So has enough time passed where we can all admit that no one has any idea what the fuck is going on in this comic?

So has enough time passed where we can all admit that no one has any idea what the fuck is going on in this comic?

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You mean you still have no idea what the fuck is going on in the comic.

I actually meant you but I was trying to spare you the embarrassment.

3DEEP5YOU?

You're embarrased that you don't understand it?

What's going on is that DC was backpeddling from yet another poor editorial decision.
>lets have batman kill darkseid with a gun while he simultaneously kills batman that will sell some comics
>shitstorm
>don't worry, he's coming back from death in the most convoluted and ridiculous way possible

>Literally the issue after his "death" he's already back in time.

If you read Seven Soldiers it was clear from the start that Batman was Omega'd and sent back in time.

How do you figure?

It was foreshadowed heavily

It's pretty simple user. Bruce is being flung through time as a result of the omega sanction, which is also pursuing him in the form of the demonic bat. Whenever he remembers something about the future he leaves clues for himself and in doing so inadventantly causes a lot of the "bat" superstition that surrounds Gotham's past.

That doesn't explain the Vanishing Point or the ending tho

The ending coincides with Grant's final arc in Batman and Robin.

>>shitstorm

Fucking casual, you clearly werent reading comics back then;

BATMAN DIED around the same time Obama was elected president, no one was paying atention to comics that moment and he was back the very next issue.

Kinda yes and kinda no, he did die, it's not just time travel, is more like Videogame Respawn.

Return of Bruce Wayne is an amazing about the Batman archtype

>That doesn't explain the Vanishing Point or the ending tho
How it doesnt?

The vanishing point is a pre-existing thing in DC. They even explain it in the comic, it's a point at the absolute end of the universe, far in the future, where all data about existence is catalogued. Bruce allows one of the robots that works there to merge with him, giving him complete awareness of the past (presumably temporarily) and uses the new knowledge (and it's been a while but I'm pretty sure he was about to die before he merged with the robot) to go back to the present luring the hyperadaptor (darkseid's monster) into the middle of jla headquarters where it proceeds to get the shit kicked out of it.

Basically the vanishing point is where Bruce is able to get a clear head and put all the pieces together

"How do you figure"?

The ending of Final Crisis showed Bruce was alive.

>y'see it wasn't really batman, it was an insane clone created by darkseid. that's why he uncharacteristically used a gun
>y'see it was the clone that was killed, bruce wayne actually was sent back in time even though it was a clone that was blasted with the omega beams

Morrison is a fucking hack.

I don't know what's going on and these explanations are making me stupider. Wow, how does DC do that!

What does that have to do with Seven Soldiers?

How is he a hack?

That's not what happened but okay.

>that's why he uncharacteristically used a gun

That wasn't the clone

> "nah, it was a clone the whole time."

Pretty hacky 2bqh fammy.

I'm sorry you have poor reading skills

You didn't understand these comics

Gotta admit. I still don't understand them for the most part and I've gotta 'em all and love 'em all.

Enlighten me, what happened to Bruce after Darkseid's clone (yes he was a clone, don't make me post links) took his place? Why did Bruce get sent back in time if it was clone that Omega'd?

>*his clone that was omega'd.

Just correcting my shitty sentence.

Darkseid's clone took his place AFTER he was Omegaed.

It was all the real Batman and then when the real Batman was sent back in time the failed clone was used to account for the lack of body.

You're reading WAY too much into the clone thing, Morrison just used that to cover his ass because they wanted a scene of Superman holding Batman's dead body at the end of FC and he had no actual interest in killing him

Batman was in the prehistoric past.

Yeah, after reading this thread, looks like I'm gonna be skipping the Morrison "Bat-Epic". This all sounds ridiculous even by Silver Age standards.

If "Batman gets sent back in time by Darkseid" is too much for you comics might not be for you user.

I read this recently and I have to admit that it was really densely written and nobody should feel ashamed for feeling it was difficult to follow at times.

Then again I haven't read final crisis or anything else that ties into this story.

>it was all the real batman

[citation needed]

Bruce put his memories into Darkseid's clones and killed all but one. Then Bruce disappeared and his freed clone shows up and shoots Darkseid.

>I read this recently and I have to admit that it was really densely written and nobody should feel ashamed for feeling it was difficult to follow at times.

Yes they should feel ashamed.
If you are an adult and you have problems reading CAPE comics. It means you need to read more books and less comics.

So let me get this right.
The Omega Sanction spreads a person throughout time, where they live out their lives as the person they were, and then are reborn over and over again?

Why does Darkseid do this to people?
Why not just kill them?

Because they didn't know what the Omega beams did until they had to backpeddle on the killing Batman decision.

So all the mooks we've seen killed by Darkseid's eye lasers are doing their own immortal Batman thing?

It's the death that is life.

Read Seven Soldiers. And Kirby's Forever People to a lesser extent.

Yeah, pretty much.

Just more feul for the "Morrison's a hack" fire.

Why doesn't Darkseid Omega himself so he can rule all of time?

When Mr. Miracle got lifetrapped he got tossed around the timeline
Not to the extent of Batman but still

Come on now. Take the predisposition about capes out of it, and you have to admit that you didn't fully understand what was going on, in issue 2 in particular, especially if you're someone like me who never read Final Crisis or any other related tie-ins before picking this up.

Just posting this to read it but it may help

They didn't explain at all what it did to people until Batman got blasted with one. It was just a really powerful eye laser attack that homed in and annihilated people.

>I don't read comics but I'll call Morrison a hack to pretend I do

Read Kirby's Forever People you disgusting casuals

Read Kirby you dolt

If Darkseid's eyebeams are actual temporal displacement thingamajigs, who come they don't work on Superman?

the dead clone body was found by Superman, but Bruce was already blasted into the past before Supes came back from his adventure

>Morrison defense force out with a fury

Citation equally needed that it was a clone
This is literally "MUH HEADCANON CONTRADICTS WHAT THE STORY SAYS SO THEY'RE HACKS"

Those say nothing about the Omega beams sending people through time. You have no point to prove, junior.

Is this expert b8?

[citation needed]

Jesus christ this is casual
Not only did Kirby create this concept but Morrison explained his version in detail 2 years before he even wrote Final Crisis.

>When Mr. Miracle got lifetrapped he got tossed around the timeline

When was this shown?

No, it's buzzword posting.

I like the idea of heroes in different times. It's fun.

Batman got hit with the Omega Sanction. One of the Seven Soldiers minis was literally about Mr. Miracle, the same Mr. Miracle present in Final Crisis, escaping it after being attacked by Boss Darkside. Final Crisis was always meant as a follow-up to the themes and storylines Morrison started with Seven Soldiers and a number of his other works.

Post-52 is like Kingdom Heart's storyline. It's incredibly convoluted and barely explained. People think they need to unravel it... but once they "get" it, they just realize it's shit.

In Seven Soldiers, when he keeps seeing his brother's death over and over, then becomes an old paraplegic who needs diapers
Shilo, not Scott

>I don't read comics and am doubling down on pretending

Sup Forums poster spotted.

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It's common knowledge to the people outside of Sup Forums. If you want me to start digging up pages, I will.

Does the name Sonny Sumo ring a bell

Jesus, guys. lol

Okay smartguys, show me where Kirby said that the beams send people to the beginning of time.

I'll wait.

Did you read that thread?

The Batman that got Omega'd was Bruce. The Batman that Superman showed at the end of the issue was a clone

>Linking a literal batwank thread that they all just say "lol clone" without presenting any evidence (in fact the only people presenting evidence are anti-clone) to preserve their headcanon that Batman would never ever use a gun

Not necessarily the beginning of time, but Sonny Sumo was sent back to Feudal Japan.

Okay, so when he doesn't use it to wipe people from existence he can use it to send people back in time. Where's the "reborn again and again" thing come into play?

I dislike Morrison, but not because of this or
this

I dislike that he has no ability on writing dialog. Every character sounds like Grant Morrison doing supermetaphysicalscience exposition.

In Final Crisis every dialog is unnatural as fuck.

not enough speed force imo

>I dislike that he has no ability on writing dialog.

What's so bad about his dialogue?

Okay, so it can't be proven either way further convoluting an already convoluted clusterfuck of a story.

Hallmark of a genius writer for sure.

i never noticed the bat symbol in the background before.

Well meme'd, OP

Too cryptic for his stupid ass.
3deep5u m8 :^)

Being upset about him shooting Darkseid is fucking stupid anyway, he's not shooting the Joker. He's stopping a fucking reality-conquering God that is destroying the earth. Do people really think Bruce would be like "No, I can't do this, it's wrong to kill Darkseid" or even worse "I accept that Darkseid has to die but I can't bring myself to use a gun"

They literally have him say this in the comic, that Darkseid is an exception, and the reason should be clear to everyone but people are morons.

Not OP, friend-o.

He used a father box for that

They tell you that point blank

But if he starts will Darkseid, how will stop himself from killing other gods he comes across?

There's an entire issue of Morrison's Batman run that proves it was a clone Superman found.
They drop the corpse in a Lazurus pit and it acts like one of the insane clones when ressurected.
The Omega Effect does not leave a corpse
You are retarded, and call the story convoluted because you A) did not actually read and just read the wikpedia or B) are actually too retarded to get it

Batman was born with a gun, so Batman must with by a gun.

Beyond did the same thing.

Full circle.

>Too cryptic for his stupid ass.

You're saying you can't understand it?

Sure thing, mobileposting OP

It's also important to remember that BATMAN DIDN'T KILL DARKSEID

He removed Darkseid from Turpin's body. Flash and Superman actually killed him.

This thread is full of dick measuring about whether they understood it or not.

I'll be honest.
I did not.

Can someone walk me through it?

He shot with intent to kill though, it's essentially the same thing
not like the delirious weakened Batman knew exactly what would happen

Darkseid can do whatever he wants with his beams but he infuses Batman with Omega energy and wipes him memory and sends him back in time knowing that Batman will stop at nothing to get home because he's Batman. The Omega energy in Batman builds in power every time Batman leaps through time and when he gets back to the present it will be powerful enough to destroy time. I think the Hyper Adapter is what causes the time leaps and it also stores Darkseid in Batman's consciousness so he can take over when Batman reaches present day.

so is this thread proof that people who don't like Morrison's comics don't understand them?

Why won't I understand it faggot? I'm not the one complaining about it.

People who meme that he's a full blown hack likely don't even read them mate. They read the wikipedia and then go "THIS SOUND--I mean *IS* FUCKING RETARDED" most people who don't like him just say "not for me"

Samefag?

Does it trigger anyone else that the Pirate Batman cover is blatant false advertising? Particularly next to the other covers that are pretty much just excerpts from their interiors.

How much of an idiot are you?

...

That's a preposterous assertion. It hinges on the presumption that all cape comics are written clearly and without error, which is hilariously untrue.

Morrison's "quality" writing

>darkseid: oh shit, i just blasted batman into the past and superman's on his way here... go get one of those conveniently created clone skeletons and put a batman suit on him. superman'll never know

Definitely NOT a hack.

>Morrison is a fucking hack.
>Pretty hacky 2bqh fammy
>Hallmark of a genius writer for sure.
>Just more feul for the "Morrison's a hack" fire.

Hacky buzzword-level criticsm desu

It's not just buzzwords desu. There's examples of his hackiness in there too.