>no actual economy outside of (((financial services))) and property bubble
>everywhere not London is a decaying shithole and has been for the past 30 years
>London is a shithole too
>GDP per capita has been falling since 2007
>baffling 1000% gdp to debt ratio
What went wrong?
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Yea UK's a shithole but it's our shithole
Makes you wonder why ahmeds and pajeets move there
if UK is so dependant on imports why did they brexit at all? It makes no sense
because people who voted for Brexit are elders and they are selfish cunts
Many feel that the EU is heading in a direction that we simply aren't interested in, and so we left.
It shouldn't be hard to grasp.
Yeah, banning porn is the number one priority it seems
Thanks for the non-sequitur.
And what direction is that ?
The World Wars.
Unification is the big one.
UK is doing fine lad. Economy will only have a small effect in the short run by brexit, and can potentially produce benefits in the future as they don't take shocks from the EU (for example, if a country leaves the euro, UK is insulated while the rest of the euro countries take it hit).
>be British
>have worlds biggest empire
>over the span of 2 lifetimes most of your colonies become more successful, desirable, relevant or all of the above
>yfw
Seriously how could they collapse this harshly
But its so far off, we have done a lot of superficial stuff but little actual integration.
UK economy has been deteriorating for the past decade regardless of Brexit, one of the reasons they voted to leave
And collecting dangerous sporks and gardening tools
i love how seething mad london gets all the north american mutts
the envy is palpably delicious
Although the UK is one of the least "European" trading country, the loss of the single market is still going to fuck them over pretty badly.
Success
I'm just saying, that's what the feeling is. People here felt (and still feel) that the goals of the EU have shifted since we joined, and thus, we left.
Combined with mass migration, yeah. Wage stagnation is nearly on par with Greece.
Obviously there is only one ex-colony (and I'm not sure you actually count) that is more "relevant" but relevancy has little to do with desirability. Aus, NZ and Canada are all much more liveable.
But it has always been the goal, and that was why de Gaulle was so against you joining, because the UK will always be more distant (geographically, culturally, economically, ...) compared to the other European nations.
Better to be poor in a shit-hole the live in France.
But they won't lose the single market. A deal will most likely be cut with the EU, and they have other trading partners like us. It will be a small shock. Also, some of it has been offset by the pound decline, which spurred some exports
>because people who voted for Brexit are elders
Yes who have watched this whole EU thing gradually develop into what they they were worried about despite all the EU assurances and lies. It's called real world wisdom and experience vs internet bullshitting and what ever the shills on TV are promoting.
They don't want to become a state in some fucked up German federal system where they provide the finances to gradually lose control over their own domestic policies and culture.
It's the young who are the fucking ridiculous dependent cowards, bending over to the will of power hungry globalists and believing their lie that you suddenly can't exist without them.
Britain and her allies could fire bomb most of the EU again tomorrow and everything would turn out fine just as it has before.
The EU needs Britain more than Britain needs the EU because most of their other member states are shit and they are worried France will be the next to go if they see Britain say fuck you and do their own thing again.
De Gaulle was only against us joining because it would've led to CAP being shot down. It was naked French self-interest and little more.
When we joined, I think a lot of people were under the impression that our relationship with the EU was only ever to be an economic one.
Gradually it's become more political that people are comfortable with.
I blame the Tories and Thatcher/John Major for essentially misleading people about how our relationship with the EU was going to progress.
>Yes who have watched this whole EU thing gradually develop into what they they were worried about despite all the EU assurances and lies
The EU never lied about not becoming some sort of federal quasi-state. All of its founders said that this was the goal from the start.
I think you're really understimating the fact that europe has little to no incetive to let UK have a good "deal"
They certainly won't keep the single market in the same state, and making new trade deals isnt as easy as you are making it sound like. And devaluation is awful for Britain based companies.
>What went wrong?
>(((financial services)))
That is not how it was ever sold to us. And frankly, had it been, we would have left in 75.
>*gets fucked over by his shitty worker protection laws*
>*receives minimum wage*
>*gets his face burnt by a paki*
>*returns home to tell his friends on Sup Forums how nice it is to live in London*
It was actually because he didn't want an American vassal state to influence the EU.
they were glad to join EU when their country was collapsing as fuck in the 70's
>The EU needs Britain more than Britain needs the EU
LMAO
Actually you're fucked if you do (politically) and fucked if you don't (economically.) It really is a losing game. But as always money talks
I'm really tired of Brits continuing to blame to the EU for the transgressions of their national government.
Quintessential misinformed burger post.
Non one blamed you. >I blame the Tories and Thatcher/John Major for essentially misleading people about how our relationship with the EU was going to progress.
Then maybe you should learn what people are actually posting, rather than what you think they've posted, you dumb cunt.
???
Also, we're statistically more in favour of federalisation than other countries like Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands.. Wonder how it was sold to them.
The other user said it perfectly. I blame our politicians, but guess what, at least I can get rid of them in the voting booth.
No, it wasn't.
If the UK had joined in 1961, CAP almost certainly would not have passed the way it did. The idea that Britain is different from Europe is not a profound or novel one and I'm certain all educated European leaders had it in mind, not just Charles De Gaulle.
So why was he so vehement in particular? Did Britain suddenly stop being an island in 1973?
I'm mean the preamble of the German post-war constitution literally sets European integration as our raison d'État and some uniformed imbeciles still have the audacity to claim that the EU/EC never aimed to form an ever closer union.
literally thatcher
>the EU is fucked economically if we don't
LOL and why exactly is that?
>they were glad to join EU when their country was collapsing as fuck in the 70's
Not really. We were sold the idea of an economic union that wouldn't really impede upon our sovereignty or independence.
What we are part of today is not what we joined in the mid-70s.
false. UK made up a decent chunk of GDP for the EU. With a shitty deal, the EU countries pointlessly take an economic hit. they don't have the guts to lose this money
>What we are part of today is not what we joined in the mid-70s.
of course, you only joined to profit our free market, you unironically tried to have butter and the ass of the butter seller butter but in the end butter helped us fuck you deep ;)
That's why you overwhelmingly voted to join in the 70s, when the memories were still much fresher?
It might have been one of the reasons, just not the main one. De Gaulle’s goal was simple: to make France into an independent world power. Hence the nuclear program. Dropping out of NATO. Building a European construction that France could lead.
The UK, meanwhile, was seen as an American Trojan horse, unleashed to bring discord and doubt to the Union. After all, the UK had spent centuries fighting against a united mainland; the last thing they wanted was a strong continent.
You mean why is the EU economically fucked if a "good" deal is thrashed out with the UK? Maybe ask European business directors like Francois Roudier
>With a shitty deal, the EU countries pointlessly take an economic hit.
A one-sided and favoring deal would put the cohesion of the entire union into jeopardy and everyone who knows basic arithmetic knows that the single market is way bigger than the one of the UK.
I want a referendum. It's not allowed by our owners. They actually removing the referendum law because they are scared. Fuck the EU.
Many companies in England already threatened to move to other parts of europe, and like this thread said since the most profitable ones are (((financial services))) they easily can move out. The city of London as a whole is not happy.
>butter
>butter
>butter
>butter
The fuck are you on about, Escargotbro?
Look at the estimated GDP hit for our neighbours.
Of course we're going to be the most affected in total with the possible exception of Ireland, but it's going to hurt all of Northern Europe who are struggling to keep the East and South afloat as it is.
Realistically this is why we'll get Brexit in name only which won't mean a cliff edge, but will absolutely slowly fuck us over as we disengage but dance to your tune. May will do this because she doesn't serve the British people but the international political order. It's not like she's got children anyway.
43% or 240 billion pounds of UK exports go to the EU
54% of british imports come from the EU
it is not even yours anymore, kek
No, the people were straight up lied to. When the "memories were fresher" my Grandfather didn't even allow my Mum to learn German ffs. Him and his generation would be turning in their graves if they could see this country now.
Note: I'm not blaming the EU. It is our politicians fault.
to want the butter and the ass of the butter seller is a french proverb, one similar is, i gave him a hand he took my arm.
you think these people could be a successful country??
You do realise there will also be companies opening up branches here when tariffs are imposed?
We didn't vote to join exactly. We were taken into the EEC by Heath, and then had a vote to remain two years later.
The Great Deception.
I don't want any butter, mate.
So what will Brits blame for their problems now that they can't blame EU?
Jews.
They will still find a way to blame the EU, actually.
Native Brits are absolute subhumans, all their success is due to their French-Norman upper class who conquered them hundreds of years ago.
>Scousers
They're actually Irish.
>>no actual economy outside of (((financial services))) and property bubble
That's objectively wrong.
For starters, the British economy is much healthier than the Canadian economy (not the bar is very high, but the point is still valid).
us
This is the last time I ever engage in these threads.
It's clear that Europeans are absolutely devastated by us leaving because it's way too early for "I told you so". We haven't even left and I doubt we will in a meaningful way. We should have declared our intention to leave under Article 50 the day after the referendum.
Shows what a spook muh economy is then.
>genociding the Irish wasn't enough, he now blames them for his own shortcomings
Perfidious.
soccer truly is the sport of dregs
Liverpool is an Irish city, mate.
Like Paris is a wog city, or London a paki one.
>Shows what a spook muh economy is then.
Absolutely
Unfortunately, it's one which is very effective at swaying public opinion.
Irish like Irish-American, i.e. not really
i.e. full of fucking Paddy diaspora
are they muh heritage fags? do they consider themselves irish?
you're really no different to plastics
some
mostly not
t bh 1/4 of all english are at least 1/4 irish
I have no idea but I would never see someone from Liverpool as anything but English.
us cops are nice to scousers
youtube.com
yeah, like Irish-Americans
but we are
Some certainly will blabber on about their Paddy heritage.
>no actual economy outside of (((financial services))) and property bubble
If you include tourism you just described all of Europe except Germany. Manufacturing is the backbone of any economy and all the countries in Europe have seen a step decline in manufacturing in the last couple of decades. Mind you in the US we are suffering the same problem. There is practically no heavy industry outside of China,South Korea,Russia and Germany on the planet as of right now.
>Don't have free access to India and Africa like before.
>Can't exploit natives .
>Turns to shit.
Hahahahahaha..... haha.
Always a laugh to see the delusional Brits damage controlling about Brexit.
Manufacturing actually contributes more to GDP than financial services, it's just that since Thatcher we've completely neglected it and pandered to the City of London.
Where?
The Yank is the most damage controlling ITT, the brit posters mostly hate their politicians.
no you aren't lol
same mix of arrogance with contrived victimhood
My Poo friend and an Irish chick met because of their mutual hatred for Brits. They we've been together for 6 years now, getting married this year. Who says hate doesn't bring people together
I don't think you've met very many actual Irish people
I feel bad for the state of Britain but I feel a hell of a lot worse for the state of my country.
>everywhere not London is a decaying shithole and has been for the past 30 years
are you stuck in the 80s mate?
Perfectly describes you guys on this website. Dunno about the average brit but Brits on here are insufferable.
That's pretty pathetic honestly.
Don't care beta virgin.
This is my home and I'll fight for it 'till the end.
Also our weak, cowardly govt. is the problem.