Will the Dictatorship of CCP in China End in a Good Way?

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I hope so

what happens to chinese unemployed ppl? do the communist state give them money?

I think China has been trying to build a welfare state but isn't quite there yet.

>trying to build a welfare state
60 + years of communism and no welfare state? wtf?

>Author’s estimated rate
>1989-1990 only 3% unemployment

Literally just made up bullshit

Depends on the success of the silk road.
Pretty good I'd say, with TPP dead nothing will stop them from making client states out of developing world.

>Pretty good I'd say, with TPP dead nothing will stop them from making client states out of developing world.
They won't. In the end, nobody really likes China or wants to be their ally, they're overall one of the least liked and trusted countries in the world and lack any kind of marketable ideology anyone wants.

no, our (china's) history always ends with a centralized power overthrown and china balkanizing, before being reunified by a new sovereign. thus it has always been

I don't think so, not in the near future. It's a much more stable system than Western liberal capitalism.

>unemployed people

civil war dude

Are there any true western liberal democracies in Asia?

South Korea seems closest but I'm not super informed on them. Japan seems like a de facto one party state.

>It's a much more stable system than Western liberal capitalism

And yet, you choose instead to make your home in a Western liberal country, Xiang.

>what happens to chinese unemployed ppl?
they create an alibaba account and start scamming dumb laowai across the world.

No, because contrary to the other Asian tigers like Korea and Taiwan where a rising middle class demanded more and more civic freedoms and political say with rising wealth the Chinese urban elite is the biggest supporter of the regime. China is more like Thailand in this regard.

China still has a very large rural population within the country that is kept in check thanks to the Hukou system and the wealthy Chinese coastal elite will never accept a democratic system that will cause its abolishment.

If a Chinese civil war doesn't occur, no matter what the result will be, I think that Chinese lives will be better than now.

But, as a Chinese civil war starts, a bloody conflict will occur everywhere in China.
Neighboring countries in China need attention to armed refugees and economic refugees.

you actually need producers to have welfare
they just got their production up in the 90s

Depends on how strong/large the chinese middle class gets. A thriving, well-established middle class will only tolerate dictatorship for so long. Sooner or later the CCP will have to make some serious concessions although it can more or less still be an oligarchy (sort of like the US in a way).

>Depends on how strong/large the chinese middle class gets. A thriving, well-established middle class will only tolerate dictatorship for so long.
See:

projection: the post

china, russia, and germany are all more popular than the US

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>Neighboring countries in China need attention to armed refugees and economic refugees.

that's not how chinese civil war works. were there a lot in the last civil war? chinese civil wars are based on struggles for power, not people fleeing the country

democracy is rule of the dumb. only stupid people fall for the meme

Not really fair to bring up the last civil war, sincd it was fought at a time when all the surrounding countries had also been devastated by war. Going from China to Korea in 1948 was not much of an improvement.

irrelevant. chinese civil wars are based on struggles for power, not people fleeing the country. not just the last civil war, but pretty much all chinese civil wars

The opposition is too bad.
There are only extremely left activists, foolish and crazy in the opposition parties.

So we can't change a ruling party.

Excellent people choose LDP party (current ruling party) .
Because LDP is able to securely win the election.

For this reason, excellent people gather to the ruling LDP, and there are only extremely left activists and foolish and crazy in the opposition parties.

Which is why the US is a republic and not a direct democracy.

Idk they seem to be followed by plenty of emigration. Didn't we get most of our Chinese immigrants during and after the Taiping Rebellion?

well obviously that failed

It's doing ok under the circumstances. Nearly 250 years of stable government except for the civil war, never been conquered, first world living standards...could be better obviously but it's been fairly successful relatively speaking.

LDP is status-quo shit though.

You need a credible opposition to keep them from getting lazy.

It won't end while there's economic growth.

Silk Road seems like a classic vanity project. Transport by land is fucking expensive, and going through Russia is just asking for trouble.

Correct. A population that becomes too educated and wealthy isn't acceptable as they will start questioning the party's legitimacy. Even as of now, the CCP is increasingly struggling to justify their continued existence which is why they're making a ruckus over the South China Sea, to divert attention from internal problems.

>Idk they seem to be followed by plenty of emigration.

source

>Didn't we get most of our Chinese immigrants during and after the Taiping Rebellion?
no

>nobody really likes China or wants to be their ally, they're overall one of the least liked and trusted countries
By killing TPP straight away you just threw your trustworthiness out the window since all the effort was wasted. Besides profit is profit nobody cares about what political system China use or some Falun Gong losing his kidney, even Greece is siding with China for profits despite EU whining.

Being isolated from the rest of the world in a continent sized nation surely had nothing to do with that...

It had very little to do wth our form of government. Remember that only 5% of the population voted until the 1900s.

it's only doing ok because of debt. take away the power to print infinite money and see how you do

The official line given is that multiparty democracy is un-Chinese and only the CCP can guide the nation. Which if true actually says some pretty negative things about the culture and moral character of the nation. "Our people are such primitive troglodytes that they can't be trusted to self-government, they need a dictator to guide them."

yes, but they need it because china's navy sucks. the US dominates the seas

>"Our people are such primitive troglodytes that they can't be trusted to self-government, they need a dictator to guide them."

the US is the best example why democracy is a subhuman form of gov't

Didn't you know that the Soviet Union lost the Cold War on ultimately ideological grounds? They just didn't have a marketable, appealing ideology and internal documents in the Kremlin in the 80s basically acknowledged that they couldn't beat the United States in the long run either on economic or ideological grounds.

>thinking the world actually cares about ideology

oh, the naiveté

We gave them the unused Malacca port for a port right in the Malacca strait+rail line that cuts travel and bypass American base of Singapore.
Pakistan has leased Gwadar port.
Base in Djbouti for Africa.
Pretty good sea route that bypass any potential blockade.

Things change, you're not supposed to overthrow a good dictator. Unless you're brazilian.

>It had very little to do wth our form of government. Remember that only 5% of the population voted until the 1900s.
Voter turnout was regularly over 70% in the 19th century.

It does stand that China is a remarkably friendless nation surrounded by hostile neighbors most of which want American money and weapons to defend themselves from Beijing.

>Countries have friends, not interests

USSR weren't appealing to the mass because their economy policy sucked a lot, or more like communism's economy policy in general suck. Now china despite being socially communism, they're economically (ironically) capitalism. You can't compare China and USSR because of this.

Do you think top dog politicians care about muh democracy liberty n shiet when China state firms present them hydro dams,mansions and cheap tanks?
Only first world urban dwellers with nothing to do cares about that, most people in developing country cares more about cheaper goods.

I mean, I'm in favor of bringing the western chinese provinces into the fold but is this really the best use of their money?

Currently, there are opposing parties of a different type from the conventional opposition party, but the level drops considerably.
Perhaps it will be impossible for several decades in the future

give it a rest kike. chinese people are naieve to the ways of (((democracy))). pretty soon they would be experiencing rampant homosexuality, out of control feminism, and importing refugees from africa. you only need to look at the difference between taiwan and the mainland to see where democracy would take china

qz.com/1015554/a-chinese-built-bridge-collapsed-in-kenya-two-weeks-after-it-was-inspected-by-the-president/

There's a price to pay for using chink infrastructure. ;)

then just say that instead of conflating everything with (((ideology))), using it as a cloak for your own hegemonic ambitions

probably because it was built by africans with chinese money

China has way more clout in asia than anywhere else, and already have cambodia/laos into their fold since they were enticed by development.

chinese culture is still the most influential in SEA, e.g. their film industry, but people start becoming jaded about china when they are completely dug in and start demanding things for no return. the PRC has no morals, and too autistic to have real friends.
nah, xi jinping's revolution was all about slowing down growth and bringing back equal development. he's completely brought their CEOs under his heel and focused on building true "socialism".

That goes back to the Cold War and the Soviet Union as well. Anwar Sadat said "The Russians built many factories in Egypt but they all quickly became obsolete because the Soviet Union has no technology at all apart from the military."

xi jinping's terms were about creating top-down justification, via jailing every corrupt person and making china a "functional", pseudo-fascist state. efficient and effective rule means people won't demand freedom.

And China will fix the mess for free. Not that I like china, I despise them a lot just like I despise USA.

>Now china despite being socially communism, they're economically (ironically) capitalism
Not at all China is not at all a paradise of market capitalism, it's still very much a top-down economy where the CCP manages everything and private enterprise only exists so far as the state allows it, and it can be confiscated any time with no legal recourse.

>the PRC has no morals
such as?
> and too autistic to have real friends.
this is true. the sino-soviet split occurred because mao was too hardline and thought the soviets were selling out to to the west

>make China thread
>CCPbots instantly swarm it like flies on a piece of meat
:^)

>pseudo-fascist
china is fascist

>(((freedom)))
fify

>and thought the Soviets were selling out to the West
Well were they?

>most of them want american weapons

dumb shit. vietnam's the only country that is openly antagonizing china, and has yet to make an american purchase.

every single country is equally as cynical about burgers since you destroyed the region not too long ago and got btfo. cambodia just kicked out the american ambassador after the US demanded they repay them for aid in the 60s, while bombing their country.

people would rather want a coalition of smaller allies e.g. japan, korea, australia, to back them.

Not in the short term at least but better domestic growth in the western province and other 3rd world countries connected by silk road will help fuel demand for their cheaper goods in the long term.
Not much of a problem if you have some control over the project ,control some shares, only rely on their fund and machinery and swap the electronics and control system with western ones like our chink trains where only the body is chinese but the controls are Bombardier.

>turnout
>total population

Two separate things, amigo.
No women and practically no blacks or asians voted until 1924. That’s 75% of the population in 1900 for example.

Source?

>everyone i don't like is CCP

burger leadership everyone

Nations don't have friends., only interests.

You think I'd say yes if Canada walked up to me and was like, "hey America, give me all your nukes and power. Were friends right? :)"

no country has real morals, but the PRC is fine with nickle and diming their closest allies. they don't understand reciprocity and maintaining trust.

nothing wrong with fascism or pseudofascism.

every country should have a system of false democracy built ontop of the smartest 1% ruling, just that when they aren't the smartest things get fucked.

>Source?

The only real allies they have are Pakistan and Cambodia (those two only like China's money).

How do you define "economy" "freedom"?
As far as I know, you need a permit with a bullshit bureaucracy to run a business in Canada, but in here the permit is easy as fuck to get. But yet at the map there is the reverse of the reality.

i dunno, it's debatable i think. depends what you think of khruschchev

>That’s 75% of the population in 1900 for example

>75% of the US population in 1900 were women/blacks/Asians
Uh...

>they don't understand reciprocity and maintaining trust.

true, CCP is china first

The BRI is widely supported among the geopolitical community. Why?

1. Less dependence on vulnerable sea lanes.
2. Improved connections to Chinese partners (Pakistan, Nepal, Mynamar, Cambodia, Uzbekistan, Iran).
3. Far better energy connections. China is heavily dependent on dirty coal, but Uzbekistan/Kazakhstan/Russia have infinite clean gas. But no infrastructure.
4. China has overcapacity in the construction industry and a lot of talent.
5. Makes BRI countries economically connected to China. Much like the EU expanding to eastern Europe.

Honestly, I could go on. BRI makes sense because it also coincides with pre-2013 goals and projects. The Pakistan/Sri Lanka initiative goes back to the 1990s, for example.

All in all, BRI is simply renaming prior projects and connecting them together.

Two friends are all you need. Any more and it begins to feel hard trusting some of them.

Who doesn't like money? Money is money. I hope you get banned for being underage.

The CEOs have always been under the CCP’s control you dumbass.
Stop believing everything the headlines say without DYOR.

Is he the guy from Metal Gear Solid 3?

>Improved connections to Chinese partners (Pakistan, Nepal, Mynamar, Cambodia, Uzbekistan, Iran).
>countries China does business deals with are all shitholes that no one in their right mind would ever want to live in
Welp.

China's economy was retarded and useless until the 80s

Shit, we need to recreate a port in Aceh.

>All in all, BRI is simply renaming prior projects and connecting them together.

this. i also support the BRI because i think it could be a vehicle to bring peace. people can get meaningful jobs instead of joining islamic militants

Indeed. All major companies in China have ties to the party or the army. There is no real free market economics there.

i dunno? i never played metal gear. but he's a russian president if you're wondering

Thailand is moving closer to them and Singapore seems to be distancing themselves from Taiwan since their APC was confiscated in Hong Kong.

>>countries China does business deals with are all shitholes that no one in their right mind would ever want to live in

never change

>women are 50% of the population
>blacks were about 20% of the population
Wow was that hard

Not what I said.

In 1900.
52% women.
15% black
5% other minorities
Doing quick math, that’s 52 + 7.5 + 2.5 = 62%. Now if the white men have 70% turnout, that means only 25% of the population voted in 1900.

Enfranchisement was even lower before the 1880s because of property and literacy voting laws.

China, until the 2000s, had absolutely no desire to form alliances outside China.

The stated geopolitical strategy was to lay low until they were strong.

Chinese also historically make no alliances. It was only Mao who broke that convention.

>No women and practically no blacks or asians voted until 1924

In fact it's a myth that women could not vote prior to the XIX Amendment. At least 30 states in 1919 already allowed women to vote, the XIX Amendment just made it nationwide. And the reason why voter turnout plummeted after the early XX century was mostly due to universal suffrage--women have significantly lower turnout than men.

>Chinese also historically make no alliances

>Chinese also historically make no alliances
If one wants to nitpick, in imperial times their smaller neighbors were all tributary states. What's happened now is that the CCP wants to reestablish that relationship with their neighbors, who of course aren't so keen on this and consequently they all want American money and weapons to repel Beijing.

>In fact it's a myth that women could not vote prior to the XIX Amendment.
No one said that, it was more of an issue of state's rights over federal rights.

Yes, Iran and Uzbekistan are sure thriving First World democracies.

China and Korea and Thailand and Malaysia and Russia were shitholes in 1960.

Invest early and you get great returns. The key for China is to build up these nations (and own parts of them) so that they can achieve their own development.

Let’s not forget that a world where “shitholes” improve is good for China and relatively bad for the USA. Less GDP share for us and our allies.

China presents an alternative to the IMF/World Bank/NATO system of the past three decades. Without the military alliance and intervention of the Warsaw Pact.

*SIGH*

CIA psyop has been detected.

t. 50-cent Party Splinter Cell

>China presents an alternative to the IMF/World Bank/NATO system of the past three decades

You're getting more and more pathetic with each post, Huang.

Yeah they were more like master-serf alliances where Korea had to pay a lump sum of gold in tribute as well as give 50 virgins to the Chinese emperor as concubines each year.

Alliances like NATO for example.

China protected its tributaries, but not in the hands-on way we do where our armed forces are stationed in that nation.

Please name the arms sales we make to these Chinese neighbors.

Practically no one in ASEAN. Central Asia? South Asia? Russia?

Your perceptions are skewed, amigo.

>turnout

Once again, please off yourself. I continue to talk about the population. Not the turnout.

Look