There's a ton of cool ideas and shit in here, but none of it ever gets explored. Roland and the Man In Black are both really cool characters, but we never get to see them being cool beyond a couple moments (Man In Black doing his Kilgrave/Purple Man shtick and Roland shooting fucking everything in the final battle). Beyond that all we see is a bunch of expositionary shit and a couple really awesome looking vistas in the beginning, but like 70% of the movie has to do with this fucking kid who I just couldn't give less of a fuck about.
People keep saying "Oh the books are so much better" and "This shit is nothing like the books" but is it really? Do they explore any of the concepts involved in the movie?
And if so, how did they fuck up THIS badly with This kind of source material?
Blake Watson
Is Roland basically a magical negro?
Daniel Nguyen
The book was horrible imho. King cant write for shit.
Noah Rogers
In that he's literally a negro with magic guns, yeah.
I dunno, I quite enjoyed reading Carrie (and the movie didn't do the book justice but is an outstandingly weird piece in it's own right).
Aiden Turner
Stephen KANG everybody
Evan Wilson
...
Benjamin Morris
>People keep saying "Oh the books are so much better" and "This shit is nothing like the books" but is it really? Do they explore any of the concepts involved in the movie?
yes yes and yes
>And if so, how did they fuck up THIS badly with This kind of source material?
brain drain from hollywood to tv
Leo Brooks
Fuck, I guess I should take a look at them then
Ethan Hughes
Damn, I think nobody was expecting a RT score like that. I was of course suspicious about it being so short and apparently not starting from the beginning, but I still thought it was gonna be a 60% at least.
David Rivera
I guessed in the 40's myself.
Benjamin Parker
>vistas
Blake Butler
as someone who didn't read the book did you feel roland is the main character, or just some guy jake met along the way?
honestly the only things that related to the books felt more like small little nods hidden as easter eggs or throw away lines/bad jokes that probably confused people who didn't read the books.
i haven't read all the books but the whole thing about using kids to destroy the tower i don't recall ever happening.
Dominic Evans
Didn't see the movie but they use telepaths as beam breakers in the books. break the beams you break the tower
Chase Clark
Roland is absolutely the main character. Jake fucking dies at the end of the first book. Jake doesn't come back until the end if the second book.
Nicholas Torres
It's Sony. What do you expect?
Anthony Miller
This pleases me. I hope they fucking cancel this franchise and reboot it with a tv series with hbo or something like that.
But then again, If this succeeds financially, well fuck, they're gonna keep shitting these movies like the dan brown adaptations, which Akiva "the hack" Goldsman also wrote.
Parker Moore
The Gunslinger is way better. The rest of the books are just as disappointing as the movie in exactly the same way.
Nicholas Kelly
>Jake fucking dies at the end of the first book. In fact, Roland kills him.
William Hughes
Just saw it. It was fairly meh, but Idris Elba was fun to watch. Can't wait to reread the series now, it was one of my favorites as a kid.
Benjamin Anderson
I ever read the book. Does he do all that retard gun shit in the book?
Lucas Smith
So this movie must of had a conservative message or should something realistically for the (((critics))) to not like it.
Jaxson Perez
I don't remember the action parts of the books very clearly. In fact, they were often the weakest parts.
Jayden Cox
>There will never be a 3-hour movie adaptation of The Talisman made with the same love that was given to the LOTR films. That book was better than the entirety of the Dark Tower series. And this is coming from someone who liked the series.
Jayden Anderson
>19% It's like poetry.
Robert Foster
they should have NEVER made Dark Tower into a film
Xavier Miller
Books 1 to 4 are fantastic. Great atmosphere and setting. Roland's level of the Tower is essentially so far in the future that reality is collapsing in on itself, and King really nails the feeling of a dying world. That's not a spoiler btw, Roland runs into nuclear-powered water well pumps and shit in book 1 that are so old, they barely work anymore. I suggest reading books 1 to 4 if you haven't already. 5 is readable, but not in the same class, then 6 and 7 are pretty bad. There are moments of greatness in the last two (Castle Discordia, Eddie's fate), but they don't satisfactorily wrap up the series, in my opinion.
Jordan Lewis
Is Pennywise one of the demons from outside the universe? What about the monsters from The Mist?
Josiah Nguyen
it can only work as a TV series, King's just too complicated and dense and boring for Hollywood-tier distillation
Jason Scott
He doesn't do acrobatic shots and shit, he's so fast in the books that he ends most fights before they really begin by just pulling leather at the speed of light and blowing the fuckers away.
Christopher Foster
which one had charlie the choo choo train and shit? that one was my favorite
Matthew Sanchez
There is actually a monster heavily hinted to be part of IT's species in the last book, albeit a weaker version.
Christopher Barnes
First four books are god tier. The last three are rushed shit with harry potter, and doctor doom referenced because King had a bout of "muh mortality" and wrote them to quick.
JUST
Bentley Miller
Book 3.
Blaine is a pain.
Gavin Edwards
I felt like Roland was the main character in a much better movie. As it stood here all he was was a reluctant guide, with Jake being the main character.
Brandon Garcia
WE WUZ ROLAND
Christian Morales
>but they don't satisfactorily wrap up the series, in my opinion.
That's probably because King felt the necessity to end the series and rushed it out after he had that car accident. I still like the ending, but I believe the set up to it wasn't good.
Kayden Morris
the first 4 books are great, after that everything kinda goes to shit.
Benjamin Richardson
blaine was my fuckin nigga, I was all about the evil train and Roland finally getting the stick out of his ass over Eddie
Aaron Barnes
>not WE WAS DESCHAINS N SHIEEET You've forgotten the face of your father.
Hudson Bailey
Who wins in a Mexican standoff? Saint of Killers or Magic Negro?
Connor Reed
Saint of Killers is indestructible and killed literally every angel in heaven, and then even killed god.
Brandon Wilson
But can a white character beat a black one in a Hollywood movie?
Julian Parker
I'm interested now, since post-apoc shit was my jam for a good long while and it'd be nice to get back into it.
Always thought the apocalypse would be a good revival point for Westerns anyhow. New Frontiers and all that.
Kevin Watson
>People keep saying "Oh the books are so much better" and "This shit is nothing like the books" but is it really? There are eight books, you can't possibly pack all of that content into a 90 min movie
Juan Cook
have you read The Stand? I'd rec. that over the Dark Tower series
Jace Reyes
>not reading all of King's best works
Kayden Foster
Also see
Leo Reyes
>not realizing it is the will of Ka and Kek that is has a 19% score
Jose Fisher
SoK is celestial/divinly powers
Roland just has guns made out of a melted down Excalibur knockoff and some pseudo jedi like mind powers
Isaac Allen
>but none of it ever gets explored. That's because it's saved for future movies ya fuck >i haven't read all the books but the whole thing about using kids to destroy the tower i don't recall ever happening. I believe it's in Book 6. They are The Breakers, and in the book it's any telepaths, not just children. >5 is readable, but not in the same class, then 6 and 7 are pretty bad. Christ am I the only one who liked them all? They were all great and the ending is fitting.
Parker Martinez
>They were all great and the ending is fitting. the Coda that King urges us not to read is great and fitting. The rest of the ending is an abomination.
Ayden Richardson
Why?
Carson Jackson
>Crimson King: FUCKING GUNSLINGER GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Jackson Edwards
So?
Eli Young
You're only saying that because you didn't read Harry Potter at 11 or 12
Jayden Miller
Stop breathing.
Josiah Stewart
spider king man who's played up as the most evil and powerful entity in all of creation is literally just an old man in a crimson cloak throwing explosive snitches
yes snitches as in those tiny flying golden balls from Harry Potter
Brody Jackson
So?
One dumb thing ruins a whole book?
Grayson Perry
>one thing
he was literally the final boss, the main orchestrator of everything that's ever happened in most of King's books, the man who makes Randal Flagg/the Man in Black his bitch
he was built up as a half spider demigod spawn who is the son of King Arthur and a literal spider monster queen from another dimension who commands legions of humans, rat people, mutants and untold numbers of lovecraftian and demonic abominations
and his last stand is him literally locking himself out of the Tower on a balcony and just chucking Harry Potter knockoff artifacts at Roland
Joshua Torres
>he was literally the final boss Not really. Roland was his own final boss
Daniel Richardson
>8 books of material in 88 minutes
Who could have seen this happening?
Ayden Thompson
You're beyond all hope.
Aiden Ortiz
>You're only saying that because you didn't read Harry Potter at 11 or 12 'No!'
There are more dumb things than that in the book by a lot, the Crimson King is just the epitome of all the series' problems. If you can't understand that there's no point exhaustively listing the many, many other bits of appalling writing.
Joshua Wright
>The Crimson King is exactly what he's built up to be >In His unimaginable power, He sought to scale the Dark Tower and claim it for His own >But the Tower is so far beyond even His comprehension that he became trapped on one of the lower floors, tortured by infinite vistas of reality and driven mad >Unable to raise above or return below, utterly insane, the Crimson King's only recourse is to escape to the peace of oblivion by destroying the Tower itself
Is this a better version, Towerfags?
Samuel Morgan
If you can't explain it, it's probably not true
Nice try though
Ryan Brooks
>and his last stand is him literally locking himself out of the Tower on a balcony and just chucking Harry Potter knockoff artifacts at Roland What possessed him to bring a crate of those up with him to the Tower anyway?
to be fair the eight books didn't have eight books of material either
Joseph Young
>Is Roland basically a magical negro?
That's not even what the trope means, buddy. You should probably Google it.
Ryder Butler
This was SoK's response to getting nuked, so I'll give the win to him.
Noah Fisher
Post spoilers. I read the books. Does Flagg give Roland the Tarot card reading like he does at the end of the gunslinger? Are there lobrstosities in the movie? Are Eddie and Sussana in the movie?
Samuel Phillips
>Does Flagg give Roland the Tarot card reading like he does at the end of the gunslinger? No. None of that shit is in the movie. The first book is pretty much rewritten. >Are there lobrstosities in the movie? Are Eddie and Sussana in the movie? No that's all presumably in the second film.
Robert Allen
For fuck's sake his name is Walter, not Flagg, not the Man in Black. FUCKING WALTER
Ian Jenkins
Someone didn't read the book
Hudson Sanders
Affirmative Action: The Movie
Aaron Clark
Oh I didnt know the movie is mainly based on the Gunslinger. So Roland doesnt reach the Tower at the end of the movie?
Eli Cox
Those are all aliases. Walter was his real name.
Dominic Moore
>So Roland doesnt reach the Tower at the end of the movie? Correct. This one has bits and pieces of all the books, but functions as The Gunslinger, as the first book-- although Jake doesn't die and it just ends with them going back to Mid World, presumably to find The Tower Same guy, different names.
James Morales
>Correct. This one has bits and pieces of all the books, but functions as The Gunslinger, as the first book-- although Jake doesn't die and it just ends with them going back to Mid World, presumably to find The Tower Sounds like complete trash.
Sebastian Ramirez
the first book, as it was originally written when King of a drunk in the 70's is pretty cool, part 2 is also ok, then in the 90's he decided it was his magnum opus or someshit and it really went off the rails
Isaac Clark
Nah I thought it was pretty great, even if it didn't follow the first book.
Julian Davis
The first book was by far my favorite one so doubt I'd like this.
Luis Rivera
Does the movie truly try to do that?
Isaiah Adams
Nah. I liked them all too. There's some shit in the last one I didn't care for. The Crimson King being some lame ass Evil Santa Claus was dumb. But leaving him as just a pair of eyes locked out of the tower forever was some good shit.
Aiden Turner
Fair enough. It wraps in a lot of mythos from the later books, which isn't in the first book.
Alexander Russell
No. It's been publicized again and again this is the first of several movies and a TV series. That was cool too. I will admit, 7 is my least favorite because I did think the Crimson King was an anticlimax and also the son-of-roland spider creature was dumb. But the rest of it I liked, and I liked the ending.
Grayson Moore
Mordred killing Flagg was the biggest bullshit in the series.
Jeremiah Jackson
Whew, good. I was going to say, they deserve shit ratings if they tried.
I predicted they wouldn't take the risks needed to produce a movie true to the book. Just like how they won't with the new IT movies.
Jace Miller
I mean seriously, an atom bomb at the end of The Stand didn't kill Flagg, but some spider could just eat him?
Come the fuck on Stephen
Justin Powell
>Whew, good. I was going to say, they deserve shit ratings if they tried. As I said, they do cram a bunch of exposition from the later books into it, because if they didn't, it wouldn't make much sense of why Roland is after Walter, what the Dark Tower is and why Walter is trying to bring it down. They spent more time building that world, rather than following The Gunslinger to a T. They pretty much had no choice though, they needed an action-packed first movie that explains the premise in order to set it up for more films. In all honesty the first book doesn't do that. I really don't blame them, I really enjoyed it, and I was a hardcore fan of the novels.
Also the Low Men are in this, and they're cool as fuck
Kevin Green
Man, say what you want about the movie, but they did a great job with the Low Men. Sayre's casting was great too.
Landon Price
Yeah that was great! I feel they didn't do as much as they could with him though, and it's unclear if Roland killed him or not. I hope he's in future films.
Austin Russell
There's taheen in it? Does he have a phaser?
Connor Green
Unfortunately no. But they've got the weird ill fitting human masks and skin and all that.
Josiah Hughes
Big fan of the books. Tend to agree with most that the first 3 are great. The 4th is still pretty good, although I like the graphic novel stories of Roland's childhood more.
Books 5-7 have some good stuff but the whole King writing himself into the story kinda soured me on the story.
Saw the movie today. Mixed emotions. Clearly it's own thing using Dark Tower mythology. But Mcconaughay felt flat, only really seemed menacing in the kitchen scene cooking chicken. Elba was good, telling the sluts on bus they've forgotten the face of their fathers was funny and calling people savages for eating hot "dogs" drew a chuckle.
Thought the kid was decent enough. The scene with him and Roland finding what Walter did to his mom was the one scene that showed them having a bond.
Props to whoever included the scene with Roland watching tv and seeing a commercial with talking Racoons and asking if animals still talk in our world as an Oy Easter egg.
Noah Powell
They took a series of books that are 2000+ pages total in length and tried to fit them into a single movie. What the fuck did you expect? The people in charge must be legitimately retarded to think this would work as a movie instead of a series.
Sebastian Sanchez
Would love to see talisman explored t b h
That book was a trip
Brody Sullivan
No one asked for this movie. So Im thinking it was made too soon.
Juan Martin
Wizard and Glass is the best one though
4>1>3>2>7>5>6
Jacob Howard
Except it's an adaptation of the first book and had additional movies/TV shows planned.
I mean it's still bad, but it's not meant to eight fucking books in one movie.
Austin Murphy
you forget the part where he gets erased out of existence by an autist with a magical pencil and paper