy class.

Download: mediafire.com/download/qrfoq7ueyf4rfm2/Notas_de_aula_1.pdf

You should probably translate this to English with Google Translator and educate yourself as well.

he's reformist trash.

>1264 vs 1999
Technology and machines can be capital but they are not inherently Capitalist.

You are switching the thesis, I asked to explain how Capitalism is becoming better, instead you show pictures implying but not demonstrating that "life" is becoming better. It's not the same statement and the supposed evolution of Capitalism is not the only factor at work at "improving life". Demonstrate Capitalism itself improving.

Free marketeers actually typically claim it's degenerating from its pure state with no state intervention, so yours is the unorthodox claim.

why did you post a communist pic if you're socialist?

>if you ever get annoyed look at me I'm self employed

reference please?

I assure you, working in IT, I make more than you do. I live cheaply. so I rock a 6 figure account.

I never cared for any of the eastern thoughts on Communism. It focuses to much on a prescribed planed based on some from of a concentrated power.

your english is pretty good.

Ill let this guy make My point because hes doing a rather good job

What's wrong with reformism? Social democratic states vastly outperformed their Marxist-Leninist rivals.

I think its silly, and its a good joke

suuuure

"The goal of socialism is communism" karl marx

>1264 vs 1999 :DDD
That's not the point. Do I even have to interpret the graphic for you commie?

The point is to notice when the real wages start rocketing up. It is at the same time capitalism and the industrial revolution start rocking Europe.

>Technology and machines are not inherently Capitalist
Which is why when Berlin's wall fell apart, East Berlin was much more developed than West Berlin, right?

>I asked to explain how Capitalism is becoming better, instead you are showing that life is becoming better
Real wage is pretty much how much you can buy with the money you have. Example: Assume my real wage is 200 and I can buy 10 cans of food with it. If my real wage is 400 then I can buy 20, regardless of what my apparent wage (the wage in form of currency) shows. This means that real wage is an accurate way of showing how much wealth someone gains for their work. The graphs show that as capitalism advanced, people started earning more and more wealth for each hour of work. If this doesn't show that capitalism got better and more friendly with the worker then I don't know what will show that.

>Free marketeers actually claim that (...)
That's room for a whole new debate. And a commie trying to debate on how capitalism should work (free market or not) like is the same as an Atheist trying to debate on how Christians should interpret the Bible. Try reading Keynes at least.

East/West Germany*