Why has this piece of land been war torn since time immemorial?

why has this piece of land been war torn since time immemorial?

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was it just as bad before Islam?

most places have been wartorn for most of history

Islam

yes

Semites, arabs and joos.

Sometimes I fantasize about how amazing and exotic it would be if Islam never came to be and the Near East was left alone. I imagine it'd be exotic and mysterious just like the romantasized version of it was depicted long ago

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you would think a thornberry can read english

It was once known as the fertile crescent. However since it is filled with inferior humans they have fucked the land away with too many goats.

Gulf Arabs and Turkic people are predominantly to blame.

and Mongols

just look at the shape of the land of the map

three continents connect here, africa, europe, and asia

you have access to the pacific ocean, the black sea, and the mediterrian ocean, which also leads to atlantic ocean


the middle east literally is and has been the crossroads of world trade since before civilization even existed


the warring religions that have grown up there are products of the contentious situation

>Too much sun, not enough water, too much inbreeding, too many camels

violence is the only escape

Arabs and Jews are semites

It was not war torn between 700-1850. Except Ghengis Khan, the Crusades and Napoleon. Apart from that it was peaceful.

Religion: catholicism, judaism and islam were founded there so everyone always tried to have control of the 'holy land'

...

>religion of peace
we did our best lads

BEADY

It was war torn since the beginning of time, before abrahamitic religions were invented.

Look at where it is on a fucking map.

It is where the 4 corners of Europe, Russia, Africa and China all converge.

It is literally the center of the fucking world.

Of course people are going to kill each other to control it.

It's also been the most fertile land and the birthplace of civilizations.

It's also full of oil.

It is also home to holy sites for the largest religions in the world.

It also controls access between the east and west hemispheres of the world's trade.

Seriously what a moronic question.

No, the byzzies were pretty cool

But why male models?

The geography.

>connects 3 continents
>sea access to 3 oceans and more
>two massive rivers running through the center to facilitate trade and the development of civilization

War was going to happen constantly even if Islam didn't fuck it up.

>An American not knowing basic history
God I hate my fellow countrymen sometimes taking kike propaganda full suppository with glee
Everywhere has always been a "war torn shithole" you dumb cunt and by body count Europe is at the top.
This 70 year relative peace is the first in European history for well over a thousand years.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe

>of course people are going to kill eachother just because it's close

them why aren't the same things happening between canada america and mexico? china and russia?

War torn is a relative term

It certainly had it's share of conflicts

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_the_Near_East

>everywhere has been a war torn shit hole


europe =/= everywhere

Because rightful British clay was taken away by greedy USJEWS.

Because history basically started there so it has the longest history of war

Because we became a significantly stronger power after fighting several wars with both which lead to submission.
That being said the CIA has lead serval dozen conflicts in central America.

China and Russia in modern history have been allies and before that didn't have much significant contact due to all of the major Russian population centers being in Europe with no real easy means to go through Siberia and into China.
The Chinese Japanese and various other east Asian nations certainly warred against each other

>europe =/= everywhere
I'm giving you one example you dense fuck

North America is the exception to world history in having only 1-2 major conflicts each century and none the last century due to geography and having to fight across two major oceans.

Anything in red is the problem.

>King George III and Parliament
>Not thrall's to the east India company kikes

This and the Euphrates and Tigris rivers made it a great place to farm and live just lile the Nile in Egypt.

This. That area holds some of the richest/oldest history and imprints of civilization. It is the area of Creation in abrahamic religions. It is the Source.

People fight over such things.

The only time there was peace in ME was under ottoman rule you stupid nignog. Not that I expect an amerifat to know history, just saying

>jews
>Arabs
>turks
>persians
>niggers

all have to share a desert together

>jews
>white trash
>nignogs
>spics

You all share a continent and you're doing so well. What gives mr %60?

why don't you take a look

youtube.com/watch?v=dWYNNSzpSdQ

Byzantine was Greco-Roman though. So doesn't count as middle eastern civ

That, and you were mostly full of Native Americans who didn't exactly record their history.

Nope, Islam fucked it up. It used to be 'the cradle of civilisation', so called because so many of the world's earliest civilisations and society's began there (see assarya, mesopotamia, Akkadia etc.)

>fighting leads to submission despite their being natural resources up for grabs

but you just said that's why the fighting won't stop in the fertile crescent? make up your mind here

>china and russia are mostly allies despite siberia literally being a treasure trove of natural resources

does not compute. they are close by so why aren't they fighting

>taken away
kek
Once the arabs went apeshit in 1936 you pansies just searched for the first excuse you could get to get the fuck away immediately without having the world laugh at you, because you thought trying to pocket the area after the ottoman empire collapsed was a good idea.

Basically, Israel came to be when it did because Brits were too incompetent to handle the kebabs.

>just one example

you mean the only example? america, brasíl, mexico, canada, australia, etc,. are not """""war torn""""

They were righting non-stop even before that. Also Mesopotamia is a geographical region not a nation or empire. Heck the wars helped advance civilization.

>and you were mostly full of Native Americans who didn't exactly record their history
East of the Mississippi was quite violent with warring tribes
plainshumanities.unl.edu/encyclopedia/doc/egp.war.023

That being said west of the Mississippi the tribes had fairly sophisticated forms of government which the founders used heavily in the creation of America specifically the articles of confederation and were relatively peaceful in comparison.

Safavids kicked the asses of stupid Ottoman faggots who got the entirety of their culture from the Persians. Shut up, T*rk. I am true Aryan.

the whole reason why a bunch of Arab sheepherders were able to defeat Eastern Roman Empire and the Sassanid Empire was because those two had been fighting a quite expensive and bloody war over the previous 4 decades or so.
Around 630s, both empires were so devastated that a small army of Arabs striking from the desert wastelands was able to win many decisive battles.

Keep in mind that during it zenith, Roman Empire united had to keep a large portion of its troops on the eastern frontier, the European borders required maybe 100-200k troops, whereas a relatively shorter front in Middle East required usually twice that many troops.

and before Romans it was a mess also, last Diadochi butchering each other over the remnants of Alexanders conquests, and before that were Persian conquests circa 600BC and before that there was 300 of Neo-Assaryian shenanigans and before that you get to Babylonian and Akkadian shitshows of killing each other

as soon as they started building cities ~10k years ago, they have been killing each other for one reason or another

The 'war torn land' since time immemorial argument is a meme. It was chill for hundreds of years. Then the West came, divided them up on the map and put israel where it doesnt belong.

First settled civilizations. All wars originate from Mesopotamia, they invented war as we know it.

It's almost got a foreboding, evil vibe to it, that place

>but you just said that's why the fighting won't stop in the fertile crescent? make up your mind here
You need some serious reading classes user
> does not compute. they are close by so why aren't they fighting
And geography lessons as well
Ffs just look at a period map. The vast vast vast vast majority of the Russian population is close to Europe and this is why Russia was in a multitude of wars in Europe.

This being said once technology made it possible Russia did wage a fairly bloody war which they lost against the Japanese.

Wow depressing stuff

Still better than this shit hole though

The only long lasting peace ME saw was during pax ottomana which lasted almost 400 years. Then arabs backstabbed ottomans because anglos promised them "muh independence". Look how arabs are doing now kek

russia is a meme. many caliphates came to the west before the west came

ANGLO

>does not compute. they are close by so why aren't they fighting

China and Russia haven't been sharing borders for that long, the first time they shared borders was in the 17th century. The first empire to connect them was the mongol one in the 13th century and even then it was the mongols who fought the chinese and not the russians. And before that you had the turks fighting against the chinese.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Russian_border_conflicts

Please look into the banana wars you ignorant fuckstick.
Btw Brazil has been involved is a couple major regional wars and around two dozen regional conflicts>anglos promised them "muh independence". Look how arabs are doing now kek
Ironically JFK was actually doing this and was adored by several secular Arab leaders
Well until he was conveniently executed and LBJ changed JFK's policies to be Entirely Israeli centric.
But that's just a coincidence goy

It hasn't. Only recently really.

Warfare has existed in man since we discovered that we could beat each other to death user.

They say FDR met with King Abdulaziz and promised him the Arabs wouldn't have to the up their land to the Jews. Literally days later before the UN summit he died.

There must be a huge nation to conquer all of these lands and bring peace and currently there is no huge nation.

Remember Mongol and Tatar invasion. After some decisive fights, they brought that peace. They even brought down the mighty assasins of Hasan-i Sabbah.

You guys have the largest army don't you?

Millennia of irrigation farming and irresponsible deforestation in such a low-rainfall region increased the soil salinity and decreased vegetation, making the land less fertile. That's one of the issues, not "inferior humans."

This, with one error. There's a region that eclipses Europe in body counts – China.

It is the best connection between population centeres in Europe and Asia

Typically it goes from war torn hellscape to unified and powerful. as long as these countries stay separate they will be shitholes.

Is the problem Islam or Arabs ?

That's not really war. I'm talking mobilized city states. That started with the Sumerians.

Well that has to do specifically with how shitty a system Socialism is than actual conflict which is what this particular discussion is about.

Arabs created Islam. What do you think?

Dude Europe was War torn much much worse for most of history
Heck the current conflict doesn't compare to what Europeans did to each other in either the world wars

>literal tinderbox of jews, muslims, christians and one thousand pagan tribes vying for supremacy
Gee I wonder what could go wrong?

It's not big enough. We're talking about an army at the size of 100 million soldiers here. All of these lands, literally should swarm with soldiers of a single nation to maintain security.

War only changes to the degree that human civilization becomes.
Tribal warfare was the Apex of warfare humans could achieve with their small numbers just as when the first actual civilizations waged war to the largest degree they had available.

Modern history with the rise of nuclear weapons has lead to the domination of proxy Warfare against non nuclear nations with the very rare direct invasion against what is basically an irrelevant shithole.
See the modern history of the ME and central/south America.

To further expand my point the reason that region of the world "discovered" warfare as you say is because it was wherr human civilization first really came to be due to the geographical nature and various other variables.

If civilization managed to come to be anywhere else that region would have "discovered" warfare

the curse of dead dinosaurs

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It hasn't. No more than and other piece of land. It's only been a problem since the Ottoman Empire ended and we found oil then put the Wahhabist house of Saud in control. Oh and things got much worse in 1948 due to Israel.

Because it's a nexus point between three fucking continents you imbecile.

EYES

>soon as they started building cities ~10k years ago, they have been killing each other for one reason or another
So has everybody else in the world. The Middle East is not special in that regard whatsoever. But it has been especially problematic for the last 100 years or so

its actually been entirely united a couple of times while europe has always been divided and constantly fighting

racism

Middle east isnt "wartorn" and the wars that have been going on there since before modern day are mild compared to the ones in Europe. Resources of the Middle East just finally became exhausted and thus the place turned into a desolate shithole.

never trust sand niggers

your reply literally explains nothing, i said china x russia not russia x euros. the natural resourses in russia are a hop skip and jump away from china

>500 year border
>not ejough time to fight

wew

>muh bananas

wtf makes you think a few co op missions is war torn?

i guess canada is war torn because the inuits fought against the british navy that one time

because Saudi Arabia and Israel are a bunch of cunts

>i said china x russia
Yeah I know and I attempted to give your dumb ass a geography lesson to explain why Russia hadn't waged war with China which clearly went over your head.
> the natural resourses in russia are a hop skip and jump away from china
China became close allies with Russia by time these raw materials actually became resources and up until then the Chinese were preoccupied with other regional conflicts.

God damn stop using your own stupidity and ignorance to draw this out and go do some basic reading on Wikipedia ffs

Islam, mainly. Since 400AD.

>wtf makes you think a few co op missions is war torn?
A few hundred thousand dead in less than half a century is not a "few coop missions"
> i guess canada is war torn because the inuits fought against the british navy that one time
Nigger did i not say that north America is tue one exception to the rule of never ending large scale warfare throughout the rest of the world?

>pacific ocean
>middle east

lrn2geography

It's in the middle

Right. I don't see how we disagree here.