Liberals clearly have a problem with guns that is motivated by their own emotions. They just think guns are scary.
How would you educate liberals in firearm usage and deployment to make them less afraid of guns?
VERY HARD MODE: No stats on their use in crimes. Just straight up facts on their operation that should soothe fears.
EUROPEAN EXTREME MODE: Define "Assault Weapon" in a way that would make sense to both pro and anti gun camps.
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Id take them out to the range to shoot.
p90 is lowerated tho
this gun is insanely good when you know how to use it
Shoot what, though? It could be dangerous depending on what you do -- take the mexican range's supervised full auto into a dune offer and scare them forever because OMG ANYONE CAN OWN THIS??? or do you give them a bolt-action wood-clad hunting rifle and further reinforce that you "only" need .308 to hunt?
teach about guns when people are in school
bring back the types of videos they used to show teens in school. the drunk driving videos, but for guns
Liberal gun owner here in Arizona and there are a lot of us.
Shoot them.
AR-15 with an aiming apparatus like pic related so that they don't fire the first shot and spin around with it. After they shoot a few magazines explain that the gun is easy to assemble, acquire, or even just make yourself, and that there's no feasible way to prevent people from owning them. Show them how easy it is to conceal a handgun on your person and tell them how many are likely in the U.S. so if they still want to inact some form of gun legislation they'll have to keep those facts in mind.
This
>You will never have a daughterfu to shoot with
Start with plinking targets using a .22 single shot/bolt action rifle, followed up with a semi-auto rifle and a pistol to get them used to the idea of shooting little bits of metal at other things for fun.
Then once they're comfortable with that, move onto more powerful ammunition and increasingly modern firearms to get them to appreciate both the differences and the similarities between them all.
This. Liberals hate funs until they shoot them.
>How would you educate liberals in firearm usage and deployment to make them less afraid of guns?
bullet to the head
when i was 6 or 7 i got a bb gun for christmas and loved it
my grandpa was a veteran so he taught me how to be careful and to treat the bb gun like it was a real one
Buy them a gun and ship it to their closest FFL
All the fucking paperwork they have to fill out to pick it up should set them straight.
It's a fucking boutique .22
>ywn have a qt daughter to take hunting
Just kill me now.
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liberals don't really think guns are scary.
they are hateful cruel people that want to attack anyone that questions their favorite television shows, or who reveals even the slightest aspect of their own repressed, undealt with hatred and violence.
Nice strawman, you'll never get the correct answer when you're asking the wrong question.
no its not?
This, they teach kids about the dangers of sex well before they're expected to be doing it. Teach kids firearm safety before they get to the age where they're aloud use them.
Full grown liberals? Fuck if I know.
I plan on raising any children I have with a proper education on guns and trips to the ranges. I'm certain that the only reason I'm not a complete nu-male cuck who is afraid of funs is because I was in the boy scouts and shot shit all the time at summer camp. It may have only been .22 and 12 gauges(I think), but those NRA range masters were great at their job.
In the civilian configuration (9001" barrel, cucked ammo, semi-automatic) it pretty much is. Not much use outside of a range toy or very expensive varmint rifle.
Of course the more equal animals have access to the proper barrel length as well as correct automation and ammunition in which case it becomes a very capable PDW. Probably better, in that role, than the current 5.56mm carbines being issued. Still expensive though.
>Show them how easy it is to conceal a handgun on your person and tell them how many are likely in the U.S.
That sounds like a terrible idea. Personally, I don't like the idea of everyone having a gun, because there's lots of drunkards and street tussles around that could end a lot worse than they already do if people had guns instead of fists.
>cucked ammo
in places that aren't bongistan they still come in 5.7
>Enfield will never export them for civilian sale
>The British plebs will never wield them
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I remember this from a while back
Jelly to the max
Which is a .22 caliber round.
By 'cucked ammo' I meant the lack of availability of SS198LF (and predecessor) ammunition to civilians.
>5.7 is comparable to .22(lr)
thats it im posting furry porn itt thats how mad you made me
5.7 is basically as close to .223 as you're gonna get out of a pistol or smg
Reminds me of this:
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A little bit older than 7 but when I was in the scouts they taught us proper use of tools like saws, axes, air guns and several different types of knives. I was by no means a model scout but having pretty much grown up without a father I now realize that joining was one of the best decisions I ever made. I pity the kids who grow up without being able to experience anything similar.
The only option to a viable sane society.
No gun rights, Mandatory firearms Ownership by all adults no exceptions, maybe schizophrenics
Gun control has very little support among the population, even the Democrats. It's the politicians and elites that want to take firearms away from the proles. Their guilty consciences accuse them constantly.
A ~30 grain projectile going
he actually chewed me the fuck out once because i wasnt pointing the barrel to the ground and it pointed to him
he is a huge antique blade and gun collector so we got to play with military bayonets and side arm swords cutting down corn and shit
really fun times
I'm not implying anything of the sort. If anything I am implying that commercially available civilian approved loadings and designs of 5.7*28mm ammunition are comparable to .22 Magnum. Ballistics data demonstrates this.
I completely agree that the P90 is the closest you're going to get to a full rifle in a PDW/SMG. What I'm saying is that the P_S_90 is a rifle of limited applications more cheaply covered by either a regular .22LR or .22Mag firearm.
Sure, you can SBR it and buy the proper ammunition on the gray market and it would make a good HD gun but you're spending an awful lot on something that could be accomplished with a much cheaper AR15 or shotgun.
kk anyway in canada its called a p90
Leave them without a gun in a black neighborhood.
The point isn't whether or not it's a "good idea" for everyone to have guns all the time. The point is to force people to accept the reality that everyone *could* very well have a gun at any time without you knowing.
Unless you passed through a checkpoint with a pat down search and there are armed guards every five feet, you're a fool if you don't assume anyone around you might have a gun on them, legally or otherwise.
Once you accept that as the reality of the gun situation in America, it becomes a matter of the logistical impossibility of a gun roundup and the idea of legal carry becomes more appealing.
There's a difference. P90 = military variant (full auto, standard barrel); PS90 = civilian variant (semi auto, long barrel).
>in the scouts
As much as people like to shit on them for being full of pedophiles and faggots or whatever, I wholeheartedly believe that my time spent with them is the sole reason why I'm not a useless nu-male afraid of everything. Sorry to hear about only learning on air guns though. In freedomland we have .22 rifles and shotguns at our scout camps.
>educate
>liberals
well, i fear being killed by a gun. If one doesn't naturally have a fear of death, I can't imagine much else he'd be afraid of, including any sort of deity.
>out of a pistol or smg
a .223 pistol would be horrific to handle due to the length of the round unless you're a very big guy, like those old russian pistols that used full-size rifle cartridges because $YOLO
obvs if you can get a longer gun than a pistol, you may as well go for a dedicated (and prolific) rifle round but remember that 5.7 is proprietary and is also used in a pistol
>I'm not implying anything of the sort.
you literally equated 5.7mm to .22lr in >What I'm saying is that the P_S_90 is a rifle of limited applications more cheaply covered by either a regular .22LR or .22Mag firearm.
most private people who buy guns are not buying them to fight wars you retard, the only scenario where fighting with one is going to come up is home defense and 5.7 is definitely adequate for that. you wouldn't want AP ammo for that anyway since your average chav doesn't wear armor
>SBR it
a bong talking american law, hmmm, i wonder if the american disinfo agents got to you already or if you're just a retard
>the point is to highlight that the USA is literally less safe than somalia
ok
t. 15 year old call of duty player
>Educate
>Americans
yeah a real cod player knows the p90 is only good for the sprint bug
>How would you educate liberals in firearm usage and deployment to make them less afraid of guns?
Bring them into my lovely white middle class home, show them my lovely family, show them my lovely kids, have my kids show them my lovely firearm collection, my kids explain how proper firearm safety is so easy a child could learn it and end the tour with a stop by the memorial plaque to Queshean Barles who was shot in my home during a home invasion by my 11 year old son. We made the plaque not for the memory of the shooting but to remember how important home defense is.
>Assault Weapon
There's no such thing. It's nothing more than a label used by liberals to push gun control. Almost any weapon can be made into an "assault weapon" by attaching rails, laser sights and an ACOG sight on it.
It's not the guns themselves. It's the people using them.
Force them to live next to the Tyrones and Jamals they love so much. See how much they hate guns for self defense then.
>you literally equated 5.7mm to .22lr in
I certainly did not. .22 caliber means a bore diameter of .22". For example, 5.56*45mm, 5.45*39mm, .22 Magnum and .22 Short are all .22 caliber rounds.
>the only scenario where fighting with one is going to come up is home defense and 5.7 is definitely adequate for that
Indeed, why spend $1000 on a HD gun, then $200 more for the privilege of modifying it, when the same task could just as easily be accomplished with a $600 AR15. Or a $200 Hi-Point, for that matter.
As far as ammunition goes there's more to it than armor penetration. The military and police loadings have higher velocities meaning increased likelihood of tumbling which, as I'm sure you'll know, is how these kinds of rounds do their damage.
Don't forget that SMGs are getting pretty irrelevant from the rise of PDWs and short rifles. Also, the concept of a small high velocity round in a pistol was dumb to begin with. The 5.7 doesn't even hit fragmentation velocities out of a pistol length barrel, which is why in terms of terminal ballistics it's really not that much different from a 22 lr.
There's a lot of local autonomy for scout groups so local ones could potentially have shotgun and rifle training but it would either have to be done through a local sport/shooting club or in small groups with experienced shooters on private property.
My group wasn't quite rural or from a well-off area to have those options nor did we have the organised leadership to make anything like that possible.
>Don't forget that SMGs are getting pretty irrelevant from the rise of PDWs and short rifles.
Don't forget that you are literally never going to fire a shot at anyone in anger literally ever anyway
From a pistol, HPs (some are better than others) are still the best for defensive use.
I assumed you were talking about military application.
nah I'm telling a bong off for thinking that everywhere in the world can only get PS90s in .22 with a 60 foot barrel
And yet the crime rates are much lower than somalia. It's almost like a polite society can exist even with the presence of massive amounts of firearms, and there are other more important variables at play such as culture, a body of laws, and the will of the people to not allow crime to destroy their communities.
Living in an imaginary wonderland where you can pretend you're safe doesn't actually make you safe, and it also doesn't solve the problems that libs want to solve either. You have to actually understand the world around you before you can make it better; denying reality will only lead to actions that make things worse.
And that's coming from a millennial. I'd say I have hope for my generation, but that would be a lie.
oh, well at least there's some potential there. Every council summer camp I've been to had .22 rifles and shotguns, with the occasional having blackpowder rifles too. I think the main rule is that it has to be done on a proper range, a trained range master has to be on duty, and we have to receive a relatively quick safety lesson at least once. The range masters were all bro-tier NRA volunteers.
No. Liberals live like rats in cities packed full of shitskins. These places are riddled with violent crime. Obviously, blaming this on the high concentration of shitskins would be racist, so the answer must be that the guns are at fault despite the virtually non-existent violent crime rates in rural areas with nearly 100% gun ownership.
All factory PS90s are chambered in .22 caliber you colossal retard.
All factory PS90s are sold with 16" barrels you undying cretin.
>How would you educate liberals in firearm usage and deployment to make them less afraid of guns?
Run a charitable organization that arms faggots afraid of gay bashing.
Voila. Moral superiority achieved, networks built, party lines crossed.
This.
They only don't like guns because they know that guns are a means of resistance against them.
If they could be the only ones with guns, they'd have it that way in a second. And they'd be able to use them with the hateful impunity they want, completely unopposed.
Nigger, all this technical gobbledegook reaches autism levels of irrelevancy. When the fuck are you going to use this weapon other than home defense at close to medium range? Probably never.
Is the calibre lethal? Yes, that's all the fucking matters. Nobody gives a shit about "DUHH BUT THE FRAGMENTATION VELOCITIES" fucking bullshit.
5.7 is a damn good round, and avoids collateral damage like shooting through a wall and potentially into your neighbors house. It prevents your own residence from becoming destroyed and it will absolutely kill your home invader. That's all that you need to know.
>liberal journalist goes to range
>starts out with a 5.56x45 semi-automatic AR-15, a rifle known for having such low recoil that instructors demonstrated it putting the stock up to their balls and discharging a whole mag without even wincing
>fires a few rounds, yelps, and drops it
>later describes it as "like a cannon"
>described the recoil "bruising his shoulder", the brass "disorienting him" as it ejected, the smell of gunpowder "making him sick" and the mere sound of it firing afflicting him with a "temporary case of PTSD"
>all this while an instructor was watching over him trying so desperately to not either laugh his ass off or backhand the fucker
They can't even into virtual guns
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literally thought pic was a ninja turtle. fuck you op.
To me an 'assault weapon' is just any weapon that has fully automatic fire. Which is already illegal.
I mean nearly every Semi-automatic weapon is going to cause about the same amount of damage whether it's an M14 or an AR-15. It makes no sense to create any more distinction.
can someone tell me what kind of gun this is, what is it used for, and why does it look so weird? do any armed forces use this weapon?
stick them in a room with several criminals who were told if they kill the individual their sentence would get erased and give them a loaded gun in a box
It's a P90. It's a Personal Defense weapon chambered in 5.7mm. It was intended to give armored vehicle crew a weapon that can be used against body armor.
It's compact and easy to use, has a 50 round magazine and is ambidextrous.
As for why it's so weird... lol I dunno kraut space magic? I'm sure there's some reason for the weird magazine but I can't think of a reason off hand.
>How would you educate liberals in firearm usage and deployment to make them less afraid of guns?
I'm a veteran and I own two handguns/one rifle (AR-15).
Guns are scary. You're figuratively holding death inches away. But just like any other activity that has a healthy dose of inherent risks and danger (e.g. skydiving, driving, mountain climbing, etc.) you can mitigate risk with training and experience.
That doesn't change the fact that it's powerful tool used to inflict death and should be treated that way. Just because you can use it for sport or hunting many people get into a zone where they forget this. There is a reason pilots have a spike in accidents after hundreds of hours and most accidents happen close to home. Complacency and comfort set in and it's not always good.
Now, should they be banned? Tbh, I don't really care.
Is that thing some sort of a hedge trimmer?
That gun's magazine is baffling to me.
How does this shit even work?
You wouldn't really assault a position with automatic fire though, unless you were suppressing the enemy. Which would be pants-on-head retarded using full-auto with a magazine capacity of 30 or 35.
Teach them to shoot a gun.
Fuck you and all leaves
I think it's supposed to hold more bullets in a more compact package. Holding them horizontally with the gun IS a rather novel idea and keeps the magazine from sticking out of the side or the bottom.
Gif related for how it works.
Pretty clever. Looks like it would jam a lot though.
How do you reload that shit?
What?
Automatic fire is fucking amazing when you're charging positions mate. That's where assault rifles originated. It went like this:
>WW2
>Battle rifles, the type of gun used in WW1, had been showing themselves as inadequate in modern combat
>They were able to reach out to very long distances, but the ammunition was heavy and the rifles were clumsy and slow to reload
>Pretty much everyone created new ammunition that had less propellant (making it shorter but with less range) and made new rifles with full auto support
>These worked amazingly because barely any conflicts happened beyond 300 meters, and full auto allowed scared and panicked soldiers to still put a lot of men down when storming positions
>Soldiers were also able to carry more ammunition, allowing them to fight for longer with less resupplies
Nowadays most infantry rifles have burst support and semi auto support because in most instances you don't need to go full retard with full auto, but what I explained above still applies today.
For suppression you have LMGs like the M249 that allow people to put a lot of fire down, infantry rifles aren't really used for suppression that much.
hell of a lot better compact design than that whatsit gun with the cyclical mag that needs to be cranked 20+ time and jams all the time
I've heard that there's some problems with the magazines and the way it feeds. You reload it by just taking out the plastic block magazine and putting another one in.
The Calico? Fuck that shit.
>Calico
yeah that little nigger
Do you have this for the F2000? Now THAT shit is confusing
Calico is a fucking meme of a gun
I meant how to you put new rounds into the magazine. But I found a video showing it in the meantime. Looks annoying as shit.
Watch the documentary In Search Of The Second Amendment. The narrator is a liberal lawyer who got into guns as a Civil Rights era activist who discovered that the police are not always interested in protecting you. This movie has the best explanation of the relevant history and of the American idea of negative rights. It is impossible to watch this movie and accept any of the legal, historical or otherwise non-numerical anti-gun claims (eg, it creates a militia with centralized armories, or the founders did not anticipate technological progress).
Belgians are magical, lad
Not animated like that, sadly. The P90 one is from World of Guns.
Oh. Thanks for the response tho m8.
I just want to understand how in the everloving fuck the casings eject from the front.
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My Definition: Assault weapons are military grade firearms. The kind that can fire multiple rounds in quick succession and carry high ammo capacity in their clips.
> high capacity clips
Like this?
You mean like my Lee Enfield?
>Military-grade because it was literally used by the military
>Famous for its ability to fire incredibly quickly
>Double the capacity of other military rifles of its time
it's kind of amazing how little people know about guns
>Clips
Oh boy, here we go again.
learn the spray pattern bro
>make them less afraid of guns?
Have them shoot one. It makes them feel "empowered" and turns their emotions around.
Get a $10 groupon to some gun range and flip your liberal friend.
They're called magazines you filthy goyim!
>not wanting the superior PS90
What are you, fucking stupid?