Holocaust denial

Why do neo-nazis always have a need to deny the Holocaust?

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Because there's lots of faked evidence for it - unless you think you can imprint your palm into solid concrete.

Because you refuse to listen

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because it didn't happen

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its only you leftists who bring it up

This is stupid. The original intention was not to eliminate the Jews by killing them, it was just to get rid of them. Since deportations could not be done immediately, they were confined in ghettos and camps to isolate them from society. The Final Solution was a much later invention, after which an industrialized genocide was started - pretty late in the war.
The SS killing squads (Einsatzgruppen) took care of foreign Jews to make sure the Reich was not encumbered by even more Jews. Also, since the Reich needed Lebensraum, a lot of Slavs had to be removed anyway. One might as well kill the Slavic Jews first, since they presented a double-problem.

2) Haven't read any of them. Churchill never denied the Holocaust though.

3) Because Auschwitz wasn't originally a death camp.

4) The Germans organized the deportations in collaboration with local governments. They did not use large amounts of manpower on it themselves.

5) There are literally thousands of pictures...

6) There is no way to count the casualties precisely. Contemporary estimates vary between 4,8 and 5,8 million Jews killed. Four million are named.

7) The use of euphemisms is widely used in militaristic lingo. I.e. "collateral damage" which means "civilians killed". Even Himmler recognized the heavy toll it took on the SS to kill the Jews.

8) Again, stupid. There were mass graves and many people were cremated. The burning pits were never a very effective solution (notice the euphemism).

9) Again, stupid. The Germans actively tried to hide the Holocaust, even from the German citizens. They did in fact try to place camps conveniently to this end.

10) Wrong. Other inmates were used to clean out the gas-chambers, hence there was no problem if there was any danger involved with the cleaning out.

11) Don't we? Anyway, even if the claim was a false rumor, it really does not alter the fact, that people were killed.

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Collateral damage isn't a euphemism retard. It literally means what it means. The military doesn't use euphemisms because that would be confusing as all fuck in a combat situation and totally unnecessary.

You pretty much refuted nothing with all those points (though that point triggered me in petacular though for some reason), good job.

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What is the Holocaust?

Because of an extreme lack of evidence that supports the holocaust narrative, and thought crime laws that deter people from investigating too deeply into the matter.

12) As 11). People were killed in numerous ways. Some may have exaggerated or misunderstood how other people were killed. Don't you guys know how rumors and human recollection work?

13) There is no 13...

14) Ridiculous question which does not alter anything about history.

15) This proves what? That no one were subject to experiments? Come on.

16) I think we need a source to this claim. Since the last Ice Age. In rural settings. Right.

17) No, simply not true. Besides pictures, there are mountains of eye-witness accounts from German citizens, Guards of the SS, documents issuing orders of deportation to known places of killings, heaps of charred bones, reports from Nazi meetings and even the personal protocols from leading Nazis like Himmler and eye-witness accounts from allied soldiers.

19) They say that to illustrate the ridiculousness of the claim.

20) It's not a concern over forgetting the actual instance, it's a concern over forgetting how horrible it really was. What a simpleton way to misinterpret a serious concern.

21) The crematoriums were ovens with open chimneys. Civilized, modern crematoriums are not.

This was easy.

Other way around, everyone questioning the Holocaust is called a Nazi

>Why would a man framed for murder want to deny that he did it?

I can't decide which episode is my favorite.

Uhm, no. And please, refute what I wrote, if it is so wrong. Nope, you can't.

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Because holocaust these days is used as a political tool to justify jeweries

The biggest evidence I have for the holocaust being fake is the way we are persecuted for denying it.

My point exactly. They know it was wrong. They knew it then and they know it today. That is the only reason why some of them spend so much of their time trying to wriggle their way out.

>you tell someone that 2+2 is 5
>they say you're retarded
>this must mean i'm right

That is some hard evidence. I guess the biggest evidence that a man is innocent is, that his friends will be persecuted for hiding evidence too. Right?

If it were real why would others need to lie about it?

>This was easy.
Simple is the word you want.

Why can't pro-Holocausters ever show evidence? Where are the six million bodies?

>they arrest you for it

On no wait.

Because it didn't happen you fucking idiot, look into the evidence and it's obvious

1) Was always the idea to relocate.

2) He never mentioned it.

3) Why weren't all prisoners killed? Why did they randomly keep some alive?

4) Still manpower spent on performing retarded tasks.

5) Many refuted.

6) Sounds like it needs more investigation famalam. Shame that's illegal for some reason.

7) Still no, show me examples. Collateral damage is not one.

8) Where?

9) Didn't happen.

10) Yeah, somehow they survived this.

11) No, we don't and yes it does.

8)

Of course it was. Simple claims are simply refuted. I could sit down and put sources on everything, but I really don't want to.

Here's a general list of sources though:

Books:
"Hitler" by Jorgen Gronvald Laustsen
"De så det ske under besættelsen"
"Anden verdenskrig i farver"
"Hitlers modstandere"
"Mein Kampf"
"Anne Franks dagbog"

Numerous articles in newspapers concerning new discoveries regarding WW2.

Pod-cast series about books about WW2 called "Hitlers Æselorer" on radio24syv.dk

Documentaries:
"Auschwitz: The Nazis and the 'Final Solution'"
"What Our Fathers Did: A Nazi Legacy"

Just from the top of my head

Bodies or GTFO. People can say anything, that is still not hard evidence. They said 6 million, I want to see 6 million bodies, or 30,000,000 pounds of ash, whichever you prefer.

>Besides pictures, there are mountains of eye-witness accounts from German citizens, Guards of the SS, documents issuing orders of deportation to known places of killings, heaps of charred bones, reports from Nazi meetings and even the personal protocols from leading Nazis like Himmler and eye-witness accounts from allied soldiers.

and of the same, but against?

12) It shows that it needs MORE INVESTIGATION.

13) Lel

14) It shows that there is discrepancy which means MORE INVESTIGATION.

15) It means people were lying son, which means theres a discrepancy which means MORE INVESTIGATION.

16) Not the top soil retard, the ground underneath.

17) Citation needed. We have people who admitted to things that after more investigation tunred out to be false.

18) FORGOT ABOUT THIS ONE DIDN'T WE, HMMMM.

19) And it's stupid.

20) Fair enough.

21) Already proven that they couldn't have functioned in the way described (they couldn't have processed that many people). It also means people were lying son, which means theres a discrepancy which means MORE INVESTIGATION.

>Because it didn't happen you fucking idiot, look into the evidence and it's obvious

oops, you dropped your hat, fat bitch.

Because of just being honest about their hate for the jews they feel like they need to justify it.

1) Until it changed. The Nazis illogically blamed a Jewish conspiracy for their failures and wanted to get rid of them fast. Until then, it was a pretty good business using them as labor.

2) OK, that must mean it never happened.

3) This is partially true. Retarded? Not considering the Nazi ideology, but it took a small amount of manpower which could correctly, probably be used better elsewhere. The claim is based on a false premise of Nazis always being rational.

5) Even if the refuted ones are false, the rest are still evidence. We talk thousands of pictures. But you are right, no single photo has captured every dead Jew, POW and PI. The reason is pretty obvious.

6) Not in all countries. In my country it's completely legal. Blame your own fascist government.

7) Sunshine unit

8) See "What our fathers did". They visit a spot.

9) ...

10) That is because the Zyklon B in fact was rendered harmless or mostly harmless when spent. There were no crystals left to react.
Even if there was a little, the Nazis wouldn't really care. I just didn't mention this, as the claim could more easily be refuted the other way. It's stupid to think the guards would want to go near the bodies and spend energy removing them, when there was free labor everywhere. The claim does not even take the most obvious way of solving the problem with potentially toxic bodies into account, which has been confirmed by survivors, showing the complete lack of knowledge on part of the author.

11) How?

I'm sure you do. Because that is how things work, right? Then show me America. I've never been there. I guess America is just a lie to convince me about the merits of capitalism.

>Neo-Nazis deny it instead of being proud of it
>denying Eichmanns master organization skills

Sunshine unit was the literal term, not a euphemism. It got changed back because it sounded retarded. The US government didn't use it because they were "shhh trying to keep the radioactivity from strontium a secret from the public shhh".

That's a fucking apples to oranges comparison and you know it.

Jew here. I don't buy the Holocaust narrative either. Deal with it.

YOU'RE SAYING AMERICA DOESN'T EXIST?! OFF TO JAIL WITH YOU!

Show me a pic of your circumcised dick or gtfo.
People can say anything, that is still not hard evidence

The "more investigation"-parts I won't oppose. I agree, that more investigation is always a good thing. It does not refute anything, that some pieces of the puzzle are missing.

18) I think it's stupid to outlaw these things, but this claim is surely the one of the weakest. It practically has nothing to do with if things happened or not and only makes sense from a standpoint of a true conspiracy theorist.

Don't get me wrong. I consider myself a national socialist. I do not, however, buy into the Nazi crap. Exterminating Jews did in fact not help the Reich attain anything, communism was is not a Jewish invention and Germany did not need Lebensraum. A nation is not best off by being a farm-based country. And the "socialist"-part is not to be simply ignored in practice.

>the holocaust never happened but it should happen again
Neo-nazis are fucking retarded

prime example for a low IQ sheep

Riight. You know it Italy.

Not how things work around here. Sorry you live in a fascist country. Deal with it.

Prime example of a lazy faggot

Cuz Hitler was a good boy, he dindu nuffin

It's not one of the weakest, it's the most suspicious thing about it. If it were 100% true then there'd be no issue with free investigation. But it isn't so there is.

The sad truth is there's a lot of money it keeping in the current narrative.

A mss organised genocide probably didn't happen but I agree that putting people in shitty work camps under shit conditions where most died was literally degenerate.

Mainly just arguing for fun on a Sunday desu.

money it for keeping

Fucking christ I'm a retard:

A LOT OF MONEY IN IT FOR KEEPING THE CURRENT NARRATIVE.

But 11 countries are not a lot. There are literally hundreds of other countries in which you can do all the research you want. One of them is just a boat trip to the west. The conspiracy is holed like a Swiss cheese.
"I can't say these things in my country. This is a world-wide conspiracy to hide the Holocaust lie". That's how Americans think desu, because they think the USA is practically the whole world.

Holocaust or jews have never really been a thing with neonazis in Finland.

Everyone who does any research should quickly realize that the holocaust is a joke though.

I wrote "t b h" not desu. Lol

the lengths they go to rationalize denying it show just how much acknowledging it would be inconvenient and uncomfortable to their whole worldview
granted, denial is heavily suppressed and a rigid narrative is in place but hardcore deniers are on par with flat earthers

.Probably the same reason people deny Jesus is a god -- they're blasphemers

Fair.

>just research the millions of dead jews that are totally there from usa :^)

Yeah why arent they proud of it?

>There are literally hundreds of other countries in which you can do all the research you want.

How many of those are places of where this claim that needs to be researched happened?

Tell me, have you accepted the Holocau$t as your financial savior?

Oy vey, goyim, that's an awful lot of questions you're asking. Are you some sort of anti semite, do I need to call the police?
>eurocucks will literally be thrown in jail today for asking questions

>always have a need to deny the Holocaust
>need
>need
I only became a natsoc sympathizer AFTER I found out the holocaust was exaggerated for post war propaganda

Well, you can actually just go to any site of the Nazi war crimes and research if you want. Especially if you are a real historian. If you plan on saying something illegal, just print the results in a country where it isn't illegal. Are Holocaust-deniers really this apathetic?

Nope. Only in some European countries.

I don't. I think the holocaust happened, and was justified.

>Well, you can actually just go to any site of the Nazi war crimes and research if you want.

I doubt they'd let me dig up every alledged mass grave and count the bones and weigh the ash and then give a proper estimate about how many dead people there were.

I doubt you have the skills to do so anyway.

WHERE ARE THE BODIES?

they went to palestine and had kids.

>I doubt you have the skills to do so anyway.

I could hire someone that has the skills and they still wouldn't let me do it, because when they ask WHY I'd want to do it I'd have to say that I don't believe the holocaust happened the way it was described and that I'm going to prove it - which is illegal in the countries where there are sites to dig up.

Would you support my plan that would finally give the most accurate estimate about the death toll? :^)

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fuck outta here lil nigga

Oh, so you would just HAVE to say that? You would literally make the worst spy evar.

And yes I would. But you still won't. You just like to sit in your parents' basement and deny the Holocaust and dream about your wild plans. Why didn't you study history? Oh sorry, they make demands regarding quality of work. I forget

quality shit posts incoming

>potato intellectuals

I really enjoy your disregard of honesty and your ad hominem. Shows what quality humans on the pro-holocaust side there are.

>You have to be a neo-nazi to question the Holocaust
>Not a human with two brain cells to rub together

We both know that you just talk shit, which doesn't warrant a serious reply.

>We both know that you just talk shit

I was asking you about a hypothetical scenario, it's not my fault that you can't entertain a thought without throwing a fit.

First define the "holocaust"
Were there concentration - work camps = yes deffinately, the jews were used as labour. A payback sort of to what jews did to germany before ww2.

Were there extermination camps, where they gassed, and burned 6 million jews = no

The holocaust happened because:

1) Zionist collaborated with nazis to make them use the "final solution".

2) Nazis were retarded and created millions of martyr jews and this was the perfect excuse to create Israel by the Zionist jews.

3) The Zionists do not fucking care about jews, only about money. Sup Forums is all about jews, but they never talk about the real problem: zionist jews.

Everything else is just neonazi crap, in the same level as alium conspiracies.

That was not the premise of my question. I specifically asked about neo-nazis because they, sharing the ideology with their historical counterparts, should celebrate the killing of 5-6 million Jews.
Sooo...

Yea, I see what you mean

Because the holocaust is taught in schools to justify the fact that jews run the united states.

Literally an argument on the tier of "if you want money to rain down from heavens you should believe money rained down from heavens in poland in 1945".

Well, in this case money did rain down in Poland in 1945

The military does use euphemisms and collateral damage is one.

Collateral damage. : injury inflicted on something other than an intended target; specifically : civilian casualties of a military operation.

Unfortunately there was collateral damage.
Unfortunately there were civilian losses of life.
Unfortunately we killed the wrong people.

Hmm yes that seems like definitive proof that the holocaust happened thank you.

I guess the neo-nazis just really don't want it to be true because then they would have to justify it. And they can't. The historical Nazis tried to hide it and contemporary Nazis do the same.
They are, to put it simplistically, pussies regarding their own beliefs. Such big pussies, that they spend hours on end looking for even the most minor discrepancy trying to refute the Holocaust. Like there never was discrepancies in historical accounts

Hmm yes that seems like definitive proof that the holocaust happened thank you.

It's too late to retrieve any meaningful results. It would be impossible to tell homosexuals from Jews and Jews from Slavs and Slavs from homosexuals and any other non-Jew victims apart from each other.

I bet you believe that the Nazis made corpses into soap and used babies as clay-pigeons for fully-automatic skeet shooting and "survivors" like Elie Wiesel are completely honest and don't exaggerate anything at all because they would never think of dishonestly embellishing their story to boost their sales.

They are just playing the Zionist game making a joke of themselves. Instead of pointing to the true enemy: The Zionist jews; they point to the retards (Nazis) who were manipulated by them to commit the mass killings of jew citizens.
But what do you expect from neonazi? They are fucking sheep.

I think because guilt is the ultimate currency in human societys.

Which holocaust?

Because they good bois. The dindu nuffin. Now say that in broken German and you get the average neo nazi on pol.

That just means we'd have a general holocaust death toll, which should be fine - they're all equal after all :^)

Because it is an exaggerated lie.

He was not a historian tho