All these parties are all saving the Western world. I have two questions:
1) Do you think these parties would be more effective if they formed some sort of alliance? Since they are all essentially for the same thing
2) Are there any other parties that should be included?
List of these parties (left-to-right, top-to-bottom):
>Republican Party (United States) >UK Independence Party (United Kingdom) >Front National (France) >Alternative for Germany (Germany) >Freedom Party of Austria (Austria) >Party for Freedom (Netherlands) >Sweden Democrats (Sweden) >Finns Party (Finland) >Swiss People's Party (Switzerland) >Danish People's Party (Denmark) >Northern League (Italy)
Some of those parties are properly xenophobic/racist and some aren't. AFD have nazis in them. UKIP has sikh representatitves.
Jose Bell
Most of them are literally only there to serve Israel but it's the best we've got >1) Do you think these parties would be more effective if they formed some sort of alliance? Since they are all essentially for the same thing Most of them are in the ENF group in the EU parliament other than UKIP who's too cool for that and SD since they are swedish cucks
>2) Are there any other parties that should be included? Vlaams Belang between those moderates and the fascist parties in the Alliance for Peace and Freedom group (golden dawn, Forza Nuova etc)
Jace King
The republishit party are just a bunch of pro Israel good goyim that give tax cuts to the rich they don't give a fuck about the plight of the white working class the only thing they have going for them is that they aren't pro sjw kikes (not yet anyway)
Easton Nguyen
The republicans are bunch of fucking chumps, with the two american parties the way they are, they'll never be saved.
Ryder Walker
same with SD
Kevin Jenkins
Where is Orban?
Caleb Carter
>AFD have nazis in them.
Any proof of that claim?
Both are accused of racism/xenophobia just as much and you well know that. Fuck off.
>Most of them are in the ENF group in the EU parliament other than UKIP who's too cool for that and SD since they are swedish cucks Fair, I guess that's a sort of grouping
Also here's a question about Lega Nord since I don't know too much about them - wasn't sure to include them since they're regional instead of a national party like the rest. Would you group them among the other parties I named? All those other parties have grown significantly in the past couple of years - especially in response to the 'migrant crisis' - is the same true of Lega Nord?
Yeah I mean they're definitely not the same as the other parties I named, but CURRENTLY they sort of are, with Trump at the helm.
I could include that party I guess
Christian Gray
Add PNR to the list Britbro
Jacob Taylor
Lega Nord are petty separatists who prevent Italy from having a proper national-populist movement.
Benjamin Myers
>Would you group them among the other parties I named? Yes, since Salvini won the internal elections they changed from separatists to the kind of populism/anti immigration/conservatism of the other parties in the list so i think they fit there, his role model is Marine Le Pen but he's not good enough to be like her sadly
>All those other parties have grown significantly in the past couple of years - especially in response to the 'migrant crisis' - is the same true of Lega Nord? They've been stuck in the polls at ~15% for a long time now but they certainly gained a lot of votes from the migrant crisis... another party that's pretty much the same but without the separatist history is Fratelli d'Italia, they are more focued on being against islam but they are significantly smaller than Lega Nord
Jason Perez
I don't think the Republican Party belongs there.
The Rs are just one of the two parties that inevitably come from having "first past the post" elections.
Don't get me wrong, they're better than the Dems, who are a just a deliberate suicide pill for America, but the Republicans are pathetic at resisting and fighting back. Trump is the only meaningful positive development to occur in 30-40 years.
Joshua Scott
>"first past the post"
Combined with "winner takes all" inevitably produces a two-party system.
Mason Gutierrez
Ours should be the Constituion Party really. A lot of Republicans are cool but a lot are also shit
Brayden Green
You've just forget Chuck Norris
Justin Perez
You need to remove the finns party from the list. They are totally cucked nowadays are just typical "conservative" party. They are not even trying to do anything about the immigration crisis.
Leo Wright
You're right they're not exactly the same, and you're right that's mostly due to your stupid political systems like the electoral college
But currently, the Trump-led GOP is the political manifestation of the same ideas that have created the rise of UKIP, AfD, etc. It is the same animal in a different form.
Grayson Garcia
>SVP >Lega Nord >Front National
Are you baiting?
Jack Edwards
tfw my countries left as fuck and theres no based parties like these
Matthew James
I did that "i side with" test and it said i'm the closest ideologically with the constitution party but i've never heard of them
Joshua Roberts
SVP got minarets banned so yes, I would definitely include them in this grouping
Isaac Sullivan
>mfw poland has no west-saving parties
Liam Gray
You can think by yourself and create groups, you lazy boy.
John Brown
>republican party No, it's just Trump. The Republicans and Democrats are normally two sides of the same coin. This time is different.
Jack Lee
>Counterjihad >saving the western world kek
Brayden Hill
I guess we are too irrelevant, but we have "Sloboda a Solidarita" (Freedom and solidarity) party, their leader is based MEP Richard Sulik (Austrians and Germans may know him from his appearences in TV). He is liberal, but the good redpilled kind.
Like it or not, but the SVP has also kept us out of the European Union. They may not be politically correct and rabid anti socialists, but they have done a lot of good.
what about Slovak National Party? and there is also Kotleba – Ľudová strana Naše Slovensko?
Hudson Sullivan
I'll look at them, are they also anti-immigration, anti-islamisation, and currently gaining a lot of support? Those, I would say, are the three main criteria for being among the parties I named
Yes they're not exactly the same but they're the biggest anti-immigration populist party in Italy as far as I'm aware
Makes sense, thank you for enlightening me Italbro
No they don't belong, because they're not popular enough. All the parties I named are getting a lot of support, and they are all winning political power (e.g. Brexit, Trump for nominee, AfD in German regional elections, etc)
Damn. I included them because I saw a video on Sup Forums the other day (you might have seen it) in Helsinki, of some right-wing people demonstrating against Islam and immigration. And I thought they were from Finns' party but maybe not
>No, it's just Trump. You're right but their presidential ticket represents the same ideas as those other parties, which is why I think they (currently) belong on that list
Julian Phillips
Right-wing Radicalization Index (Western Europe, according to 2014 EU results)
0.96 France 0.67 Austria 0.62 Great Britain 0.50 Netherlands 0.48 Greece 0.33 Belgium 0.31 Denmark 0.23 Italy 0.20 Sweden 0.15 Germany 0.00 Spain 0.00 Ireland 0.00 Portugal
But the polls are bascially all over the place Also the Finnish party is now apart of the goverment and thats why they collapsed
Luis Flores
Republicucks are fucking terrible. Even with this hostile takeover by Trump, the majority of the party is still complete shit. Good goy neocons who wish to do the bidding of their rich Jewish masters.
UKIP is basically dead in the water now that Farage is gone.
Anthony Jenkins
Law and Justice?
Wyatt Sanders
I am using Yougov as it was the one closer to their actual result in the last elections
Caleb Long
Pauline Hanson's One Nation party.
Josiah Sanders
1) Yes, WWW (western white worldwide)
Cooper Sullivan
My LN results include 4 % for their minor partner party (Brothers of Italy)
Parker Nguyen
>anti-immigration Yes. >anti-islamisation Hell yes. >gaining a lot of support Not sure.
Sentio was probably closer than Yougov but yeah those 2 are the ones who have been best atleast in the last election >15 minutes before polls close on Swedish election day 2014 >Commercial tv-station put outs an "exit poll" where Sweden Democrats only get 8% and the Green Party gets 9% >results come in >Swede Democrats get 12,7% >Green Party gets 6% And in the regular polls just like 2-3 weeks before the election the Green Party had around 8-10% in the national polling So yeah the pollsters in Sweden suck
Jason Hill
4 Senators at the last election.
Juan Hughes
>tfw talking politics here is useless because all parties and 99% of politicians are shit
Brazil is just a big leftist circlejerk,I want off this ride.
Connor Jenkins
I am taken the higher SD poll exactly for that reason (August 2016. YouGov poll, 25 %)
John Wilson
It is China, not Islam, the one that is conquering Australia tho
Eli Sullivan
This. OP the republicans are not on your side. They're on Israel's side.
Michael Lewis
I thought that about Australia, until our ultra Nationalist right wing party suddenly won seats out of nowhere. Just because nobody will admit to the politics in public doesn't mean they're not out there and willing to vote to save Western Civilization.
Zachary Hill
> mfw no Integralist Brazil
Camden Collins
This is a good list, thank you
This is also an interesting list although you haven't included the M5S members in the 'right-populist' group (EFDD)
Sebastian Butler
I'm sorry to disappoint you but while PiS is indeed a conservative party at the same time they're a bunch of communists. They know that the population would be unhappy with progressive bullshit being forced down their throats so they claimed the podium by rejecting what the previous party was trying to achieve. Their interests aren't in favor of the population in the long run, though. They're constantly taxing pretty much everything and throwing regulations at the Poles.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want most of the other parties to be in charge. PiS is doing a lot of financial damage, but it's irreversible financial damage. If we had a bunch of niggers jumping on our heads we wouldn't be able to reverse that without a mass genocide.
Luke Watson
Chinks here are fine. Within 1 generation they assimilate and they spend a lot of money here. Muzzies form ghettos and 4 generations later are still breeding Aloha Snackbars.
Noah Barnes
You have a Nationalist right wing party.
We don't.
[WAKE ME UP INSIDE]
Grayson Torres
>PiS is doing a lot of financial damage, but it's NOT* irreversible financial damage
Excuse my retardation.
Asher Anderson
> you haven't included the M5S members in the 'right-populist' group
and I won't
M5S exclusively caucus with the Greens in the European Parliament
They are only in the EFDD because the Greens were butthurt about anti-european feelings in the M5S, but outside of that the M5S never EVER caucus with the UKIP or SD
M5S are leftists that even supported pro-illegal immigration legislation in Italy itself
Xavier Gonzalez
Yeah, it may look like ĽSNS is the most based from them, because they endorse WW2 Slovak facist state, but all their other policies are terrible, they lack educated people etc (I expect more from political party than just whining about muslims, fags and gypsies). SNS is similiar, some of their opinions are ok, but in other areas they suck. On the other side, SaS is redpilled + they have great economic agenda and that's why I chose them.
Hudson Cooper
>Finns >saving anything Their leader is a populist dictator. The members are low IQ retards. It's losing popularity poll by poll.
John Anderson
>AFD have nazis in them
What do you mean with "in them"? Nazis are voting for AFD? Yes, because there us is no good alternative for right winged partys. Youve got plenty of alternatives if youre left, 3 in the opposition. There was just one succesfull "right" winged party and that was CDU, what became a back of shit. Now, weve got the AFD, a real right winged party, the third strongest party in Germany atm. Of course theyll vote for the AFD, because theyve got atleast a better deal with the AFD, then with the actual government/opposition.
There are no real NAZIs in the party, People who went too far on the right site are getting fired.
Ryan Perez
RIGHT-CONSERVATISM != MUH FREE MARKETS
People tend to confuse Right-Conservatism with Center-Conversatism but they are NOT the same
Right-Conservatism is about protecting the historical continuation of your country, in fact, the very free right winger were Monarchists, NOT libertarians, they believed in divine right of the throne for the stability of society
Center-Conservatisms belong with the Liberals, they are a recent development
Chase White
Right now, I'd have to say that the Republican Party is only contributing to saving the Western World because Trump is saving the Republican Party. He is, in a sense, redefining the party to be slightly less socially conservative, but more isolationist/nationalist, all while maintaining core Republican values like devotion to capitalism, decency and defense of the 2nd amendment. If this redefinition takes root and endures (and if he wins in November and delivers on his campaign promises), we could be seeing the dawn of an era of dominance by conservatives in America.
Of course, that was a lot of 'ifs'.
Obviously, Brexit was a very encouraging indicator that the Western World is just fucking tired of this globalist bullshit being thrown at it.
Christopher Baker
Also one party alone can't save anything. They need to form an alliance with others. For example SD and S could become a coalition, and SD has stated it's ready so-operate with S, but they need Löfven's acceptance first.
Levi Edwards
Vlaams belang
Hudson Howard
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Adrian Myers
im sure many Swedes felt the same during the whole 90s and early 2000s Then from almost nowhere in the 2006 election Sweden Democrats got around 2,6% of the vote, and would qualify to get goverment funding and polticians from other partys actually got scared and try debating them sometimes, but instead of defeating them they get into our national parliament in 2010 with 5,7% of the votes They were then handled as "persona non grata" and more than doubled in the 2014 election and recived 12,7% of the votes For a short while during the 2014 autumn and spring the comming year, the other partys had to make up strange deals that would mean they didnt even vote for their own budget motions and such, but that feel trough thanks to a smaller Christian Democratic party deciding to break that deal Now the Sweden Democrats are competing with the 2 other large partys we have to become the largest party in next election in 2018. Since then Sweden has changed it migration laws, now our laws are more like the rest of the EU and the largest center-right wing party is calling for a complete pause for all asylum immigration, i dont think that would have happend without the Sweden Democrats
Asher Long
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Nathan Hall
>republican party sage
Lucas Johnson
> mfw growing again in the polls
Grayson Jackson
>SNS Arent they in goverment right now with your Socialdemocratic Party? That could never happen in Sweden, a left-wing party togheter with a nationalist party
Josiah Morales
noice meme
can I save it?
Nathan Rivera
>because Trump is saving the Republican Party. You mean spreading populist bullshit. At least half of the shit he says doesn't work without the support of his party. And Republican Party =/= Trump.
America is not saving anything because it doesn't matter who's the president.
Vlaams Belang lost ni the polls because of NVA right? They were bascially a softer version of Vlaams Belang but now that NVA is in goverment voters return it seems?
Matthew Price
One Nation + Liberal Democrats over here
Sebastian Gutierrez
You lost me at >populist bullshit
Owen Long
Yes, they lost around half of the support to N-VA
They are regaining it again because of the recent events
A shame they were forced to drop their repatriation platform after the Blok was banned
Moroccans have no place in Flanders
Bentley Sanchez
Nice.
Interesting perhaps they do belong then. It's interesting though that Spain and Portugal don't seem to be having the same surge of political support for these ideas as West/Central/Northern Europe are
Fair enough I guess
Brandon Nelson
Because that's what it is. It's nothing different from previous election candidates. They all spread the same bullshit, nothing ever happens. Because the President of the United States doesn't make these decisions.
Hunter Scott
NVA is doing good, their ministers are doing an OK job (migration and internal affairs) stating the real problems, but Vlaams Belang on the rise at the cost of the left.
> Vlaams Belang on the rise at the cost of the left.
nooooooooooo
no
The gains of the VB has been old voters that had defected to the NVA
the combined NVA-VB support has not increased
Adam Nguyen
They will probably get more support since some iraqi twins, sons of a ambassador, beat a 15 year old kid to a coma, and got away because of diplomatic immunity.
Oliver Martinez
The president is a big influence on national politics though. For example, Obama is reduced to executive orders to enforce his socialist policies no one wants because he doesn't own the house and the senate right now, therefore being innefective in passing laws
Soini knows this because he's a populist expert himself. He knows that one person can't make changes in international treaties, and he knows how to read Trump. However Americans are too dumb to realize this.
Brody Roberts
Forget about it, Front National now are fucking moderate cucks.
Henry Green
>but Vlaams Belang on the rise at the cost of the left. Sure about that? >Yellow N-VA >Brown Vlaams Belang
Lincoln Rogers
>No FRP
Charles Campbell
>Soini
Who?
Anthony Lewis
this, voters found out they voted for a bunch of cucks.
they're doing a terrible job btw, federal and on a local level.
Jacob Williams
well, there is the French Nationalist Party also the grand daughter is far more radical than the daughter
Caleb Mitchell
>Fico >based He isn't socialist he is corrupted populist lying fucker elected by bought gypsies votes and senile old people who exploits this country for almost decade now. We hope he will fucking die soon (he had troubles with his heart recently)
Levi Harris
Yeah, it's sad.
Kayden Jenkins
>FRP they dont even wanna co-operate with the other Nordic nationalist party, they are a stuck up bitch also they are pro-EU
Gabriel Baker
the republican party isnt saving shit
neo-cons destroyed this country and it took a literal billionaire with an army of media to just barely scratch the surface
Jason Moore
This """" Social"""Democratic""" party wipes its ass with SNS and the third coalition partner.
Hudson Brown
Mind you, with how fractured belgium politics are, what the NVA can or can't do is quite... very limited
Caleb Wright
Finns Party leader. Wrote his master thesis about populism. Gained popularity pretty much like Trump, got most votes last election. Became a turncoat and joined in a government coalition with two centre-right parties, NCP and Centre Party, which made his voters(working class) and the rest of the party angry. This is the result.
