Dick Grayson did nothing wrong

Dick Grayson did nothing wrong.

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He needs to shave his face though

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Dick was so angsty during time period lol

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That makes me laugh every time . But no seriously what was he thinking?

I really, really don't get Sup Forums's fetish for judging fictional characters based on their personal morality as though they were real people and not puppets used by multiple writers.

I can't decide if the writer shipped Dick/Babs or not

Like this could easily be a "see how much he loves Barbara, shitting all over his soon-to-be-wife for her??" moment that's pretty prevalent in bad fanfics and bad soaps
But he could have just as easily just not liked the pairing and DC wanted him to explain why they didn't get married so he shat all over it

I don't really like Dick Grayson, but Donna Troy and Barabra Gordon suck, so I find it hard to hold these against him.

Why write this?

I still hope someone storytimes this

I see what you mean. Like no one came out looking good in that situation. I mean I hate Dick/Babs and was still thought it was terrible.

Wait till I get to the Roy Harper and Starfire bits.
If I can find them.

Outsiders was an amazing source for Dick being an asshole.

Somebody posted the Superman scene where Dick threatens him with kryptonite.
In his defense though I think it was originally meant to be Jason and Winick just didn't change it or couldn't.
but man outsiders was a train wreck

He didn't fuck Midnighter

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Or Tiger. Or Helena. Or Dr. Netz. Or probably Raptor. It's all about much Babsgirl.

Do you think Raptors gonna try and rape him since Dick isn't fucking him

In Dick's defense Roy is retarded. Must have been all those years of smack.

I hope Raptor turns into that tentacle monster on the Nightwing cover to try to get Dick. Then Superman comes and saves him

Lol get your shit together, Donna!

Donna is a mess.

Get Rekt Donna

NOTHING

Is Donna a masochist?

Her face in that last panel has a serious orgasm vibe

>whoring through space with Kyle Raynor
God that makes me nostalgic as hell. Are there any Sup Forums archives for 2010 still around?

I believe Dick is using the force in that panel to get her off, if you look at his hand.

Donna just fucking takes it.

>Flowers wilt in the presence of a superior female

>Orange is the new blacked

Hahaha. Wait how in the world does Dick keep his identity a secret with Starfire at his place?

Sounds like a porno starring Komand'r

I don't know how far back it goes but there's desuarchive.org

Kory used to walk around (wearing sunglasses) and pass herself off as Kory Anders, a fashion model with great legs and a nice tan.

outsiders was a bit before jason came back
Dick just couldn't handle leading a team of people who did questionable things and in response to that began to get colder

Barbara Gordon is so far down on the Grayson totem pole
Which is easy when you se the women who want him
Pic related

wow that's pretty low of dick
is this from outsiders

Makes sense. But right there she just answered the door without a disguise. Just full blown sexy alien for anyone knocking.

I remember all of Sup Forums in those threads losing their shit over that line. I mean, Rise of Arsenal and the whole Prometheus stuff was already one wild ride, especially Roy "hallucinating" on heroin and thinking a dead cat was Lian and then beating guys up in an alley, but the whoring around in space line is iconic.

I'm glad they got rid of his kid
no one this stupid should have a child

lol man this page really offended people because it referenced countdown

Only goes back to 2012. Thanks though!

Outsiders continued after Jason came back.
It ended in late 2007.

Dick was gonna originally gonna die in Infinite Crisis and Jason would be Nightwing with OYL.

The worst is that this is what she goes for. She goes for Terry the manchild, Roy the white trash idiot who pulls shit like this, and Kyle who is in eternal manbaby mode. She just plays sexmommy to everyone and deserves all of the bad shit she brings on herself because of it.

Kind of like how Starfire and Barbara deserve all of their stupid bullshit for hanging on to Dick for years, especially Starfire, when she could have literally anyone in the DC Universe.

This whole retcon of Barbara/Dick being OTP was so demonizing to Starfire even though she was the actual iconic couple with Dick. This is why people shouldn't do cross-franchise romances anymore. They always get screwed over or retconned.

Why didn't Donna ever hook up with Dick?
If she got with him instead of Terry she might have been spared years of terrible stories

No, it references the fact that Donna was dating Kyle and training him in his book/was a character in his GL book when Bryne made Terry go full retard and drive their kids off a cliff.

Not true. The Superman scene in question is from Winick's One Year Later arc where Nightwing and the Outsiders depose an African dictator and abandon him on an island somewhere. Jason had been back for years at that point. Because Dick was supposed to die in IC and Jason was rumored to take over as Nightwing, many people think Winick wrote the beginning of that run for Jason Todd and never changed the script when Dick got saved.

Because she only likes manchildren. Dick is a brooding loser a lot of the time but he never crosses over to that territory fortunately. Just gets close.

Who's terry? Was he that shitty author self insert?

>This whole retcon of Barbara/Dick being OTP was so demonizing to Starfire even though she was the actual iconic couple with Dick

remember when dixon ignored all the titans in nightwing year one except for maybe 3 pages total and tried to have dick and barbara flirting even though at the time dick and starfire wanted to date real bad and were about to

Starfire >>>>>>>> Babs. Then again, like says here. Most of Dick's conquests >>>>>> Babs.

hairy Dick > shaved Dick

Yeah. Starfire was Dick's first big girlfriend/wife and just because the Bat-editors didn't wanted to play ball and the cartoons influence they started to retcon things to make Barbara child sweet-heart, de-age her so that she'd be the same age as Dick and push the two as OTP forever and ever while demonizing Starfire as the hussy that kept Dick from the love of his life.

Dick is basically perfect and is completely justified in everything he's done in this thread.

When you said you were gonna post a Dick and Starfire scene, I was expecting the thing where he leaves her in space or when he leaves her in the porn pool.

Yeah. This is also around the time Kory began to lose her warm personality she had since her creation in NTT and just turned into the Hot Girl Sex Kitten that answers the door and acts aloof at Barbara. I really hate Dick/Barbara because it's one big retcon and not even a good one. Break up Kory/Dick if you want, especially because of their drama, but don't pretend Dick/Barbara was OTP all this time.

Funnily enough Roy/Donna was one big retcon too as some "otp" and they're still trying to push it when barely anyone cares about it. Why are comic romances often so horrible?

>If she got with him instead of Terry she might have been spared years of terrible stories

Not really. Instead she'd suffer the same fate Starfire did. The bat-editors wouldn't want to play ball and would start to push for Barbara, ruining Dick and Donna's relationship.

Pussy, not people.

Eh... Dick had a thing for/with Barbara before Starfire was ever introduced. They had this will they/won't they thing in Batman Family in the 70s but it was canceled before it got to go anywhere.

It's worse since they made her try to be the Betty to her Veronica and this girl next door can't compete with the hot slut thing when Starfire had the more doting, nurturing,fierce and kind and cheerful personality from the get go that was completely forgotten about. I haven't enjoyed Starfire's character in well over a decade, but then again I haven't enjoyed most of the Titans since their original books anyway.

I admit to being super surprised that Helena and Dick didn't have sex in Grayson. Just one or two lousy kisses. I want my sex scene and I want Janin or Marcus to to draw it. C'mon Seeley.

>wanting Seeley to get harassed again

user, shippers are no joke.

It wasn't really ever painted as some true love thing though, he had plenty of love interests and their flirting was minimal. Starfire was not only his first serious relationship but also his breakout relationship, just like NTT was his breakout role (and they also invented Nightwing/separated him from Robin role).

I'm not even some Kory/Dickfag because I think the pairing ran its course, but the way Barbara/Dick was forced into an OTP role was unnatural, wrote another relationship in a totally OOC way and was just stupid.

>Eh... Dick had a thing for/with Barbara before Starfire was ever introduced.

Not really. Dick would flirt with Barbara and act like a huge asshole because he felt odd and didn't liked that Barbara, a girl, was trying to get in on the Bat-manning thing.

>They had this will they/won't they thing in Batman Family in the 70s but it was canceled before it got to go anywhere.

Not, they didn't. Barbara was 7 years older and both editors and readers thought that she was too old for him. Yes, Barbara thought that Dick was cute, but she also thought he was an ass.

The only time she kissed him was to shut him up because he was saying that she was just a girl and could do what him and Batman did.

But all I'm asking is for Babsgirl to fuck off to her own book and let Dick have sexy time with people superior to her. I'm not even asking for her death. Shippers pls.

No can't do. Barbara now is more famous than Dick. This means that she can have more than one book and she can fuck all the guys she wants in her solo while has to settle with his never-ending crush for her, because everything is about the good dear Barbara.

Dick and Donna are compatible but that's exactly why they won't go for each other. They both live for drama in the end and thrive off it and off fixing problems. The only remotely sexual and romantic dream Dick ever had of Donna was of her being his wife, being OOC and cruel and bitchy to him and fucking Roy behind his back. He has weird psychological issues.

Barbara had more chemistry with Ted Kord and Dinah Lance than she ever did Dick Grayson. Can they let the pairing die already.

>They both live for drama in the end and thrive off it and off fixing problems. The only remotely sexual and romantic dream Dick ever had of Donna was of her being his wife, being OOC and cruel and bitchy to him and fucking Roy behind his back. He has weird psychological issues.

That explains so much about his thing with Barbara.

also Dick had a generic college girlfriend around this time named Lori

>Can they let the pairing die already.

No. Barbara was dating some punk during Gail Simone's run, Luke Fox during Cameron Stewart's run and now she's fucking some Asian dude in her new ongoing, but they'll never undo the Dick/Barbara will they/won't they OTP shit.

Yup. Dick did everything he could to make Barbara uncomfortable hoping she'd just fucking leave. He wasn't really going for Barbara at the time since he already had a girlfriend and friends of his own.

>Barbara Gordon is so far down on the Grayson totem pole

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Dick literally stood stood in front of her and told her how much he liked her and wanted to be with her. She wound up being asleep the whole time. Did you even read the series we're talking about?

To be fair that dude is a racist Nazi who was likely trying to rile her up. Also a few panels later shows he doesn't know Dick at all.

That was much later.

This is so dumb and immature. People can love more than one serious long term partners they've had in life.

It's called OTP for a reason.

Seeley push Dick/Barbara so i don't doubt that Seeley wrote that seriously.

Bruh that was not in the early series. What issue are you even talking about?

I tihnk that was afetr Seeley and King already left

Seeley didn't write that. Even more recently he also pointed out that he was keeping Helena as a love interest sooo

Some pairings either work or they don't work. If you're dragging on a pairing for decades just let it go. Sometimes no matter how hard comics tries to shout at you that something is an OTP people don't buy it. They felt this way with Jean and Scott eventually as well. Just let some pairings die. Dick/Babs is one of these, Dick/Kory was rightfully let go of as well, even if her character never recovered from it.

Everyone knows that DC is retroactively obsessing over DickBabs and shitting on Dick's life outside of her since the late 90s. What of it?

The problem with Dick/Babs pairing is that it was a shallow thing done for marketing purposes and that necessitated tons of retcons to work. It was forced.

This whole idea of pairing a Robin to a Batgirl no matter who they are is awful.

Hey, let's pair Tim and Cass despite nothing ever going between them and Tim having dated Steph and Steph's being Cass best friend.
Hey, let's push for Damian, the current Robin, to be with Steph, who's Batgirl now, despite Damian being only fucking 10.

Look at the Arkham games where Tim was paired with Barbara just because he was the Robin in that game, despite that being so... weird. I mean, Barbara had a Nightwing necklace in the previous and current game and Nightwing was even in the story, but it's like an executive just did because Robin and Batgirl belong together, despite not giving a fuck who the characters are behind the cowls.

Lol what issue is that I need to read it

Sounds like a Dixon issue.

>When you said you were gonna post a Dick and Starfire scene, I was expecting the thing where he leaves her in space or when he leaves her in the porn pool.

I want to post the scene where he tried to drag Starfire back to his apartment after they broke because she was "his woman". Unfortunately I can't find the bloody pages. If someone else is willing to post it I'd be eternally grateful.

You do realize otp is just fan shipping, right?

I think I could find Tim/Babs to be tolerable actually. Neither of them in the games were terrible people and they are way more similar in interests and attitude than Dick/Babs. So I see where it makes sense.

>he only remotely sexual and romantic dream Dick ever had of Donna was of her being his wife, being OOC and cruel and bitchy to him and fucking Roy behind his back. He has weird psychological issues.

Naw, man. Is bad enough some writers tried to push for Jason/Babs.

Lmao pls somebody post this

Writers were fans before they started writing.

Just look at the mess the writer made in Batman Beyond 2.0. Got into that Bruce/Barbara/Dick love triangle thing and made it painfully obvious how salty he was about Bruce/Barbara.

I would take either of those over Dick/Babs. That's how tired I am of that pairing. At least Arkham Babs is an ok character and not a constant annoyance