Hey guys, who has experience with medical and the public hospital system?

hey guys, who has experience with medical and the public hospital system?

I suffered a pretty bad eye injury that requires maxillofacial surgery to repair the bones so that my eye is straight again and was referred to a medical compatible surgeon

I'm worried that medical surgeons might be worse. I'd rather pay money to make sure my eye works right. I kind of only have one shot at this and I don't want to be deformed

does anyone have any experience with all this, or know where I can get more info?

Why exactly are you asking for help on this subject on Sup Forums ?
Btw fly to Canada or Mexico and get it fixed there. It's better than getting eternal debt if you have surgery in the US

call a doctor

Wrack up as much debt as you can and declare bankruptcy. Let other people foot the bill.

It's the American way.

I don't fucking know where else to ask. maybe you guys know if there's some sort of medical forum I can ask on?

doctors referred me to a public hospital. but they don't really care if I nd up looking like frankenstein, the risk is acceptable to them.

when I told them I had money to pay for quality care, they didn't listen, and didn't care. they just told me to go to the public hospital.

I want the best chance of recovery.

I would do that as compensation for the taxes I've paid, but I don't know if it means I'll get low quality care

That is a myth. The people who get "burried" under debt from medical bills are too dumb to A) Fill out paperwork and B) file bankruptcy if A fails

Well, I'm an ER nurse and I work at a hospital.

My mother is a dentist who frequently refers patients to my city's biggest maxillofacial clinic and I've dated a few nurses/dental assistants from there.

My advice: I highly recommend you go through with the maxillofacial surgeon.

You will more than likely have med-school surgeons if you chose the other route at the hospital.
And yes. Hospitals are extremely -- EXTREMELY Jewish bulshit. I absolutely hate working under Ardent, the people who own the hospital group I work under. These people pay absolutely bare minimum and after buying any hospital, they run the place into the ground. I am only working here one more year for experience before moving.

Absolutely stick with Maxio. I know it's costly. But I'd far rather go to a Maxio surgeon who knows what they're doing and greedy to do a good job and get your money than a literally Jew hospital who charges you out the ass for shifty student work.

use the court appointed attorney of facial reconstruction for the lulz

Speaking of Ardent. These people basically hire brand new students so they can pay bare BARE minimum (starting at like $18/hr for a nurse when the national starting pay is $25/hr), find a way to fire anyone with more than 10 years of experience and to continually drive out any long term employees. They also have SHIT benefits, shitty administration and I'm dead serious -- literal Jews running the place. Stay away from any Ardent owned hospitals. It's a giant money bin and you're the loser as the patient.

I explained it a bit poorly, as I'm panicking a bit.

I was referred to a maxillofacial surgeon who works out of both he local public hospital as well as a local private hospital.

given this, it is highly unclear to me if I'll be getting better care if I were to go to a private hospital, or were I to do the surgery at a private clinic? given that all three are maxillofacial surgeons?

I don't think there is a possibility that the surgery be performed by anyone but a maxillofacial surgeon. Given that, I am simply seeking the best place to get the surgery done.

on other forums I've found so far, there are a variety of people whose eyes are off balance and they look like quasimodo. I can't tell if their injuries were just worse, or if they had hatchet jobs.

You cant declare bankruptcy on anything concerning medical expenses or student loans, you butt baby

How did you injure it?

Oh! Sorry.

Don't panic, bud.

Go to the private clinic. I once worked PRN at a private, doctor owned joint clinic and thE care was phenomenal compared to the three hospitals I've worked at.

Definitely do a private clinic with a solid reputation.

My wife is a Nurse Practitioner who also goes on Sup Forums. She says do the private clinic as well.

Listen to this anons wife,OP.She larps as a doctor.

Go to yale maxillofacial. There is also another guy in indiana who is really good

private clinic it is then.

I've heard horror stories about things that go wrong but never understood what exactly made a private practice better, except maybe, less things getting fucked up. which is all I really care about anyway

unfortunately I live about 1k miles away.

how would I go about finding a private practitioner?

Surgery is always a crapshoot. Usually licensing requirements ensure that your doctor will be competent, especially when it comes to these sorts of specializations.

My brother, who is an OMFS specialist, and sitting in the room with me, said to find and oculoplasics specialist and get there ASAP. Good luck op

OP is a bit brain damaged, and didn't explain what the choice even is.

"Oral & Maxillofacial surgery (OMS or OMFS) specializes in treating many diseases, injuries and defects in the head, neck, face, jaws and the hard and soft tissues of the Oral (mouth) and Maxillofacial (jaws and face) region. It is an internationally recognized surgical specialty. In some countries around the world, including the United States, Canada, Australia, and Israel, it is a recognized specialty of dentistry; in others, such as the UK and most of Europe, it is recognized as both a specialty of medicine and dentistry and a dual degree in medicine and dentistry is compulsory."

OP doesn't know if he should go to an ENT or a dental surgeon.

A tip OP: If you are concerned about having a deformed face, you need to approach a cosmetic surgeon with board certification who does ENT or dental. You will pay extra, but you claim to have the money. The MD ENT or the DDS dental surgeon will both leave horrifying scars and your eyes pointing in random directions.

Make sure they are board certified in cosmetic surgery. This surgery will cost a fucking fortune.

wow okay, so does he know the difference between an oculoplastic surgeon and a maxillofacial surgeon?

it sounds like the maxillofacial surgeon is less specialized, which is why I saw them in the ER. but the oculoplastic surgeon would specialize less in emergency complications and more in making sure I'm not fucking ugly. is that the gist of it? my google fu isn't working at the moment.

if that's the case, they'd reccomend maxillofacial because that's what government insurance would cover, even if it leaves me ugly. I'd rather elect to pay, if that's the case.

Paramedic here.

Started working as a basic for private companies, doing a lot of transports to and from ambulatory surgery centers.

Some are good, some are bad. Don't be afraid to ask a second or third opinion. Don't get a lady doctor.

IMO an old fuck works best, some poo in loos are decent, and most Asians are good, but almost too meticulous.

Good luck.

>Don't get a lady doctor.

>IMO an old fuck works best

Explain these. I feel I agree. For some reason female doctors can't handle the pressure and they crumble and start bitching. For some reason as white male doctors get older, the more they care about the patient's health.

I've had 3 surgeries, and in my experience, they'll fix you up, but god damn do they try their hardest to do the bare minimum

how would I know the difference? all I know si what they referred me to at the public hospital, which of course was for their own cost benfits rather than mine

this information isn't easy to find. especially not when your head is busted open and you're drugged up.

I'm gonna find an oculoplastic surgeon for a second opinion before going under the knife.

does anyone here know a site where I can find a ranking for surgeons or specialties? I was reading some oculoplastic surgeons do primarily what I need, and some do other stuff related to degernative disease. how do I choose a good one?

I was going to lean towards an old white or old asian man. I don't trust minorities, even though indians are discriminated enough against that they're actually probably good.

but really I just wnat to know what specialty to choose, and what kind of facility is best.

you'd think this would be easy to find, but there isn't really much clear information.

what the fuck happened op

i had surgery for a hernia when i was 16 and it went fine

i had a fractured orbital one time to but not bad enough to be repair

Insurance does cover cosmetic surgery (usually) if its for a legitimate medical reason.

It's mostly anecdotal, but I'll give you a real life scenario.

>Pt is paraplegic, in nursing home
>transport to lady doctor for increasing depression after death in the family (mother)
>lady doctor tells PT, "when the grief gets bad, just tap different parts of your head and face to distract you."
>PT nopes, requests grief counselor
>next week, transport same PT to grief counselor (lady)
>She's deaf
>"I can read lips really well though."
>PT is wondering if he killed a child in a past life to deserve this fuckery.
>gets second opinion
>old fuck doctor
>has a buddy who specializes in nursing home blues
>problem solved

Depends on where the most damage is user. Is it your eye or your mouth?

Call them and ask what he is board certified in. Also they may have a website.

Some doctors use hospital facilities depending in the surgery, so don't freak too much if the surgery is in the hospital.

I'd suggest a plastic surgeon consult like other anons said, preferably a private practice. They rely on reputation a lot more, and are more inclined to make you look like a normal human.

Dude, ask your fucking surgeon where he would rather do the surgery for the best possible outcome. Sometimes (most of the time, really) you should do what the fucking expert recommends.

fell. guess I have glass bones.

what would bare minimum be in the context of a deformation-fixing surgery?

I don't have insurance, so I got the impression they're fixing me for free on the gov dime and I'm unsure of the quality of care

it's my eye orbit. it's fractured and pushed in

thank you user

so the board certifies a specialty, or the board he is a part of verifies his rank/quality?

Pretty much this.

Get a couple of opinions from EXPERTS, then do what you think is best.

Go easy on OP, he's probably fucked on pain meds.

Fuck NO OP. They are not fixing you on Government dime. They are fixing you on YOUR dime.

Drop everything you are doing and go to the website for your States Medicaid. Apply now. Tonight. Get approved for Medicaid, then do the surgery and pray you live in a Democratic Party state. They tend to process applications quickly.

Vote no to socialized healthcare and it won't be a problem

Okay niggers? Need surgery but don't want it fucked up? Quick wanting free shit fucking niggers.

Be aware, if it's a bad enough break the longer you go without fixing it the more you could be damaging soft tissues.

Bones break into sharp edges, and everytime you move shit gets cut up.

Get a couple consults and get that shit fixed. You can always get cosmetic surgery later if it's that bad.

Just start a gofundme with a picture of your sloth-like mug.

yes, I was considering this. the initial referral was for a surgeon that also works out of a really good hospital nearby, and he's simply treating me at the public one because of my insurance.

but I also dn't know, as you said, if he has incentives to give better care at the private hospital

I meant to mention that n the op but I'm just freaking out. I don't want to be deformed, you know.

I haven't talked to him yet. I only talked to his doctor in training as the accident happened on the weekend. and they always say "yeah everything will be 100% fine" except they also refused to promise I wouldn't be deformed. I don't know if that's because of the quality of care?

either way, I never trust anything at face value. nearly 90% of everything I've been told in my life has been a lie. I try to get as close to the truth as I can

The medical staff at hospitals doesn't know how you are paying,

like the other guy said just let the bills pile up, they won't deny you treatment because of lack of payment, then just get a bankruptcy lawyer

>fly
with that injury i dunno

Always get a second opinion of everything as well.

This could help or hurt, but Google similar surgeries and look at the initial results.

Keep in mind the swelling goes down after a while, so you'd be seeing the worst case scenario.

Just tell chicks you were an MMA fighter or something if your face is fucked.

Strippers eat that shit up.

if you dont have insurance youll have to talk to the billing department of the hospital and prove you cant afford to pay they might ask for check paystubs and shit

but they will lower the bill amount and let you pay on a plan you can afford

They referred you to the Public hospital to save you personal costs, but unless you have applied for and been approved for Medicaid, the Government ain't going to be paying for shit. That liability will be all you.

I already applied for medicaid. god knows I've paid in excess for it already

I'm concerned maybe a bone cut a nerve. part of my face is numb now.

the problem with my thing is that it concerns the placement of the eye. it's almost impossible to fix after the first go because the optic nerve tends to shorten.

they might not. you're right.

I'm just paranoid about the surgery fucking up. it's not like a kidney where I can just lose it. it's my fucking eye.

chicks dig facial scars. I don't really care about the surgery incision, because I'm not a fag. but I don't want a quasimodo eye man.

You've been given a gift.

Don't squander it.

Become the hero we need, chameleon man.

Kek wills you to tattoo your skin green and fight crime if they botch the surgery.

I broke my femur, shattered arm, shattered finger, broken T12, joint ligament tears in both shoulders.
Rod goes through femur, anchoring pins fucking sticking out of bone bout 1/2 inch, lots of inflamation, 6 months later, decide they need to come out, takes 8 months to get in.
Plate in arm, again having elbow problems, have had it checked several times, they don't want to fix/change/remove it.
Finger (pinky) shattered, luckily had someone on the inside I knew (orthopedic surgeon) he saved my ass by basically forcing them to do the surgery they would've ignored.
Joint tears - had it looked at, tears are big enough they won't heal, could use surgery, no surgeon will do it.

Basically unless you really over-exaggerate the problems you are having, they won't do jack shit. It's like a medical car wash. Go through, get what you're lucky enough to get, then they send you out and don't want to follow up

>eternal debt

At least in BC people who are not Canadian citizens have to pay for their own healthcare (well they can get travel health insurance and shit but whatever)

Go with the specialist OP.
Do not, I repeat, DO NOT GO WITH THE GENERAL SURGEON.

A general surgeon operated on my mother's throat and accidentally cut her vocal cords. She never spoke properly again.

Never skimp on your health.

Is that a parody of american healthcare, or you are actually serious?

this sounds uniquely candian in terms of problems

they'll definitely do any procedure here. they make money for it. the quality is the concern du jour

jesus fuck

when you say general surgeon, what do you mean? lke, he was a generalist throat surgeon? I wasn't aware there was a surgeon that does everything

in terms of what I need, the maxillofacial surgeon might be the "generalist" in terms of who can do it. but I'm not sure.

if anyone has insight, or a good idea of where to ask, before I get my first consult, I'd appreciate it

dude, just cut it out and grow a new one back in.
its not that hard.

nothing I've posted so far is a parody. I'm not exactly sure how the entire thing works, but I'm relatively certain they tend to patch people up for anything that doesn't cost a hundred thousand dollars regardles of ability to pay

like I said, the thing is, in terms of quality,a sloppy procudure of some sorts might not really matter much. but this is my face. it fucking matters. I'm not saying it WILL be bad, I just don't want to take my chances.

I'm sure in every country there are ways of maximizing this sort of thing

That's nothing.

One time while getting my physical, they kept making weird faces while grabbing my balls.

Kept making me cough over and over.

Then the doctor came in and was wondering who these people were.

>pic related
So far the healthcare here is good, they know there shit when it comes to broken bones and cancer.

not to turn this into a political thread but I'm more or less 100% glad I live in america right now. I've heard of people who CAN pay for these sorts of things being denied because it's not life threatening and doctor services for private care are similarly rationed alongside public care, even in the case of time sensitive shit.

I definitely didn't enjoy the ER though. I was literally the only white person in the 60 person waiting room. minorities are destroying out healthcare system

Physician assistantfag here.
Find an orthopedic surgeon on your own. Most orthopedic surgeons deal with people without insurance. Think of their patients: a lot of them are very irresponsible risk takers or thrill seekers. A lot are kids doing kid things. Nevertheless, some of the best ortho surgeons in the nation will see you if you have no insurance and will still treat you. Only hard part is you doing research. Thank goodness we have google.

Good luck though, bro. That's a doozy of a fracture. Don't be surprised if the surgeon you pick says you MIGHT lose your sight in your afflicted side.

an orthopedic surgeon seems much more general than what I've already been referred.

what would be the advantage of
1. a more generalist
2. finding him on my own

it seems to run counter to the rest of what I've been reading

>an orthopedic surgeon seems much more general than what I've already been referred.
An orthopedic surgeon is more general than a general surgeon? That's news to me.
>1. a more generalist
I don't know your situation in great detail so I can't give you very accurate information. Nevertheless, from what I understand, you have a bone problem. You want to go to a guy who deals with bones. A general surgeon deals mostly with issues not pertaining to bones (appendix removal for example). IMO, I'd rather have a bone guy there for bone problems.
>2. finding him on my own
Why not? It's your life and you live in a free country where you have the option to choose any provider you want. You never know if the doctor you're being referred to is complete garbage or not. Search around. Find someone with good reviews. Call their office and set up an appointment, or ask the doctor that saw you to do so.

When I was 15 years old, my father got diagnosed with prostate cancer with liver metastasis.

The entire family was destroyed for a week, until we got the results of the actual biopsy: It was nothing. I cried of relief, and he could not believe it.

Two years later, my mother died of actual cancer.

Such is life.

>people continue to give OP advice for something that doesn't even belong on the board
>continues to find ways to talk himself out of it

really makes you think...

I've been referred to a maxillofacial surgeon. I've been led to believe from a variety of sources that an even more specialized discipline might be oculoplastic surgery. Those are what I am considering at the moment

I live in a highly developed part of america. I am not sure what the situation is like in other parts of america, where such small distinctions in practice might not exist.

>finding him on my own
I'm still not entirely sure what to be looking for. is there some sort of public ledger of botched operations or something?

what did I talk myself out of? I am weighing my options

Ask multiple surgeon experts, not tards on Sup Forums

>public hospital system

They treat you like shit. Don't ever expect them to respond to your calls.

>be me, living in Connecticut
>be NEET with no health insurance
>crash my motorcycle with no helmet and roadrash my face
>get top tier Connecticut plastic surgeon to fix up my face
>hospital bill comes in the mail a few weeks later
>le trashman.jpg

I love being white

Don't worry. If they fuck up the aesthetic of your face you can sue them, the waver form does not cover severe disfigurement or loss of function regardless of what they say. They might try to take you to court, to frighten you over the expense but they will lose in the long run. That said, it has to be a noticeable problem.

The thing is your face will be absolutely fucked up with swelling for weeks. You will look terrible, some people complain of looking like a freak show. So you won't really know the result for a while.

Maxfacs surgeons are pretty good at the aesthetic thing, it's part of their job. I wouldn't worry if I were you. They do this hundreds of times and hospitals hate being sued.

>You cant declare bankruptcy on anything concerning medical expenses

You are misinformed friend.

If I'm not mistaken its one of the top three reasons for personal bankruptcy.

t. medical expenses bankrupted me and I had medical insurance guy

>paying a kike lawyer to declare bankruptcy
ISHYGDDT. just throw the bills out. After ten years or so (not as long as it sounds kiddos) it won't show on your credit report anymore. Just wait out your denbts. It's working for greece

>. just throw the bills out.

Umm. No thanks for the shitty financial advice.
I wasn't about to lose my house and the mountain of unsprung equity in it.

you cant just throw the bills out

if you dont make an effort to work with the hospital they will fuck you

this is somewhat comforting. somewhat.

I imagine the horror stories are the ones you're more likely to hear

I just worry about the margin of difference between a great and an okay surgeon. maybe the good one will fix me the first time and the mediocre one will leave flaws, such as weird looking eyes

bill collecting is highly variable. the more respecable you are, the more you have to lose in court.

it's a kind of back-asswards application of the law which distorts incentives.

on medical I'm really conflicted. on one hand, we have some of th best care in the world. on the other hand, half of the cost is paying for niggers.

anyway guys thanks for the help. I'll feel a little safer with the maxofacial guy, but still get a second opinion no matter what

if it's fucked up, I'll just binge on drugs and hookers in thailand before offing myself

You're a home owner? Wtf are you doing on Sup Forums? This is a website for NEET kiddos

pics of wife? I'm an RN and I fucking love nurses

also OP go somewhere private or a reputable surgeon who works out of a reputable hospital, summer is hell in the hospital... you're going to get nothing but indian med students in the summer becuase all the doctors are vacationing

Lol nope. I've stiffed thousands of dollars of student loan debt, med debt, even lawsuit judgements against me by former employers. I just threw the bills out and waited. Now my credit score is normal again. Even the student loan feds eventually gave up. They tried to garnish my paycheck once but it didn't work. I called the payroll company and got back the money they tried to take

Debt is an idea, never forget that. If govts don't have to pay their debts, why should you?

And don't tell me it can't be done - I fucking DID it, fool

i dont see how that would just work

how did you do it

Well to be fair, it works better when you're a doorway who doesn't give a fuck about your credit rating because you can't afford a house or a new car anyway lol. It's still pretty GOAT tho.

Throwing bills in the trash. Normies will never know this feel. Feelsgoodman.gif

Get the most expensive surgery from the best doctors and then simply declare bankruptcy afterwards. It's the American way.

tfw im a schizophrenic neet and get medicaid

they just do it for free

Well yeah. Tfw!

I'm ex British Army combat medic. I now work on a mountain rescue team. My wife is an intensive care nurse.
I don't know much about surgery. Healthcare is free in England. My experience is in immediate first aid. Eye injuries often require very delicate work. Go and see your doctor. He/she will probably refer you to a specialist.
I don't know about your country's system, but if you come to UK you'll get what you need for free. Surgery is always invasive. And can cause damage. But it's your eyesight, mate. Can you put a price on that?

Replace your eye with a cybernetic implant

Augment your vision

NEVER trust an Indian based Doctor