Occupy Avengers

>Super heroes -- they're a privileged class. Doing what they want, when they want and suffering no consequences. They have no regard for the ordinary people who are left behind to suffer in their wake. Who will stand up for the little guy?

I actually find this kind of insulting. This writer is basically calling every hero in the MU a selfish asshole that doesn't care about normal people.
HEROES SAVE EVERYONE ALL THE DAMN TIME.
Who exactly are these "ordinary people who are left behind to suffer in their wake"?
Heroes risk their lives saving civilians, defeating bad guys and stopping threats that would hurt society. How is defeating the Red Skull and Kang the Conqueror not something that helps civilians? What exactly is Hawkeye and his band of hippies gonna do differently?

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>Who will stand up for the little guy?

Damage control

>We want the Green Arrow audience

The first part is true though

>Pretending Marvel heroes actually save the day
Haha fuck you, stop pretending your shitty cape celebrities actually give a fuck about civilians.

Yeah and they do it so the little guy didn't die 100000x over

This is trash

So Mr suffering no consequences is representing them?

Yes, Marvel heroes save the day and care about civilians. It's an objective fact.

Super Villains-- they're a privileged class. Doing what they want, when they want and suffering no consequences. They have no regard for the ordinary people who are left behind to suffer in their wake. Who will stand up for the little guy?

It should have been like this. Seriously, whats stopping the death penalty?

>Is that Luke Cage or a black dude wearing an orange T-shirt?
>You'll never know

So do firefighters and cops but they at least show up to court before telling us to fuck off

But it's true. there are no heroes left in Marvel.
Thanks Quesada.

Yeah call me next time officer Scott saves reality from Doctor Doom

>>Super heroes -- they're a privileged class

It must be hard finding a reason to save people. I sure as fuck can't see one.

This guy gets it.

I feel like Hawkeye isn't the best choice foe this after just getting off for murdering the Hulk.

"Yeah, but what have they done for me lately" the thread. I have no doubt in my mind that you're all utterly ungrateful and entitled in your day-to-day lives.

Fuck.

> Kindly man taking money from the bank he needs for his mums surgery
> Suddenly a dastardly do gooder shows up and starts assaulting the man
> The man now forced in a corner has to defend himself instead of just taking the money and leaving
> EXPLOSIONS EVERYWHERE
> The entire city block is in ruins, "bad guy" is defeated, and the " Hero" returns the 5000$ the man's grandma desperately needed to the greedy bank
> 27m dollars in damages to the block and any damages to the bank will be taken out of costumer fees which will be hiked up 700% of the actual repairs and never be reduced after the fix

Thanks hero

>implying Marvel cares about continuity

They might mention it but it will be a panel or a page at most before thrown away for more 'deep' social commentary from 'great' writers.

Last time I checked, reality wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the infinite wisdom and kindness that is Lord Doom

In the right hands, this could be an interesting book. I mean, most comics just treat civilians as a statistic rather than real people, so a book focused around them could be interesting.

That said, it's Marvel trying to cozy up to the Occupy crowd, which has mostly dispersed since Wall Street, so it's gonna be shit.

Worst part is that since heroes save people every single day, the "what have they done for me lately" can be answered with "I stopped Hydra from blowing up Washinton just this morning".

That's what happens when you're terrorist like X-Men or dumb scientist like Fantastic Four. That doesn't happen with government officials like Avengers.

Should be interesting how they treat Hawkeye with the fact that he's like the asshole cop who shoots first and asks questions later. Literally murdered a defenseless, unarmed man in cold blood. Nothing about that killing was a mercy kill no matter the asspull Bendis created with Banner's confession video.

I mean, I know Banner was no angel but still...

>Super heroes -- they're a privileged class. Doing what they want, when they want and suffering no consequences.
Well yes, they have transcended death even. You really can't expect un-aging, deathless beings with access to infinite energy at their fingertips to pay more than lip-service to normie's existance.

Especially since the normies are basically a hivemind.

Coldheart, plz.

Aw ickle diddums, are you butthurt because Cap didn't pay for your liberal arts degree? Awwww shnookums, why don't you go back to Wall Street with your bongos and make a REAL DIFFERENCE again.

They just do a real shitty job at it.

Marvel civilians are ungratefull assholes

Super 'eroes -- they're a privileged class. Doin' waaat they want, whaen they want an' sufferin' naw consequences. They 'av naw regard for de ordinary people who are lef behind ter suffer in their wake. Who 'ill stan' up for de wee guy?

Edit of the first strip with a little Hawkeye shooting a bow when?

Letting him have a card is like saying magneto can change

But he's right, OP.

>Marvel
>superheroes

This desu. Makes me cringe.

>Six-Pack and Dogwelder #1 coming out tomorrow
FEELS GRAN', PADDY

Ennis is writing about a piss take on superheroes tackling some social issues as well.
Racism is bad and superheroes are the answer. Aids is okay as well.

Six-pack and dogwelder are the progressive heroes we need.

>>Caring this much
The book is going to be canceled by issue 6. It's their fault for making a team book yet hide all the members who aren't Hawkeye and Red Wolf. I bet you the 3rd issue will be below 20,000

Of fuck off. Whoever is writing this has no idea bout the Marvel Universe as a whole. Superheroes, before Siege were SHAT on. Constantly. Spidey was regarded as a menace, Iron Man was more often then not was defying the government, in Johns Avengers run, Thor and the Asgardians had issues with the people of earth, leading to a fantastic conflict between him and Stark. That's not even going into how much the X-Men were loathed by the public.

Seriously, whoever wrote this, have some goddamn clue what you are talking about. Marvel's heroes are not the 'superheroes' who are in Ennis' books. They are good people for the most part who try and do the right thing. As for not looking at for the little guy, Tony accidentally blew his secret identity when he save a fucking dog.

The big problem and the source of problems for the 'little guy' is the actual civvies in the MU. You know.... The ones who blame all the heroes in the world for the Stamford incident, forgetting that it was not the Avengers who got involved, the ones who do not appreciate the heroes for even a second, as pic related shows. The ones who literally cheer when the Green fucking Goblin becomes the most powerful man in the world. I think there is a clip where Luke Cage and Iron Fist save some people who immediately begin to blame them for the event, despite the fact it had nothing to do with them.

Seriously, whoever wrote this is a moron and this book is going to crash and burn, like it should.

Being Hawguy is suffering.

You do realize that SHIELD actually also does do whatever they want and suffer no consequences and with no regard for ordinary people, right?

Don't forget Bueno Excellent, who's a sex-positive fat trans POC representative.

This


What's this book even going to be about? Hawkeye making protest signs and leading protests at superteam HQs?

Thank you. And of course, the X-Men are the most shat on of all.
Marvel heroes don't do what they do out of a desire for fame, money, power or glory. They do it out of pure altruism and care for their fellow man, because they want to help others and make the world a better place.

>This writer is basically calling every hero in the MU a selfish asshole that doesn't care about normal people.
yeah
>HEROES SAVE EVERYONE ALL THE DAMN TIME.
actually not quite true
if you look at the comics lately, more often than not they're dealing with personal problems, not problems that are affecting others
you have some exceptions, like black not-captain america
but peter parkers time right now is spent defending his company from corporate raiders
the inhumans are protecting themselves against other inhumans
that kind of stuff

There are literally no white men on that cover barring Clint.

The X-Foundation used to do nothing but help these situations

These people would take up signs and bash them over the heads with bricks for it

Fuck Marvel citizens, for real

I always knew that letting Nig Fury and Doña María Hill in was a mistake.

This is just the Superhuman Registration Act from a bottom up perspective instead of a top down perspective. And I can kinda see where they're coming from... at least to a point. Street level superheroes aren't always great about making sure people are okay, and occasionally use more force than is strictly necessary. That's also true of real life police, but that's another thread (#spandexlivesmatter).

However, lumping everyone together is fucking stupid. Spider-Man regularly lets bad guys get away so he can rush civvies to the emergency room. And when you talk about global catastrophe level threats like Thanos or Galactus or Kang... well the Avengers still do better than most real life military but yeah: it's the fucking apocalypse, there are going to be casualties. That sucks, but that's the game.

>but peter parkers time right now is spent defending his company from corporate raiders
The latest issue has him saving all the employees at a Parker Industries factory that suffered a chemical explosion. He payed for the super-expensive organ transplants of one of them out of his own pocket.

Duh. White men aren't oppressed.

>suffering no consequences.
You want to know who suffers no consequences in 616? The faceless masses who can act unflinchingly racist towards mutants, demand the superhero community fold to the whim of corrupt and compromised policies through registration and STILL have the capacity to put psychotics like Osborn into a position of power over the superhero community when it all turns on them. Meta-wise to rattle the readership, but these days I'm hard pressed not to believe it perfectly reflects the sort of person the average power envying, ego tripping citizen in 616 relates to.

>Oh, you can climb walls and shit? You feeling real special huh? How about we fuck with your friends and family, yeah, how you like that? That's what you get for trying to help this city, you masked menace bitch.

You know, some of that real honest folk shit.

Man. FUCK each of these clowns.

The status quo undoes consequences, sure, but at least the superhero community has to pretend to reflect on their actions and behavior. When their torches burn out the little people just put down their pitchforks and go on about their lives like nothing happened.

I detest how things like World War Hulk get swept under the rug, believe me I do, but I detest even more how the local lynch mobs who have pointlessly provoked and plagued known, volatile super powered individuals have rarely been held accountable, legally or otherwise, for their behavior like the compensation for a lack of super powers is getting a free pass to transform into a straight animal and do any old shit like this is Beast Wars.
And you just know one of these "little guys" is a HYDRA plant scheduled to play cards with the guys Friday evening then enslave the world first thing Monday.

But it's the colorfully costumed people fighting monsters you need to worry about.

Ain't this some shit.
Occupy these balls.

So how do people like the armed forces or police react to things like this?

Isn't this kind of just a big shit on them when it boils down to it? I thought we already had that in Civil War with Carol profiling people using psychic foresight allegories.

Like 90% of their job consists of blowing up secret island bases and giant space ships.

People where happy that he killed the Hulk. Remember the average marvel citizen is an asshole.

>there was a time when capes used to be simpler and more fun

I hate you both for posting that cunt.

>comicbookresources.com/article/exclusive-walker-explains-occupy-avengers-real-world-ties-reveals-first-team-member

>David Walker: This is a post-"Civil War II" book. Most people at this point know what Clint Barton did in that event, in terms of the fate of Bruce Banner and the Hulk. This book takes place after all of that, and Clint is in this sort of weird existential malaise. Within the hero community, he's seen as someone who's betrayed the cause, and with everyday people, he's like the ultimate hero. He's David who slew Goliath.

>He's not only trying to atone for what he's done and make sense of it, he's also out there trying to make sense of where he fits in. In the process he keeps running into everyday people who have real-life problems -- the sort of problems that the Avengers don't normally get involved with. He begins to form a team that's tackling what we'd call, for lack of a better term, everyday issues.

>I use that term hesitantly because sometimes everyday issues are critical life-and-death issues. You live in Michigan, and I was just reading about the court decision in the Flint water fiasco. That should not be an everyday issue. Those are the sorts of things that Hawkeye -- or Clint Barton, I should say, because he's really more Clint than Hawkeye at this point -- finds himself getting caught up in. He's representing and protecting the underdog. Or, for lack of a better term, that 99 percentile that is sort of synonymous with the Occupy movement; the people who are often trod upon, can't protect themselves, and don't feel like they're being protected because of things like corporate interests or political corruption.

Still not sure what exactly it is he's gonna do

This is why I really want a procedural superhero comic or tv show, deal with everything from getting the warrant to the court case.
Back in the day they were good people who were trying to deal with all the craziness of living in a world of superheroes by having their director carry out every mission in person.

So another Hawkeye does nothing book?

>I really want a procedural superhero comic or tv show, deal with everything from getting the warrant to the court case.
You're welcome.

Gotham Central was sort of like that, although it was pretty unrealistic with a Hollywood understanding of the law.

>that time dog guy says he's attracted to female dogs so he can keep looking at nude women

>Being Hawguy is suffering.
You don't say?

No one paid for World War Hulk.
Same for all the other situations where heroes actions end up in total disaster.

>b-b-ut they save the planet sometime!!

Because they mostly live there too.

>>I imagine another large part of the appeal of "Occupy Avengers" is the fact that the team is traveling the country, since it allows you a lot of freedom to develop other parts of the U.S. and villains that can be found there.

>Yes, that gives us the opportunity to have both established villains in some capacity and the sort of Boss Hogs of the the world, [Laughs] to refer back to the "Dukes of Hazzard." When you watched TV shows like "The Fugitive," "Have Gun -- Will Travel" or "The A-Team," it was like there was always this little town somewhere in Iowa or something and the evil boss who runs the factory. I always go back to the character of Curley in "Of Mice and Men." He was the son of the guy who owned the farm that George and Lenny show up at, and he's sort of the bully. So there's going to be a lot of "Of Mice and Men" moments. [Laughs] Clint Barton and his ragtag team will show up and protect the rights of the workers or the local population from whatever scourge that is threatening them.

>I also like the idea of in the Marvel Universe you have characters like the Kingpin, the Hood or several other New York crime lords, but who is the kingpin of Des Moines, Iowa? And what is he or she doing there that will lead the Occupy Avengers to try and clean up that town? It's pretty fun to think about that sort of stuff.

They're gonna fight against Boss Hog apparently

Did he actually have a point on the next page, or does he just curl up into the fetal position and cry?

>discussing bullying while the city burns around them

I still can't believe this wasn't a parody. Artist must have been taking the piss.

What a rogue.

Did we create her?

>When you watched TV shows like "The Fugitive," "Have Gun -- Will Travel" or "The A-Team,"
I thought this book was for all those hipster kiddies who were born in the 90s?

Came here to post this.
But we cant have continuity now, can we?

God, this is stupid

They'll show up same month their TV show starts airing.

It's a stupid way to phrase it but I'm all for superheroes being anywhere but New York.

Having fuckload of Initiative teams and using them as wallpaper was war crime.

Except it's just Hawkeye and possibly some Z-level "supers" fighting racists and Walmart in shitty little country towns.

Have you ever been to country towns? They're tiny and boring as fuck.

Why do you guys care?

This shit will die before 12 issues and swept under the rug.

Why is Marvel taking it's inspiration for comics from Twitter and dumblr?

Why does EVERYTHING have to be some kind of social/political statement baśed on real world?

what comic is this?

Damage Control showed up in the first issue of Civil War II: Choosing Sides.
Trull the Unhuman, a Silver Age sentient alien steam shovel, is now their employee and mascot. It was a fun story.

>So there's going to be a lot of "Of Mice and Men" moments. [Laughs]
>Clint Barton and his ragtag team will show up and protect the rights of the workers or the local population from whatever scourge that is threatening them.
By allowing a witless simpleton to kill someone's wife, fleeing the location and putting down one of their own?
Those sort of moments?

Sums up the MU properly, they're a bunch of assholes, heroes, villains and civilians alike.

Bendis actually did a little bit of that in Daredevil.
One of the things I liked is that Doctor Strange is recognized as an expert on magic, so they can call him into court cases as such.

>Doing what they want, when they want and suffering
AHSHAHAHAHAHAY

WAIT YOU'RE SERIOUS?

PFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

WAIT WAIT SOMEBODY HELP ME LAUGH AT THIS

Remember the time they gave Nitro MGH so he could destroy more buildings, meaning they could make more money doing repairs?
Fuck Damage Control.

DC is plenty that.

Everything in Rebirth keeps to it's own in universe shit.

>fun story
Was it? I tried to read it but the first page bothered me and I stopped

It's just a black dude, no need to be racist.
Now, if he were wearing YELLOW...

He's a national hero he assassinated a monster libcuck

This post is ironic

How exactly does fighting Boss Hog help more people than fighting Kang, Red Skull, Attuma, Ultron, Hydra, the Hand or whatever?
More importantly, Boss Hog isn't a bad guy you can just punch since he's the kind of guy that the courts and cops can't touch. So superheroes can't actually do anything about it unless they become murderous vigilantes, which would contradict the whole "heroes do what they want with no consequences" things.

And? BLM celebrates Cop Killers.

>Superior Tony the only one with sense to recognize priority.
No goddamn hope.

I'd accept this. To the average marvel civilian, the Hulk is the living embodiment of a hero who leaves people in his destructive wake, but keeps getting forgiven because of Avengers privileges.

>Occupy these balls.
Occupy these nuts rolls off the tongue better

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>How exactly does fighting Boss Hog help more people than fighting Kang, Red Skull, Attuma, Ultron, Hydra, the Hand or whatever?

It doesn't, and nobody's saying that we should just let the bigbads do whatever they want. But it feels like about 10% of the human population in marvel has either superpowers or some skill at a "costumed adventurer" level, so like the man said, "Is it too much to ask for both?"

>Boss Hog isn't a bad guy you can just punch since he's the kind of guy that the courts and cops can't touch. So superheroes can't actually do anything about it unless they become murderous vigilantes, which would contradict the whole "heroes do what they want with no consequences" things.

There's ways to fight guys like that, even with punching. You gather evidence of corruption, or prevent his heavies from threatening a candidate who's pushing reforms, that sort of thing. Those are the kind of stories we've been reading about Kingpin and Lex Luthor for yonks. Nobody's suggesting you just web Boss Hog to a street light and call it a day.

Although I kinda hope the first arc is about trying that and discovering that it doesn't work.

They're right though. As much as the "heroes" have solved problems, they often 1. get into big stupid, destructive fights with each other over selfish things, as just happened recently, and 2. Attract super-villain activity to heavily populated areas by acting as a lightning rod with their big, prominent hero bases like Avengers Tower, and the Baxter Building.

These people barely ever get seriously punished when they do something generally agreed to be illegal, and even death doesn't seem to stick to them when it finds them.