Why are people who hate this film so completely incapable of expressing actual reasons why they dislike it? They just shitpost and meme their way out of it.
Meanwhile, I can explain exactly why it's good.
For starters, its use of the leitmotif of perception versus reality plays into literally everything happening, up to and including the revelation at the end that Clark was looking at the world through a filter of his own, doing what we all do - focusing on the polarized extremes and missing the whole truth.
For another, it takes the three principles of the film, and uses them to craft an allegorical tale stressing the importance of communication across cultural divides and the perils of succumbing to xenophobia, paranoia, and a biased media.
Lastly, it uses the characters of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman to represent different eras of myth in both pop culture and antiquity.
In essence, this film takes what Miller did with DKR, swaps the roles around a bit, and ties them more firmly to the modern geopolitical climate, all while doing honor to the history of comics as a medium in general, and the history of the DC characters in particular.
i like it because i feel like i'm actually watching a movie and not a two-hour long tv episode
Lucas Walker
I can explain to you why I disliked it. 1) Superman is reduced to a secondary character in his own film. 2) Lex Luthor is reduced to a ADHD Zuckerberg with none of the control that the character is known and loved for. 3) The color gradient used for this film makes everything look bland and unappealing without actually adding character to the film 4) The theatrical release cuts out crucial parts of the plot and stores them away for the extended edition (not technically an error with the film, but an underhanded business decision nonetheless) 5) The death of Superman plotline is spent on the SECOND MOVIE OF THE FRANCHISE
Honestly, this entire film is what convinced me that Snyder had no idea what to do with Superman. Man of Steel wasn't perfect, but at the very least it was the groundwork for establishing the Superman that we all know and love. BvS, however, made it abundantly clear that Snyder was only interested in Batman, and was completely willing to send Superman into the shadows, to the point of literally sending him to an early grave.
Dominic Russell
Snyder WANTED to do MoS 2 for the second installment in the DCEU, but WB forced him to incorporate Batman because MoS didn't make 1 billion+.
James Miller
>1) Superman is reduced to a secondary character in his own film. Since when was this his own film? >2) Lex Luthor is reduced to a ADHD Zuckerberg with none of the control that the character is known and loved for. Literally "NOT MUH LECKS". Hackman didn't have any control he was a crook con-man, barely any resemblance to the old Lex besides he's bald. >3) The color gradient used for this film makes everything look bland and unappealing without actually adding character to the film Don't know what you're talking about, it looked dark but beautiful. >4) The theatrical release cuts out crucial parts of the plot and stores them away for the extended edition (not technically an error with the film, but an underhanded business decision nonetheless) Legitimate criticism. I applaud you. >5) The death of Superman plotline is spent on the SECOND MOVIE OF THE FRANCHISE This isn't the last of Doomsday, they confirmed it. It's not really Death of Superman as it is Superman dying and coming back again
Xavier Green
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Zachary Cook
This is probably also why it took three years after MoS before we saw a second DCEU movie, even though now we're getting 2+ a year.
Jonathan White
knightfall sucked ass
Julian Reyes
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Logan Miller
The movie spends way too much time with Lois and she's far too important to the plot.
Nolan Lopez
So? This is also the first time Lois has actually been played by an attractive actress.
Christopher Ramirez
>1) Superman is reduced to a secondary character in his own film. Not a critique >2) Lex Luthor is reduced to a ADHD Zuckerberg with none of the control that the character is known and loved for. Not a critique >3) The color gradient used for this film makes everything look bland and unappealing without actually adding character to the film Literally not a critique, are you fucking serious? >4) The theatrical release cuts out crucial parts of the plot and stores them away for the extended edition (not technically an error with the film, but an underhanded business decision nonetheless) Borderline not a critique, what exactly do you feel the theatrical cut lacked in terms of plot that the ultimate edition refined? There's nothing wrong with the theatrical cut. >5) The death of Superman plotline is spent on the SECOND MOVIE OF THE FRANCHISE Not a critique, go back to Sup Forums
Ryder Diaz
this is pretty much batfleck and there is nothing wrong with it. he's a vigilante not a fucking priest
Michael Allen
So it's a huge waste of time in a very long movie.
And it really doesn't matter how attractive she is.
Jordan Adams
You can dance around it all you want, meme it to death for all I care.
The truth is that it was poorly executed in almosy every respect.
And at the end of the day...DC fans just deserve better than this.
Noah Robinson
Yes it does, makes her nice to look at. If my eyes are pleased my time ain't being wasted.
Blake Gomez
Yeah, and that serves as a great example of where Bruce was in this film - out of control and in jeopardy of losing himself completely. I have no trouble believing this is a Bruce who lost a partner and had no one there to stop him from killing the man responsible.
This time around, the Batman is getting an honest treatment. As opposed to it only being the Valley "Batman" who is the killer, Bruce is shown past his line, and what he becomes when he's past his line - not a hero; just a vigilante.
Aaron Walker
nice headcanon
Carson Phillips
Imagine being so obsessed with capeshit to the point that you make it a part of your daily routine to post and repost the same thread over and over again, about a movie about superheroes from over a year ago on the television and film board of a website centered around japanese cartoons, multiple times per day, and the only purpose you have for doing so is to get random people online to reply to your thread.
Lincoln Young
You're vapid if you support an inordinate amount of screentime dedicated to a pretty girl rather than character development or theme exploration.
Ryder Gray
cry more
Colton Long
Oh yeah. Total headcanon. Nothing at all to support what I'm saying.
Luke Thompson
>5) The death of Superman plotline is spent on the SECOND MOVIE OF THE FRANCHISE And? Seriously, are you implying you'd want Doomsday to be a franchise ending villain? Are fucking stupid? Doomsday is a plot device to get Superman out of the way for a while. Doomsday's never successfully put down Superman for good.
David Hill
Their reaction to the film is proof that they don't deserve better. They praise it like scripture and won't admit to any flaw and simply claim that the people that don't like it are ignorant.
Joshua Miller
And you're a homo if you don't watch movies with your dick in your hands.
Jaxson Clark
Also >inb4 le spear staff Jason Todd is the most violent Robin
Noah Reed
All of those are criticism
Chase Collins
No need with your mom blowing me.
Jason Jenkins
No they're the incoherent ramblings of someone (a manchild) who didn't get what they want
Oliver Cooper
I'm half-convinced it's what gave Bruce his wicked scar.
James Lee
1. Unsubstantiated claim 2. Another one 3. Failure to elaborate or explain 4. Crucial parts like? 5. You're not even saying it was bad you're just sperging about chronology
You've proved OP right. Try again, brainlet.
Carson Butler
>Robin's costume totally proves my fan theory 100% guys! M-my dad works for Zack Snyder and he told me the hidden backstory!
Ryder Green
Nah, all it took was not being profoundly retarded.
Gavin Fisher
Its a meme, these "glowing" crtitiques are sarcastic exagerations, most DC fans were dissapointed but didnt hate it.
The meme is that people who hated it pretend its some landmark earthshattering film, only dummies take them seriously.
Kevin Jones
>complains because the movie is shit >YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT The absolute state of DC.
Landon Sullivan
It's absolutely not a meme. Believe it or not different people can see the same film in different ways. I spend so much time defending it because I truly care about it.
Luis White
Maybe it was at one time, but .
Dylan Reyes
I want a good movie
Brandon Thompson
No you don't.
Sebastian Ortiz
I ride this movie's dick, but it is flawed. Seriously, there is some fucked camera work, one too many separate narrative threads, and more than one plot contrivance.
But I also think it's a brilliant take on the superhero story in general, and examines both Superman and Batman's reasons for doing what they do much more effectively than previous films about the characters. In addition, there is some fucking gorgeous imagery in the film, and while some of the meme "SNYDER IS GOD" compilations are reaching hard, there are some genuinely awesome visual parallels that take place over the course of the movie. It's an ambitious movie that fucked up a bit in some regards, but had enough positives to make up for those stumbles.
Thomas Ward
And I'm with you. I don't think it's an untouchable masterpiece, but I get tired of seeing people criticize for all the wrong reasons. I have one criticism of it, myself - editing. I understand what he was doing with all the backward reveals on things, but it's a bridge too far for a lot of people. Only fans, really dedicated fans would pick up on their real importance to the story.
Unfortunately, I'm out for the night, but have a good one fellow DCbro.
Blake Cruz
From a purely technical view, it is a failed movie. In this regard you emotions are irrelevant when the the film makes basic professional mistakes.
We arent arguing the same point. No one can take away your feels, but we cand address the real technical problems this movie had. Whatever fundamental flaw that dredges up and your reaction to it are for you to deal with.
DC fans deserve better.
Liam Thomas
that's cause you can't even explain your opinions with any reasoning, it's just I didn't like it, so it's shit or I don't caare, it's shit, it just is! over and over again. Why would anyone listen to a retard who can't use reasoning to back up what they say.
Elijah Hernandez
This is the problem with you DCfags, you can't accept criticism. Also don't even reply. let the thread die.OP will make it again tomorrow.
Wyatt Robinson
You're wrong. Ive been to alot of these threads. You faggots reach so hard for your head cannon its ridiculous.
Liam Sullivan
The pleb hates what the does not understand.
Xavier Johnson
Every time I see a thread about BvS there are always critics. Whatever. People have different opinions.
What's frustrating is when these "critics" make these unsubstantiated claims about the film's "flaws" by simply stating that there are flaws without listing examples. Why the fuck should anyone listen to your opinion if you're too braindead to provide at least one example backing it up? All this vague bullshit is not a critique.
>some fucked camera work Show me
>most DC fans were dissapointed How the fuck do you know that, guy?
This entire post
Case in point. These """critics"""" are brain addled charlatans who have no idea how to write or analyze media more complex than Sesame Street.
Christopher Wood
No, oceans of ink and hours of commentary have gone into dissecting why this film is a fucking piece of shit. Your earnest dumfuk review years after it's release will convince exactly no one it's anything more than an unwatchable turd.
Isaiah Smith
I'm not the other guy, I'm , but before I go, I just wanted to say that the overwhelming bulk of the criticisms we see insist on viewing this movie with "dumb blockbuster" goggles, when there's way too much analysis, all consistent, all in keeping with the lore and the characters and the running themes, that absolutely points to the contrary.
Caleb Russell
I don't have the webm, but the video game style zoom in on Batfleck when he shot doomsday was pretty stupid.
Tyler Brown
Is this thread gonna be a daily thing now?
Elijah Harris
>Why would anyone listen to a retard who can't use reasoning to back up what they say. Why indeed? Why do so many people listen to and agree with criticism of this film? Perhaps because they felt the same way about it?
Brayden Williams
Most of the things we're saying right now, we were already pointing out a month after its release. All the intervening year has done is expand the evidence that backs every single thing we claim.
Jeremiah Clark
>What's frustrating is when these "critics" make these unsubstantiated claims about the film's "flaws" by simply stating that there are flaws without listing examples. Why the fuck should anyone listen to your opinion if you're too braindead to provide at least one example backing it up? All this vague bullshit is not a critique. Welcome to literally every thread on this board. Getting people to explain their opinions is like wringing water out of a rock. It's certainly not exclusive to BvS-haters.
Jose Nelson
That shot bugs me so much because Batman's position doesn't line up with where the shot came from. It's so distracting.
Lincoln Nelson
Because the movie is such a mess and disaster its almost over whelming.
Kevin Wilson
Well, the film in my opinion isn't even bad, it's actually quite good. If I had to score it, it would be probably a 7 out of 10. However it does have flaws that are fairly pointed out but usually in a retarded way and or memes. This entire plot should have been reserved for towards the end of the DCCU so Batman and Superman would have more reasons to fight not even mentioning it would be more personal and engaging to the audience eg Superman having problems with how they tackled problems over the years and Batman resenting Superman for working with the government. The delivery of the lines when Batman has the spear on Superman. Cavill and Affleck are geniunely good throughout the entire movie until this single point and it is really bad. It is as if they took the real scene and imported the audio from a gay porno parody and it's made fun of rightly so. The last problem would probably be the representations of some characters eg Batman and no some comic from 1946 doesn't validate his actions when he is a very modern Batman and the Batman character itself has been changed rigorously throughout the years. Other than that the movie is great, fantastic camerawork, imagery that is obvious in some places but subtle in others. This movie gets shit on way too much and it shouldn't.
Joseph Collins
>Another thread where people explain their problems with the movies, and diehard DC fanboys plug their ears and say "no valid criticism" while also pretending all critics are shills or idiots. Could be some people just didn't like the movie, guys.
Cameron Perez
Literally impossible this movie is perfect in every way. You just can't understand.
Kayden Harris
Isn't this text being copypasted twice a day?
Grayson Morgan
Three straight days of this pasta, huh?
Christopher Bailey
The soundtrack was fucking bitchin' and it frustrates me when people say it was just nothing but Hans bwongs.
I think the soundtrack is more clever than people give it credit for. Like how Lex's theme is Supes' them played off-key and backwards. Those four simple notes carry the whole film.
Jaxon Carter
Are you saying that people that say they don't like this film are lying?
Liam Garcia
Yes.
Kevin Nguyen
>I think the soundtrack is more clever than people give it credit for. Like how Lex's theme is Supes' them played off-key and backwards.
That's babbers first "how to write a variation on a theme" technique
Michael Rogers
It lines up. Our PoV starts facing Doomsday. The grenade comes from our right. The PoV then pulls back a bit, swivels right, and zooms in on Bruce.
Believe it or not, I think there's even a message in that. It's commentary on what our role should be in fighting the world's latest crop of monsters.
Joseph Bennett
This film's score is not memorable in the slightest. The Man of Steel theme, however, is.
Carson Anderson
Wonder Woman's theme is the only one that really stood out to me and I was very surprised when I found out it was specifically supposed to be her theme because it felt more like a "theme of the movie" or something.
David Howard
Could you show me some examples of other media doing that? I'm genuinely curious, it's a fun concept.
Ian Gomez
It's also ripped off from the Spy Kids soundtrack because Zimmer is tired of capeshit music.
Gavin Flores
Have you never listened to a single piece of classical music in your entire life, ever?
Christian Anderson
It's a little more involved than just that, but yeah, that's where it starts - a bars-reversed variation that becomes increasingly Faustian as it proceeds. The staccato strings and percussion are nice, too, suggestive of a clockwork.
Julian Allen
My flight negro. Unironically the best thing to come out of this universe.
Dylan Hill
the ability to put 2 and 2 together is now a buzzword, you wouldn't feel that way if you do basic reasoning.
>86122077 >felt >other people
so you don't have shit other than a scrambld impression of the film and going with group think. explains why you can't be more specific with your opinions.
Eli Rivera
I can agree. Also, though under-utilised, Jeremy Irons as Alfred is great.
Elijah Foster
Reminder that Zack Snyder finally made Doomsday interesting and not a single Sup Forumscksucker thanked him for it. He's too good for us.
Luis Mitchell
I looked that up, and that's the most bullshit stretch I've seen in a while.
Andrew Gray
No he didn't.
Easton Martinez
>putting BLM in your movie How cucked can you get?
Dylan Turner
I think Zimmer only sounds samey because when you're constantly employed like he is you start to phone it in a bit.
Lucas Collins
Go make your HAHAHAHA threads again Pajeet
Jaxon Collins
Yeah he did. Original Doomsday has no personal connection to Superman. This one does. The ghost of Zod.
Christian Ramirez
...What? What exactly is interesting about this interpretation of Doomsday? Doomsday always fucking sucked. When I heard Lex utter the word doomsday I internally thought "FUCK" because I hate Doomsday.
Justin Thompson
the MoS theme is amazing and it's sad that it was paired with such a garbage movie
Levi Adams
Oh fuck off, I'm not saying I've never heard of a variation on a theme, I'm asking if you can think of any other movies where the score does the hero's theme in reverse for the villain. I'm sure there are, and I wanted to know where else that happens.
Cameron White
You are tone deaf then, mate. Bet you also didn't know that Hans Zimmer copied his own work for Disney Pirates from Muppet Treasure Island.
Mason Walker
>i-i-its head cannon totally guiz the absolute state of Mar/v/edditors
Gabriel James
Him literally being the mutated body of Zod coming back to life in retribution for Superman killing him is way more interesting than him just being some asshole that just shows up and throws down with Supes.
Adam Bailey
You sound retarded. Doomsday was literally 2 minutes of screen time and he was a generic Frankenstein's monster. That's played out and stupid.
Jose Clark
>implying based Marvel doesn't want DC to do good for a healthy amount of variety.
Lucas Brown
The way you put it would be interesting, yes, but not in the sense it was portrayed in the movie. He was still just a dumb generic-looking monster with generic powers like absorbing energy.
Owen Harris
kys
Jose Hill
As the babbling retard is quick to dispell any notion that he might anything more than that.
John Bell
But Snyder himself justified it with "Batman killed in DKR" which not only did he not but they specifically remind you multiple times in the book that he isn't killing people. And it becomes a plot point later on.
Jayden Williams
What criticism? You mean blatant shitposting like Who are literally just memeing and being condescending little faggots in general
Noah Allen
I would say it could be used for a future Superman movie, but I don't think a good Superman movie will ever be made.
Dominic Allen
Yeah, basically it's an extremely butthurt false-flagger trying to spam a proffered opinion into irrelevancy through repitition. That "pasta" didn't exist prior to three days ago when I typed it up in response to someone who insisted that no fan could offer them reasons for why they liked this film. This is the depths to which their hatred actually runs.
And on that note, good night.
Andrew Wright
Wow, Zack Snyder's a few steps behind the fucking Resident Evil franchise when it comes to resurrecting a dead villain as a giant humanoid monster. Bravo.
Thomas Allen
he killed the joker he literally hallucinates joker killing himself so he wont have to feel guilty about killing him