How are conservative values to be reintroduced in today's "post modern" society...

How are conservative values to be reintroduced in today's "post modern" society? We all know how the left has been actively rejecting the old virtues that created the powerful nations of today and brandishing them as "obsolete" or "biggoted".

The essential nuclear family unit instead of being praised, has been painted as oppressive.

The valuable attitudes of strength and self improvement have been shunned as offensive to the weak and outcasts.

The original appreciation of liberty has been used as an excuse to promote socially corrosive behaviors like cultural Marxism.

The unifying Christian religion of our ancestors has been tarred as "not inclusive enough" for demanding restrain instead of promoting indulgence.

And if all that wasn't enough after the Brexit it was apparent that a lot of the youth honestly believe that they are smarter than the older populations just because they are in a university. This is some serious level of arrogance can only lead to disaster and somehow people keep falling for it.

im seriously concerned that the damage is already done, that we are just postponing the inevitable fall of the current roman empire. And if that is the case what will the new dark ages look like, a post nuclear wasteland? There surely has to be a way of stopping this...right?

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By slogging through regardless of what retards want to believe.

Moses kept his people wandering for 40 years until the older generation died off.

He knew he couldn't make free men of those who knew only slavery.

Contemplate this on the tree of woe.

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Well you can't do it through religion, because these atheistic communist furfags start foaming at the mouth once you mention it.

Thank you pajeet

Yeah but the libtards are quickly becoming the majority. There has to be a way of stopping this before it causes a full collapse of our civilizations

Post-modern society will be dead soon enough. Reforming it is counter-productive.The weak will not survive and the strong will build new civilization based on values of their choice.

Embrace radical islam.

Kill the opposition, degenerates and sluts.

Implant 1984-style autocratic government.

Cut welfare funding to only those who truly cannot work (be it due to age or actual health conditions like losing a leg or partial paralysis, not high-functioning autism)
But that will never happen because that means losing most of the voters.

I mean it would solve single mother issues, nigger issues, muslim/african immigrant issues etc.

This is the 100 million dollar question OP

I really don't know the answer

>Contemplate this on the tree of woe.
Undermutherfuckingrated.

>How are conservative values to be reintroduced in today's "post modern" society?

Islam is the only realistic way. Even the rightwing conservatives has rejected most conservative values. and so has christians.

>The essential nuclear family unit instead of being praised, has been painted as oppressive.

Except by muslims. The nuclear family is viewed as problematic by the left and the right because everyone wants to support homosexuals.

>The valuable attitudes of strength and self improvement have been shunned as offensive to the weak and outcasts.

Except by muslims which is the only group where being weak is seen as shameful.

Idk norgebro, Islam may be less degenerate than the current stance but its still really degenerate by itself. They still support harems, inbreeding and pedophilia.

I appreciate this question. I started a thread the other day that got 0 replies.

The future is most likely dystopian, but which dystopia is the real question. I would question whether there is much physical labor that isn't already going to be done by machines/AI by about 2090.

However, by this time, we're either going to be living in a very dark place that knows no such thing as an actual republic, or some sort of totalitarian hell hole where the people are OK with their rulers in control because the millennials of today are finally over their obsessive inclusivity doctrine that eroded their "culture".

Remember, we've been fearing the "sleeping bear" that is China since the 80s. Reagan's cabinet knew all out war would result in global devastation, so they made policy changes they saw fit to intertwine our economies so as to make dismantling them a precursor to war (which neither of us really want to do).

However, I don't think anyone could foresee the Islamification of western society that has happened rapidly in the past 10 years in Europe. The U.S. is seeing this influx as well.

Just look at Minnesota. Fucking Minnesota of all places!

Rome fell because the people in Rome were too diverse and widespread. This is similar to Britain whose control over most of the world ended when different colonies wanted solidarity and nationalism. All nations inevitably want solidarity, because their baseline social structure is what makes them different. People assume, likewise, that monarchy will fix everything, and that we should replace all government with monarchies; While I am a monarchist, I don't believe that it should happen that quickly. Social order is what creates nation, monarchy, culture, morality etc. A human without social order is nomadic (this is reflected in internationalists like Jews, Muslims, etc, pushing their degeneracy on us); the nomadic lifestyle is essentially degenerate for good reason. If human populations ever reached such low count, the nomadic lifestyle would kick in, causing people to eat more, to have sex more, to become addicted more, etc, as a means of survival. One way this has been tricked into happening in the west, is because even though we're among millions of people, we feel alone and get depressed and degenerate. All of our social institutions (family, religion, etc) are all questioned, and this is why the social order is losing. Depression essentially is a form of loneliness. You ever hear of "Die of a broken heart"? It's an expression based around a medical condition where one person literally dies of a heart attack caused by depression or anxiety. Other depressed people commit suicide, and some others undereat until they eventually starve. Depression is a mechanism in our biology that kills off the social outcasts (those who are stigmatized by society or have high standards). Women and men are at opposite ends; women are depressed because they try so hard to conform to an imaginary bar, whereas men get depression because they're anti-social. cont'd

Embracing Islam is like using a stone knife because your steel knife is blunt. It might work, but it's an unnecessary huge step backwards when all you need to do is sharpen the knife

live by example
built a beautiful functioning, big family with your conservative values
make their children take pride in what they are and what they can accomplish
teach self reliance to your kids AND your friends.
That's right your friends. Once everyone around you sees how perfect your family works while their lives are shit, they will blame you, society, blablabla
So while you are showing them how it's done you have to convey to everyone else, that it's achievable for them too, if they admit their faults, work on themselves and strive to be better
Find people with the same values around you and strengthen that community, constantly expanding influence

I agree with you but also see that he has a point that could be used to subvert current leftist thinking through something that they praise, or at the very least refuse to condemn.

Painting the nuclear family unit as something highly respected amongst "repressed" nations or peoples could lend if favour amongst leftist narratives. We all know how they like to demonstrate how "culturally sensitive" they are by praising foreign norms, all we need to do (kek, as if it's this simple) is get them to view the nuclear family as a foreign import, which could be especially powerful as in many of the cultures where a nuclear family is still the standard, the man of the household continues to maintain a dominant position in the family.

Once we have more vocal support for the idea of the nuclear household, surely it would be easier to convert the proponents to a more nationalistic way of thinking, instead of leading with conservative values first and foremost?

Failing that, a good old fashioned war is probably the best hope.

Sleeping Bear is Russia. Sleeping Dragon is China.

Analects: [2:3] The Master said: “If you govern the people legalistically and control them by punishment, they will avoid crime, but have no personal sense of shame. If you govern them by means of virtue and control them with propriety, they will gain their own sense of shame, and thus correct themselves.”

The people think legalistically. We're ingrained with the fear of going to prison for breaking the law; this makes the law more of a sense of morality. But unlike morality, people don't feel guilty for breaking the law; the law exists to cause anxiety. The nomadic people of the west have no morality, because they have no social order. They're so legalistic that they need principles to govern them like "Non aggression principle" or "the golden rule", when no such principle exists in nature. Social order is the progenitor of morals, and only then can we really be a moral people. Some people on the right hate that white privilege is brought up, because it's used against their arguments of a libertarian paradise where all people are treated equal. Truth is, whiteness exists because people talk about blackness. We've never considered eachother the same when we were in Europe; there was no "white people"; everyone fought. This is because blackness creates a polarized whiteness as an identity. When we've reached natural solidarity, and one people is left alone to be with their own people and peers, the identity becomes stronger, and not just stronger, but it results in social harmony and order, and order that eventually turns into a sustainable system of governance, a monarchy usually, and the nomadicism disappears.

What we need is identity. The more someone says "Who is white" or "No true scotsman fallacy" or they say something like "Why be proud of something you can't control", the more they win. We need identity; we need strong identity, and that's only formed by yourself and the people within that identity, and by polarizing other identities.

But there's also the fact that most people in proximity to rome were jobless because of hyperinflation and moved to rome for welfare - this led to needing bigger tax to support the welfare, and more people evaded tax by either becoming voluntary slaves or not working at all and using welfare which led to a vicious cycle.

How many years until people who pay most of the tax (whites and asians mostly) get tired of feeding the bottom of the barrel which actively hates them because they aren't lazy and do something?

I can see how monarchies can make for a stable society but they only work when the majority of the kingdom recognizes themselves as part of it and feels real pride in defending it. This is why i think returning to ethnically homogeneous, monoreligious states is the solution. They are built in such a way that everyone inside has an easier time showing empathy to their fellow countrymen, as they know at least that they have at least a couple things in common.

I think the biggest issue i have with going back to monarchies is how do we decide who becomes the first king in the first place? We surely can't attribute it to divine right again without having hordes of skeptics shitting on you.

It will happen eventually, but there is no telling if by then the freeloaders are going to outnumber them 5 or 10 to 1

>bong with a knife analogy
10/10 good post and spot on metaphor

bump, best thread I've seen all day

Don't even really need monarchies, just appointment for life with possible impeachment/removal from function if shit gets too bad.

>cultural Marxism.
debunked conspiracy theory

You gullible turds fall for just about anything, don't cha?

Way to cherrypick one term. Care to give an actual argument?

>debunked :^)
wow really makes you think

>how to reintroduce values to post-modern society

You gotta go post-post-modern

The bigger the beast, the bigger the ticks.

I think Rome switching to Christianity also played a big part in its dissolution.

If Christianity really was so corrosive to empires then why did all the great powers of europe prospered with it afterwards?

>The unifying Christian religion of our ancestors has been tarred as "not inclusive enough" for demanding restrain instead of promoting indulgence.

"Not inclusive enough"…I'm not sure I take your meaning, care to elaborate?

>Way to cherrypick one term. Care to give an actual argument?
This isn't an argument. It's a fact.
Communism is dead. There's no threat of it anywhere in the world. The thousands of KGB agents need to maintain this infiltration and subversion operation are gone. No apparatus, no apparatchiks.

This is an argument:
"Cultural marxism" is a lie. It is deliberately fabricated propaganda crafted by liars. Sure, it makes it easy to spot the imbeciles in the chat rooms, but the only people stupid enough to fall for it are the most gullible, bone-jarringly retarded dumbasses on the planet.

And when you ask the bone-jarringly retarded dumbasses for any kind of evidence of "cultural marxism", all they can muster is the same 5 photoshopped images of fat girls with colored hair.

Cultural marxism itself is non-existent, but the right-wing propaganda is doing very well because of the extraordinary high number of fuckwits with zero critical thinking skills.

The people that embrace the lifestyles that go directly against Christian doctrine tend to call it "not inclusive" because it doesn't want them inside. The most obvious case is how homosexuals demand gay marriage to be recognised.

>The essential nuclear family unit instead of being praised, has been painted as oppressive.

No it hasn't. The nuclear family is just as critical as ever before. Don't blame others because you were raised in a broken home.

>The valuable attitudes of strength and self improvement have been shunned as offensive to the weak and outcasts.

Baseless statement where you are clearly trying to rationalize why you are such a fucking failure. Protip: people who are strong and capable of self-improvement are the ones with all the good jobs, houses, and loyal women. Weaklings like you are stuck on cesspools like Sup Forums for a reason, and you stay here forever because you can't take responsibility for yourself and instead choose to blame broad abstractions like "cultural marxism"

>The original appreciation of liberty has been used as an excuse to promote socially corrosive behaviors like cultural Marxism.

Mostly a meaningless statement, though see above

>The unifying Christian religion of our ancestors has been tarred as "not inclusive enough" for demanding restrain instead of promoting indulgence.

Christians are not persecuted. Tumblr != real life. Get off the internet.

Grow up and get a job faggot.

The coming Cull will take care of most of the deviants and SJW types. Easy to throw linguistic bombs and pollute a society when survival is not at stake.

After the fall, No amount of prancing with the ladyboys or screaming "equality NOW" will deliver water/food/safety. Those who survive will be forced to adopt a lifestyle and mindset more in line with those that provide the necessities.

When gov $ goes away and people are forced to live in a more natural state, gimmes, freaks, and SJWs will starve or be killed. Survivors will convert to the norm or die.

>everything would be better if everyone just started worshiping my favorite spirit
You're on the same level as goat fucking muzzies

Very well thought and well written. White Man knows what to do...he is just sad when he has to do it (again.)

Didn't say that. Romans had their gods (albeit borrowed from the Greeks), and their culture, and their traditions. When they switched to Christianity, they effectively took a gladius to their own roots. Going from the Coliseum to turn-the-other-cheek-bros CAN'T be healthy for your civilization.

>Easy to throw linguistic bombs and pollute a society when survival is not at stake.

so you're gonna be fucked then, since all you are capable of doing is fagposting on Sup Forums?

This can't be stopped. Especially not by a bunch of virgins on a Congolese mud Hut exposition forum.

People will do what they want and you're gonna have to deal with it. I don't want to have a family and to have kids. Not in the current financial fuckstorm

You wait until after the collapse.

Right now it's recruiting the numbers so the chances of the revival are better to account for those of us who will die beforehand/during it/go insane/get corrupted.

must have hit close to home to piss you off that much, lulz.

>HAHA U MAD

thanks for proving my point

>Don't blame others because you were raised in a broken home.

Agreed and let expand on that, please.

A large number of these spoiled retards are the ones who CAUSED their broken homes with their selfish, juvenile behavior.

The kids who went to college? They're educated now. They talk about ideas instead of gossiping about other people. They're out in the world being successful, not hiding in your mom's basement shitposting on the chans.

Go ahead, attack the anti-intellectualism so you can create more of your own miserable stripe. You've already proven how easy it is to manipulate you. The stupider you are, the more gullible you are, the less educated you are, the easier it is for you to be controlled.

You seem to be under the impression that what people call cultural marxism is an organization rather than a school of thought. The idea behind it is that all cultures are equal and none should be held up higher than other even if it has been proven to create more prosperous societies (See how islam is rarely critizised). This doesn't just stop at cultures though, it also corrodes into attitudes of individuals, you aren't allowed to judge or show disdain for anyone even if they are actively indulging in self harming behaviors (See Trannys and the majority of pride parades). These attitudes heavily undermine the traditional authorities that promoted strong roles and openly vilified the outcasts .

>The unifying Christian religion of our ancestors has been tarred as "not inclusive enough" for demanding restrain instead of promoting indulgence.

Any religious person will say the same about their shitty archaic religion. A Muslim will argue the same thing about Islam.

Exactly this.

islam

Nothing wrong with harems,

and islam is more against inbreeding than people in general. Muslims want to punish people for incest, while non-muslims here wants to allow them to marry.

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>The unifying Christian religion of our ancestors

Elite kek. The Christian religion divided Europe, hence all the denominations. Hence all the "heretics" burned, hence Catholics s Protestants, etc. Christianity didn't unify shit, it just eliminated anyone who didn't agree.

And it is only our ancestors of recent history. Our earlier ancestors had religions that are now almost entirely unknown because of Christianity.

I'm Bi with a strong preference for guys and I tell you, gay pride parades are gross.

>Don't blame others because you were raised in a broken home.
>A large number of these spoiled retards are the ones who CAUSED their broken homes
Is that some victim blaming i hear there? i thought you tumblrfags were all about not doing that.

>The kids who went to college? They're educated now. They talk about ideas instead of gossiping about other people.
You seem to think that going to college makes you better than the elders that have experience. This is a classic mistake that has been made over and over again in history. There is a reason why wisdom is attributed to the elderly. They have witnessed first hand what good and bad decisions people have made around them.

>Go ahead, attack the anti-intellectualism so you can create more of your own miserable stripe
Again, the feeling of superiority you have created around yourself due to a piece of paper that we all have is just ludicrous. Enjoy crashing into the same problems our ancestors tried to warn us about but you were to arrogant to listen.

>You seem to be under the impression that what people call cultural marxism is an organization rather than a school of thought.

I'm under the distinct impression that what people call cultural marxism is a crazy train of non-thought. It is believing imaginary boogimen meant to scare the fuckwits.

The real scary bit is that there so many gullible fuckwits about.


>The idea behind it is that all cultures are equal and none should be held up higher than other even if it has been proven to create more prosperous societies
That's a lie. It's never been about that. You just made that up.

> (See how islam is rarely critizised).
Islam is always criticized. You hear the dog whistle blow and your selective bias suddenly kicks in.

All Middle East goat-fucker religions are all the same, all shit, and we need to get rid of ALL of them.

> it also corrodes into attitudes of individuals, you aren't allowed to judge or show disdain for anyone even if they are actively indulging in self harming behaviors
You're witnessing people exercising their freedom of expression, but you're so stupid you don't even realize that's what it is. You hate so you condemn and make up phony isms to justify yourself. Newsflash: You're the degenerate. You're no better than Islam.

> These attitudes heavily undermine the traditional authorities that promoted strong roles and openly vilified the outcasts.
Yes, by all means worship the authoritarian police state and vilify the citizens and victims.

Is your "degree" in cultural marxism?

Seems like the muslim brotherhood has discovered pol.
> Except by muslims
> Family
Lol nope. It is viewed as a byproduct of not using condoms and nothing else. Their family structures are not comparable to what we have here. It's more like a clan of inbreds.
> self improvement
unchanged since the prophet fucked his first goat, and muslims havn't changed as well.
Islam is full scale degeneracy and the exact opposite of conservatism. It's what happens when you take collectivism and don't wipe it out after one generation.

>>The unifying Christian religion of our ancestors
Aren't there like +30,000 Christian denominations? What's so unifying about that?

I'm heterosexual and i wouldn't wear a suit covered in colored vaginas
I have nothing against gays and am friends with one- two relatively flamboyant ones (not Milo tier but close), but this is just beyond sexuality and identity. It's madness

I like dicks. I would never wear that suit either. It's gross and inappropriate.

Cuckservatism is dead. No more "conserving". We're forcing our will onto the world, and we are reacting to degeneracy.

Thanks. Normally I just shitpost for the bants, but I felt like being constructive today

We're going to purge all snowniggers just as we are going to purge all mudslimes and kikes. There will be no sanctuary for other cultures.

>Contemplate this on the tree of woe
underrated

>How are conservative values to be reintroduced in today's "post modern" society?
Islam you fucking idiot. Stop all the cognitive dissonance and open your eyes.

The only true religion is Wicca. Prove me wrong.

Yes, you now see the main argument against the protestant movement. Yet your Catholic countries have shown more resistance to the degeneracy than ours. Unity under one faith is better.

Go suck on a cat's anus, you kike magician.

>You seem to think that going to college makes you better than the elders that have experience.
What elders? I was talking about twenty and thirty somethings that never went to university, now they're in a basement shitposting about how bad school is. If course, if your elders are doing that, then sucks to be you.


>They have witnessed first hand what good and bad decisions people have made around them.
Retards get older but they never grow up. The seniors loved Bush. The seniors loved Adolf. the seniors love Trump. We're trapped in a cycle of the same authoritarian nonsense over and over.

>The feeling of superiority you have created around yourself due to a piece of paper that we all have is just ludicrous.
I think an education is essential to learning critical thinking skills and and performing mental tasks on a higher level than basement mold.

You think it's just a piece of paper because you're basement mold.

The main reason for degeneracy is lack of self control. Christianity is all about self control.
The penalty of lack of self control has always been death or serious injury. Antibiotics and advances in medicine have saved many from the effects of degeneracy. But the drugs are running out. Do you know what resistant syphilis does to you.
Like the lsd burn outs of the 60s and AIDS of the 80s. When the next evil hits the degenerate go to the wall.

Notice how you don't bring any argument. Because you can't. Wicca is the only religion worth following. Wicca is the future.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osculum_infame

If I ever become religious again I would be a Catholic. I mean, they believe in nonsense too but I think Catholicism is a neatly organized religious institution.

This is how.

Discussion online.

Face it:Old religions no longer convince people who know science. Sure, there are religious scientists, but the educated, wealthy, and scientific classes are much more atheist than average.

If society collapses and society becomes poor, of course, we may see a return to conservative values, but there will still be degeneracy, as there s in post-Soviet Russia (speeding on the freeway, drinking/smoking, whoring, etc.)

It will always be a duality, but if you believe in conservative values, live by them and spread them. That is how it will happen.

>face it
>who know science
>god isn't real, it's settled
The science is that fedoras don't breed.

>Is that some victim blaming i hear there? i thought you tumblrfags were all about not doing that.

see your own post here >There is a reason why wisdom is attributed to the elderly.

>hurr durr old people are inherently smarter

Not to discount the value of wisdom and experience, but you just completely sidestepped his point. so once again see your own post >Again, the feeling of superiority you have created around yourself due to a piece of paper that we all have is just ludicrous. Enjoy crashing into the same problems our ancestors tried to warn us about but you were to arrogant to listen.

sounds like the user your responding to is gainfully employed. NEETs like you choose to blame external bullshit instead of manning up and making changes. in short: you're an effeminate faggot and you act like a little girl.

No wonder queers like you live vicariously through queers like trump.

That's debunked Christian propaganda. You still can't prove Wicca is the only religion worth following. Just submit to the will of the Horned God and the Triple Goddess now.

>queers like trump.
I didn't know Trump was queer.

there is a study that can relate shitposting to not going to the university?

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>Retards get older but they never grow up The seniors loved Bush. The seniors loved Adolf. the seniors love Trump. We're trapped in a cycle of the same authoritarian nonsense over and over.

You are trying really hard to rationalize dismissing the older populations because it thinks different than you. Instead of looking down to them you should try to see why they think the way they do. also: >imlying Trump is not the right choice

>I think an education is essential to learning critical thinking skills and and performing mental tasks on a higher level than basement mold
What do you define as education? A man can spend his entire free time reading about multiple topics but because he doesn't have the certificate he can't apply to any of the jobs that use them. This system makes it so that going after the degree is more important than the knowledge itself. Essentially gorifying a piece of paper that anyone with enough money and time can get.

Plenty

This guys gets it.

This guy forgot to take the Yuri pill.
youtube.com/watch?v=KmWP7ONVEAI

>Literally calling someone a Cathar

Holy shit Christianity repeats itself.

then can you show me sources of those studies?

if anything i think its the opposite, most people on Sup Forums are most likely students or recent grads

Nice bipartisanship guys.

>cultural marxism is muh feelings

Instead of frequenting a board filled with closet fags and trannies / saving pictures of men covered in dildos to your PC, have you perhaps considered getting a job?

There's a reason "normies" consider you the flip side of the tumblrina coin.

Easy.

We create in-groups where only those with conservative/traiditional values are accepted or acceptable.

Honestly, what makes you think that i don't have a job? Do you feel the need of imagining that people that disagree with you are be filthy uneducated NEETs? What if i like to post here, aren't you doing it too?

Seriously, consider your life choices.

>What do you define as education? A man can spend his entire free time reading about multiple topics but because he doesn't have the certificate he can't apply to any of the jobs that use them. This system makes it so that going after the degree is more important than the knowledge itself. Essentially gorifying a piece of paper that anyone with enough money and time can get.
Thank you

I don't get it.

>You are trying really hard to rationalize dismissing the older populations because it thinks different than you
I was talking about older retards. Try to keep up.

>Instead of looking down to them you should try to see why they think the way they do.
I don't care how retards think. They're retarded.

>imlying Trump is not the right choice
Trump is such a bad choice he's made Hillary the best choice on the fucking planet.
Let's talk policy.
The wall panders to fear and bigotry, it will create more problems than it solves. The retards hate brown people so much they don't care.
Registering muslims in a national database is exactly what Hitler did to the jews. The retards think the passage of time has somehow made that a good idea.
Trump wants to send US troops into Middle East countries to fight ISIS. The retards forget how well that worked out in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Trump wants to end public education. The retards have no use for education anyway.
Trump wants to deport 11 million immigrants. The retards love to punish and torture immigrants.

It's time you stop hiking your skirt for whatever it is the retards want.

*Trump wants to deport 11 million ILLEGAL inmigrants

fixed for you

>What do you define as education?
Learning how to learn

>A man can spend his entire free time reading about multiple topics but because he doesn't have the certificate he can't apply to any of the jobs that use them.
You would fly in an airliner piloted by someone who trained himself? An auto-didact?
Yeah, you had to look that up, didn't you.
Yep, you're a retard.

>This system makes it so that going after the degree is more important than the knowledge itself.
That is the case. College is about learning how to learn. It's about reading dozens of textbooks designed to cram a lot of knowledge in a small space. It's about using critical thinking to get the wheat and discard the chaff. It's about learning how to perform mental tasks well under stress. It's all the things that sitting

You can convince me that US college is vastly overpriced, the textbooks are a racket and the student loans are a rigged system, but your phony anti-intellectualism is utter bullshit and you know it.

complaining about modern education isnt anti-intellectualism. In other times periods the only way to again any knowledge was to go to expensive schools; the internet has made this almost completely unnecessary (at least in terms of spending tens or hundreds of thousands)

>*Trump wants to deport 11 million ILLEGAL inmigrants. fixed for you

Did you?

When corporations break the law do you call them illegals?

When people drive faster than the speed limit, do you call them illegals?

Learn to recognize the propaganda and weasel words you're falling for.

No better yet, keep falling for it, because that's all you'll ever do. You'll never amount to anything more.

We will have to become sovereign and impose from above, same thing that is happening now. We could change the west in 5 years using the institutions of the government and its subsidiaries