Why are people who hate this film so completely incapable of expressing actual reasons why they dislike it...

Why are people who hate this film so completely incapable of expressing actual reasons why they dislike it? They just shitpost and meme their way out of it.

Meanwhile, I can explain exactly why it's good.

For starters, its use of the leitmotif of perception versus reality plays into literally everything happening, up to and including the revelation at the end that Clark was looking at the world through a filter of his own, doing what we all do - focusing on the polarized extremes and missing the whole truth.

For another, it takes the three principles of the film, and uses them to craft an allegorical tale stressing the importance of communication across cultural divides and the perils of succumbing to xenophobia, paranoia, and a biased media.

Lastly, it uses the characters of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman to represent different eras of myth in both pop culture and antiquity.

In essence, this film takes what Miller did with DKR, swaps the roles around a bit, and ties them more firmly to the modern geopolitical climate, all while doing honor to the history of comics as a medium in general, and the history of the DC characters in particular.

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Stop the fucking falseflag threads you mouseguat.

i like it because i feel like i'm actually watching a movie and not a two-hour long tv episode

I can explain to you why I disliked it.
1) Superman is reduced to a secondary character in his own film.
2) Lex Luthor is reduced to a ADHD Zuckerberg with none of the control that the character is known and loved for.
3) The color gradient used for this film makes everything look bland and unappealing without actually adding character to the film
4) The theatrical release cuts out crucial parts of the plot and stores them away for the extended edition (not technically an error with the film, but an underhanded business decision nonetheless)
5) The death of Superman plotline is spent on the SECOND MOVIE OF THE FRANCHISE

Honestly, this entire film is what convinced me that Snyder had no idea what to do with Superman. Man of Steel wasn't perfect, but at the very least it was the groundwork for establishing the Superman that we all know and love. BvS, however, made it abundantly clear that Snyder was only interested in Batman, and was completely willing to send Superman into the shadows, to the point of literally sending him to an early grave.

Snyder WANTED to do MoS 2 for the second installment in the DCEU, but WB forced him to incorporate Batman because MoS didn't make 1 billion+.

>1) Superman is reduced to a secondary character in his own film.
Since when was this his own film?
>2) Lex Luthor is reduced to a ADHD Zuckerberg with none of the control that the character is known and loved for.
Literally "NOT MUH LECKS". Hackman didn't have any control he was a crook con-man, barely any resemblance to the old Lex besides he's bald.
>3) The color gradient used for this film makes everything look bland and unappealing without actually adding character to the film
Don't know what you're talking about, it looked dark but beautiful.
>4) The theatrical release cuts out crucial parts of the plot and stores them away for the extended edition (not technically an error with the film, but an underhanded business decision nonetheless)
Legitimate criticism. I applaud you.
>5) The death of Superman plotline is spent on the SECOND MOVIE OF THE FRANCHISE
This isn't the last of Doomsday, they confirmed it. It's not really Death of Superman as it is Superman dying and coming back again

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This is probably also why it took three years after MoS before we saw a second DCEU movie, even though now we're getting 2+ a year.

knightfall sucked ass

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The movie spends way too much time with Lois and she's far too important to the plot.

So? This is also the first time Lois has actually been played by an attractive actress.

>1) Superman is reduced to a secondary character in his own film.
Not a critique
>2) Lex Luthor is reduced to a ADHD Zuckerberg with none of the control that the character is known and loved for.
Not a critique
>3) The color gradient used for this film makes everything look bland and unappealing without actually adding character to the film
Literally not a critique, are you fucking serious?
>4) The theatrical release cuts out crucial parts of the plot and stores them away for the extended edition (not technically an error with the film, but an underhanded business decision nonetheless)
Borderline not a critique, what exactly do you feel the theatrical cut lacked in terms of plot that the ultimate edition refined? There's nothing wrong with the theatrical cut.
>5) The death of Superman plotline is spent on the SECOND MOVIE OF THE FRANCHISE
Not a critique, go back to Sup Forums

this is pretty much batfleck and there is nothing wrong with it.
he's a vigilante not a fucking priest

So it's a huge waste of time in a very long movie.

And it really doesn't matter how attractive she is.

You can dance around it all you want, meme it to death for all I care.

The truth is that it was poorly executed in almosy every respect.

And at the end of the day...DC fans just deserve better than this.

Yes it does, makes her nice to look at. If my eyes are pleased my time ain't being wasted.

Yeah, and that serves as a great example of where Bruce was in this film - out of control and in jeopardy of losing himself completely. I have no trouble believing this is a Bruce who lost a partner and had no one there to stop him from killing the man responsible.

This time around, the Batman is getting an honest treatment. As opposed to it only being the Valley "Batman" who is the killer, Bruce is shown past his line, and what he becomes when he's past his line - not a hero; just a vigilante.

nice headcanon

Imagine being so obsessed with capeshit to the point that you make it a part of your daily routine to post and repost the same thread over and over again, about a movie about superheroes from over a year ago on the television and film board of a website centered around japanese cartoons, multiple times per day, and the only purpose you have for doing so is to get random people online to reply to your thread.

You're vapid if you support an inordinate amount of screentime dedicated to a pretty girl rather than character development or theme exploration.

cry more

Oh yeah. Total headcanon. Nothing at all to support what I'm saying.

>5) The death of Superman plotline is spent on the SECOND MOVIE OF THE FRANCHISE
And? Seriously, are you implying you'd want Doomsday to be a franchise ending villain? Are fucking stupid? Doomsday is a plot device to get Superman out of the way for a while. Doomsday's never successfully put down Superman for good.

Their reaction to the film is proof that they don't deserve better.
They praise it like scripture and won't admit to any flaw and simply claim that the people that don't like it are ignorant.

And you're a homo if you don't watch movies with your dick in your hands.

Also >inb4 le spear staff
Jason Todd is the most violent Robin

All of those are criticism

No need with your mom blowing me.

No they're the incoherent ramblings of someone (a manchild) who didn't get what they want

I'm half-convinced it's what gave Bruce his wicked scar.

1. Unsubstantiated claim
2. Another one
3. Failure to elaborate or explain
4. Crucial parts like?
5. You're not even saying it was bad you're just sperging about chronology

You've proved OP right. Try again, brainlet.

>Robin's costume totally proves my fan theory 100% guys! M-my dad works for Zack Snyder and he told me the hidden backstory!

Nah, all it took was not being profoundly retarded.

Its a meme, these "glowing" crtitiques are sarcastic exagerations, most DC fans were dissapointed but didnt hate it.

The meme is that people who hated it pretend its some landmark earthshattering film, only dummies take them seriously.

>complains because the movie is shit
>YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT
The absolute state of DC.

It's absolutely not a meme. Believe it or not different people can see the same film in different ways. I spend so much time defending it because I truly care about it.

Maybe it was at one time, but .

I want a good movie

No you don't.

I ride this movie's dick, but it is flawed. Seriously, there is some fucked camera work, one too many separate narrative threads, and more than one plot contrivance.

But I also think it's a brilliant take on the superhero story in general, and examines both Superman and Batman's reasons for doing what they do much more effectively than previous films about the characters. In addition, there is some fucking gorgeous imagery in the film, and while some of the meme "SNYDER IS GOD" compilations are reaching hard, there are some genuinely awesome visual parallels that take place over the course of the movie.
It's an ambitious movie that fucked up a bit in some regards, but had enough positives to make up for those stumbles.

And I'm with you. I don't think it's an untouchable masterpiece, but I get tired of seeing people criticize for all the wrong reasons. I have one criticism of it, myself - editing. I understand what he was doing with all the backward reveals on things, but it's a bridge too far for a lot of people. Only fans, really dedicated fans would pick up on their real importance to the story.

Unfortunately, I'm out for the night, but have a good one fellow DCbro.

From a purely technical view, it is a failed movie. In this regard you emotions are irrelevant when the the film makes basic professional mistakes.

We arent arguing the same point. No one can take away your feels, but we cand address the real technical problems this movie had. Whatever fundamental flaw that dredges up and your reaction to it are for you to deal with.

DC fans deserve better.

that's cause you can't even explain your opinions with any reasoning, it's just I didn't like it, so it's shit or I don't caare, it's shit, it just is! over and over again. Why would anyone listen to a retard who can't use reasoning to back up what they say.

This is the problem with you DCfags, you can't accept criticism. Also don't even reply. let the thread die.OP will make it again tomorrow.

You're wrong. Ive been to alot of these threads. You faggots reach so hard for your head cannon its ridiculous.

The pleb hates what the does not understand.

Every time I see a thread about BvS there are always critics. Whatever. People have different opinions.

What's frustrating is when these "critics" make these unsubstantiated claims about the film's "flaws" by simply stating that there are flaws without listing examples. Why the fuck should anyone listen to your opinion if you're too braindead to provide at least one example backing it up? All this vague bullshit is not a critique.

>some fucked camera work
Show me

>most DC fans were dissapointed
How the fuck do you know that, guy?

This entire post

Case in point. These """critics"""" are brain addled charlatans who have no idea how to write or analyze media more complex than Sesame Street.

No, oceans of ink and hours of commentary have gone into dissecting why this film is a fucking piece of shit. Your earnest dumfuk review years after it's release will convince exactly no one it's anything more than an unwatchable turd.

I'm not the other guy, I'm , but before I go, I just wanted to say that the overwhelming bulk of the criticisms we see insist on viewing this movie with "dumb blockbuster" goggles, when there's way too much analysis, all consistent, all in keeping with the lore and the characters and the running themes, that absolutely points to the contrary.

I don't have the webm, but the video game style zoom in on Batfleck when he shot doomsday was pretty stupid.

Is this thread gonna be a daily thing now?

>Why would anyone listen to a retard who can't use reasoning to back up what they say.
Why indeed? Why do so many people listen to and agree with criticism of this film? Perhaps because they felt the same way about it?

Most of the things we're saying right now, we were already pointing out a month after its release. All the intervening year has done is expand the evidence that backs every single thing we claim.

>What's frustrating is when these "critics" make these unsubstantiated claims about the film's "flaws" by simply stating that there are flaws without listing examples. Why the fuck should anyone listen to your opinion if you're too braindead to provide at least one example backing it up? All this vague bullshit is not a critique.
Welcome to literally every thread on this board. Getting people to explain their opinions is like wringing water out of a rock. It's certainly not exclusive to BvS-haters.

That shot bugs me so much because Batman's position doesn't line up with where the shot came from.
It's so distracting.

Because the movie is such a mess and disaster its almost over whelming.

Well, the film in my opinion isn't even bad, it's actually quite good. If I had to score it, it would be probably a 7 out of 10. However it does have flaws that are fairly pointed out but usually in a retarded way and or memes. This entire plot should have been reserved for towards the end of the DCCU so Batman and Superman would have more reasons to fight not even mentioning it would be more personal and engaging to the audience eg Superman having problems with how they tackled problems over the years and Batman resenting Superman for working with the government. The delivery of the lines when Batman has the spear on Superman. Cavill and Affleck are geniunely good throughout the entire movie until this single point and it is really bad. It is as if they took the real scene and imported the audio from a gay porno parody and it's made fun of rightly so. The last problem would probably be the representations of some characters eg Batman and no some comic from 1946 doesn't validate his actions when he is a very modern Batman and the Batman character itself has been changed rigorously throughout the years. Other than that the movie is great, fantastic camerawork, imagery that is obvious in some places but subtle in others. This movie gets shit on way too much and it shouldn't.

>Another thread where people explain their problems with the movies, and diehard DC fanboys plug their ears and say "no valid criticism" while also pretending all critics are shills or idiots.
Could be some people just didn't like the movie, guys.

Literally impossible this movie is perfect in every way. You just can't understand.

Isn't this text being copypasted twice a day?

Three straight days of this pasta, huh?

The soundtrack was fucking bitchin' and it frustrates me when people say it was just nothing but Hans bwongs.

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I think the soundtrack is more clever than people give it credit for. Like how Lex's theme is Supes' them played off-key and backwards. Those four simple notes carry the whole film.

Are you saying that people that say they don't like this film are lying?

Yes.

>I think the soundtrack is more clever than people give it credit for. Like how Lex's theme is Supes' them played off-key and backwards.

That's babbers first "how to write a variation on a theme" technique

It lines up. Our PoV starts facing Doomsday. The grenade comes from our right. The PoV then pulls back a bit, swivels right, and zooms in on Bruce.

Believe it or not, I think there's even a message in that. It's commentary on what our role should be in fighting the world's latest crop of monsters.

This film's score is not memorable in the slightest.
The Man of Steel theme, however, is.

Wonder Woman's theme is the only one that really stood out to me and I was very surprised when I found out it was specifically supposed to be her theme because it felt more like a "theme of the movie" or something.

Could you show me some examples of other media doing that? I'm genuinely curious, it's a fun concept.

It's also ripped off from the Spy Kids soundtrack because Zimmer is tired of capeshit music.

Have you never listened to a single piece of classical music in your entire life, ever?

It's a little more involved than just that, but yeah, that's where it starts - a bars-reversed variation that becomes increasingly Faustian as it proceeds. The staccato strings and percussion are nice, too, suggestive of a clockwork.

My flight negro. Unironically the best thing to come out of this universe.

the ability to put 2 and 2 together is now a buzzword, you wouldn't feel that way if you do basic reasoning.

>86122077
>felt
>other people

so you don't have shit other than a scrambld impression of the film and going with group think. explains why you can't be more specific with your opinions.

I can agree.
Also, though under-utilised, Jeremy Irons as Alfred is great.

Reminder that Zack Snyder finally made Doomsday interesting and not a single Sup Forumscksucker thanked him for it. He's too good for us.

I looked that up, and that's the most bullshit stretch I've seen in a while.

No he didn't.

>putting BLM in your movie
How cucked can you get?

I think Zimmer only sounds samey because when you're constantly employed like he is you start to phone it in a bit.

Go make your HAHAHAHA threads again Pajeet

Yeah he did. Original Doomsday has no personal connection to Superman. This one does. The ghost of Zod.

...What? What exactly is interesting about this interpretation of Doomsday? Doomsday always fucking sucked. When I heard Lex utter the word doomsday I internally thought "FUCK" because I hate Doomsday.

the MoS theme is amazing and it's sad that it was paired with such a garbage movie

Oh fuck off, I'm not saying I've never heard of a variation on a theme, I'm asking if you can think of any other movies where the score does the hero's theme in reverse for the villain. I'm sure there are, and I wanted to know where else that happens.

You are tone deaf then, mate. Bet you also didn't know that Hans Zimmer copied his own work for Disney Pirates from Muppet Treasure Island.

>i-i-its head cannon totally guiz
the absolute state of Mar/v/edditors

Him literally being the mutated body of Zod coming back to life in retribution for Superman killing him is way more interesting than him just being some asshole that just shows up and throws down with Supes.

You sound retarded. Doomsday was literally 2 minutes of screen time and he was a generic Frankenstein's monster. That's played out and stupid.

>implying based Marvel doesn't want DC to do good for a healthy amount of variety.

The way you put it would be interesting, yes, but not in the sense it was portrayed in the movie. He was still just a dumb generic-looking monster with generic powers like absorbing energy.

kys

As the babbling retard is quick to dispell any notion that he might anything more than that.

But Snyder himself justified it with "Batman killed in DKR" which not only did he not but they specifically remind you multiple times in the book that he isn't killing people. And it becomes a plot point later on.

What criticism? You mean blatant shitposting like
Who are literally just memeing and being condescending little faggots in general

I would say it could be used for a future Superman movie, but I don't think a good Superman movie will ever be made.

Yeah, basically it's an extremely butthurt false-flagger trying to spam a proffered opinion into irrelevancy through repitition. That "pasta" didn't exist prior to three days ago when I typed it up in response to someone who insisted that no fan could offer them reasons for why they liked this film. This is the depths to which their hatred actually runs.

And on that note, good night.

Wow, Zack Snyder's a few steps behind the fucking Resident Evil franchise when it comes to resurrecting a dead villain as a giant humanoid monster. Bravo.

he killed the joker
he literally hallucinates joker killing himself so he wont have to feel guilty about killing him