French point of view

... on the latest non-issue the medias are turning into a huge problem.

Cannes mayor (and few others) decided to exploit Nice tragedy and misinfo (the corsican troubles were never about burkinis) to get the FN votes. This gave us the "burkini" ban.

Nothing about it make sense legally. They don't define what a "burkini" is suppose to be and don't explain how it's supposed to be harmful to society. You might be perfectly in board against the burkini and the veil in general, this doesn't make sense.

What is supposed to be problematic ?
> The religious part ?
Beachs are not schools, beachs are nothing more than a street with sand. If you ban religious clothing there, you ban ALL religious clothing everywhere. As for banning specifically muslim clothing, we still have something called freedom of religions in our constitution.

> The covering flesh part ?
Then why are you still allowed to wear diving suit ? Actually how the fuck do you find the difference between a diving suit with a bathing cap from a burkini ? Muslims women could actually fuck with the system by saying it's a diving suit, any tribunal with a hint of logic will cancel the fine.

> security problems
Burkinis are NOT covering the face (which is, by the way, the only legal reason for banning Burqa and Hijab in France) so it's not a reason.


There's no legal support to this ban and you know the conseil d'etat will break every fine and remove the mayor decret. Sure I'm against the burkini and argue muslim women should get their shit together and adopt the local culture. The burkini is morronic but you DON'T make laws to prevent people from being morrons. Being stupid is a fundemental right.

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>(the corsican troubles were never about burkinis)
You're right; they were about the kuffars' refusal to wear burkinis. Completely different thing.

I guess it is less about the law itself and more about demonstrating that such a law is possible, that the executive is still the boss in the country.

No ? They were about muslim dealers trying to privatize the beach for their business and running into locals.

And the burkini was a prong in the attack.

"Get those sluts off OUR beach" said the mohammedans.

MUH FREEDOM OF RELIGION

Yeah but laws (and this isn't law, it's a municipal decret, which is just a little better than middleschool internal regulations) have to be justified by judicial logic. You don't pop out a low out of fucking nowhere just because you think it's a good idea, it has to be in sync with all the other laws and constitution.

And as for now, it doesn't make any sense.

of course it's just the right doing token things to attract would be FN voters

lamo whats actualyl happening in france your countrys a mess

DESU I don't gt the Burkini ban.

By banning types of clothing you're just being a Muslim by another name. I don't care if they wear it, just don't have them force other people to wear it.

>DESU

Well, neither is the ban on ketchup in your country justified by judicial logic.

>people comparing banning headscarves to jewish yellow stars in french media

Those women are the equivalent of jews crying about discrimination when asked to remove their yellow stars at the end of the third reich.

Fuck off, you apologist cunt.

>ban on ketchup
There's no such thing.

the ban of swimming trunks is based on "hygene"

Apparentely a judge accepted the ban on the burkini because it is too provocative and a display of fundamentalism since muslims could go to the beach before, why should they not be allowed to go dressed in proper attire: without burkini.

Freedom of religion should be scrapped from every western constitution.

Anyone who doesn't want to renounce the desert deathcult can go back.

Ayyyyyyyy

REMINDER THAT MUSLIMS ARE FORBIDDEN BY THE QURAN TO LIVE IN NON MUSLIM COUNTRIES

Pff what good does banning a burkini do? Someone could get the same effect with a long sleeve T-shirt and some leggings.

I don't want the Islamisation of Europe, but by doing the things the Muslims themselves do you're just Islamising Europe yourself.

>if you kill them, they win

So much fucking this

kek. I went to Narvik this summer (google.no/maps/@68.4496966,17.4551826,222m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=no)

There were mudslime women bathing in their burkas and shit. There were probably like 15 in a group.

how's the weather there, ahmed?

It's more fun to let them look ridiculous and mock them than ban something outright.

I personally want Muslims to have every reason to get mad and attack us. Our people have literally torched their mosques and ripped burqas off of muslim women in the street and they've done nothing, I want them angry and I want them attacking so our people can attack them back with ten times more zeal and 100 times more ferocity.

Bring it the fuck on, ban that fucking bin bag.

That doesn't change anything for the, when it comes to France, though

It is a provocative religious symbol.

>but by doing the things the Muslims themselves do you're just Islamising Europe yourself.
You're allowed to go to the beach if you aren't wearing ostentatious and provocative clothing in a country that's currently in an emergency state after a series of bombings and shootings directly inspired from the religion you're practicing.

was to lazy to put "inb4 a retard says france is a muslim country" in my post desu

It's just bantz, franchouillard

no shit sherlock

The Muslim menace is not a non issue. The problem is that French law is inherently racist against the French people, so you aren't allowed to call it what it is. Thus, these stupid euphemisms are the only legitimate way you can express the argument.

Realistically you should just kill or expel every musulman in the country instead.

It seems like a false flag to distract from something else. Like the gov wants to show the appearance its reacting to all the attacks from the last year to appease nationalistic views. While drumming up sympathy from libs and sjws. Islam a shit but banning burkinis is pretty retarded.

>You're allowed to go to the beach if you aren't wearing ostentatious and provocative clothing in a country that's currently in an emergency state after a series of bombings and shootings directly inspired from the religion you're practicing.

>We are having multiple terror attacks each year
>All of them Islamic

What do we do?

>I know, lets ban a specific item of clothing from a specific place

That's dumb. If you really wanted to crack down on it you'd just go straight after Islam itself. And there's no reason to not do it. Many ideologies are looked down upon or outright illegal already.

The fundamental aspects of Islam are the kind of shit that would be banned already were it not wrapped in a veneer of a "religion".

Because, according to a poll, 8% of french are muslims?

Because you can't just simply do shit like that when the majority of your parliament belongs to a leftist party?

Because endorsing or going against a specific religion is forbidden in the secular french republic?

It's not as easy as "gas the kikes, race war now". That these laws have been enacted in France of all countries is already a huge thing, you know.

It is that easy. Muslims must die.

>only 8 %

Either it's the "official numbers" and you can be sure we are at least near 20%, or I just have been living too long in Paris.

If you take public transport (except in the morning for the work rush), you feel like going in the middle of Africa.

For fuck sake, i actually lived in Africa for 2 years and sometime it wasnt this bad.

>Went to my favourite beaches in Normandy this year.
>Very quiet and peaceful places, not too crowded, clean water etc.
>Usually NO nigs or sandnigs to be seen.
>This year i counted no less than 4 islamic bitches with burkinis. Like every two days for a week after the beginning of the burkinigate.

Guess what : NO families with them, NO bearded assholes, NO camels and NO imams NO other women around...

Leftists associations brought them on purpose, they were all escorted by good ol' white antifas type of guys. Like security teams.

> Every time i saw them, they stayed like half an hour, floating miserably like half-dead seals. And then were escorted back to their minivan, prolly to go annoy people elsewhere on other beaches.

I'm deeply convinced that they were provoking everyone in order to film or take pictures of some """"racist"""" incident. People around looked triggered each time but nothing happened...

It's not by constantly LARPing on Sup Forums about how you're going to knife every muslim you see that things are going to change.

There's no ethnic census, which is why I quoted a poll.

Franchement, Paris c'est pas la France. Tu sous-estime le nombre de personnes n'habitant pas dans de grosses métropoles urbaines qui boostent le chiffre de chrétiens (même si la majorité de la population reste quand même athéiste).

Frankly, the burkini is a political and ideological tool, nothing else. It's not even acceptable going by muslim standards.

>be muslim
>spread culture which so far has been inseperable from religion where ever i go
>be unable to express criticism towards own religion/culture out of fear of retaliation or because i actually believe and practice and am the one punishing other for doing so
>culture has problems with extremism and violence
>want to allow said extremism under the disguise of "muh religion/muh opression"
>extremism remains unchallenged
>culture remains unchallenged


as long as islam remains as it is now, i will oppose all forms of expression for it. they fail to integreate because of it. the fail to be assimilated because of it. i dont even want to know how bad things are in france compare to some areas here in germany.

offtopic: are nude beaches with pork barbecue on it hell for muslims or what do they think about it?

t. north east german with lots of nude beaches

>Because, according to a poll, 8% of french are muslims?

So? If 8% of France were pedos that doesn't make it unbannable

>Because you can't just simply do shit like that when the majority of your parliament belongs to a leftist party?

That's democracy for you.

>Because endorsing or going against a specific religion is forbidden in the secular french republic?

This is the problem. Having some ideas be protected from the possibility of being banned, while others are fair game is ridiculous. A religion is just a collection of beliefs and ideas. The fact that countries can ban ideas like holocaust denial means that they must be open to banning other ideas too. But they're not. This is what I was talking about with the absolute shit ideas found in Islam are safe because they're under the banner of "religion".

>It's not as easy as "gas the kikes, race war now". That these laws have been enacted in France of all countries is already a huge thing, you know.

It's so stupid. You could isolate many of the ideas in Islam and the government would come after you for "hate speech". But as soon as you collect them all together and call it "Islam" you're safe.

I just think the burkini ban is pointless and just a way for politicians to be seen as doing something without actually doing anything.

I moved to Paris a couple of years ago for work, was living in the country side before.

I miss it. I've seen more black and sand niggers in 5 minute of public transportation in Paris than in the 5 years before that in the country side.

They tell us muzz are less than 10% of the pop, funny how they make 90% of the french news.

One day I will be so mad I will finally slip and reveal my power level to my coworker. I still have to hear "but national frontiers are useless because If some poor war refugee want to come in they will find a way !" regularly and all that kind of crap.

I think that how you became a man nowadays. You live all your life being sure that people are reasonable creature before finding out that most of the "smart" and "leader" one are living so far from your reality that they sound delusional.

Or maybe i'm the one who is paranoid and the situation is fine, litteraly am on the "wrong side of history". Only time will tell.

Booty bothered/10

Muslamic Defense Force please go

>I just think the burkini ban is pointless and just a way for politicians to be seen as doing something without actually doing anything.


THIS

The 2017 presidential election is coming fast.

Islam is the only religion so far that has tried (and still tries) to force its way into France's politics in order to create cultural polemics, and that's a bad thing.

And I'm saying that as a sandnigger.

No, were not going to knife them all. But we do need to kill them all. It is literally their prophecy that once they outnumber non Muslims they well have a world war where they kill everyone else. We must destroy them now before they reach critical mass.

> Banning clothing
You should've just jumped the shark and banned Muslims

>f you ban religious clothing there, you ban ALL religious clothing everywhere
I don't get this argument. Are nuns in their full habbit bombing anyone? Is Santa bombing anyone?

Muslims are being singles out, but why is that wrong under the circumstances ? I get that it's not nice, but that can't be the main concern when violent attack are being carried out.

Just go out of big cities, I live an hour from Paris and it's already surprising if you meet more than a couple arabs during the day

Fuck off Mohammed
Burka has been banned for years and the burkini is basically a beach burka
The ban makes sense and should have been enforced from the beginning

> The covering flesh part ?
> security problems


Those are obviously not the issue, Ahmed
The issue is that only someone mentally challenged (aka muslim extremist) would wear this crap while bathing at the beach
And France is at war with muslim extremist
Allowing it lead to communautarism, muslims who live in France should adapt and give up their retarded customs overtime

If you allow them to live like in their shitholes, they'll turn France into another shithole instead of becoming civilized themselves

Question pour mes francais-bros. just moved here from America. I see a decent amount of women wearing hijabs or traditional Arab garments. Is this a first generation thing? Do the kids become normal French people who have a pain au chocolate every day for breakfast, instead of hummus?

>north east german
disgusting Ossi, kill yourself.

Anyways you do have a point. The dangerous about Islam is the ideaology itself. Every muslim, no matter how moderate he/she is helps to spread this ideology, which in its core is an medival worldview that never went through a phase of enlightenment.
However, Frenchbro has a point as well. You either go against all of mulsim clothing, like burkas or you don't.
Just banning burkinis is bullshit.

t. south easter german

Where are you from exactly?

Where are my zero sized models.

*BANNED*

This. Muslims want a global caliphate with everyone in the world being a Muslim because the Koran demands it. Islam is literally a virus and its only goal is the complete assimilation of everyone, everything, everywhere and everywhen..... forever. We have to extinguish the virus that is Islam before it infects the whole world. We have to kill all Muslims (and I do mean ALL MUSLIMS) or else they'll kill all of US.

It's actually the opposite. The previous generations were cool compared to this lot. Young Muslims across Europe are for more likely to be radical than their parents.

It depends of the family
Some kids become hardcore fundies with burka and all, and some are Westernized
Btw, the headscaf doesnt mean shit anymore
A lot of young muslim women wear it but in an attention whoring way ("hey I'm so different from other wimmin, pround muslim woman XDDD") and still do degenerate thing all over the place

It's usually second generation banlieue kids who are confused by their identity

Their parents try their hardest to integrate into french culture but communitarianism + wanting to go back to their "arab roots" (they have never visited their country of origin most of the time) leads to radicalization

It's not radical for them to do what their evil holy book preaches. You are making a distinction where none exists by pretending there is such a thing as a Muslim who is not evil.

>Their parents try their hardest to integrate into french culture

They really don't
Not only a lot of them barely speak French, but they also try to undermine the French education given to their kids at school by overritting on it with their 3rd world bullshits when at home

now i am in pic related but lived further east and in NRW before, which is why i know how different it all can be.

shame kiel gaarden exists...

...

Most muslims don't even read the quran and just do basic shit that everyone does while saying it is all about interpretation. That's how it works in Morocco, at least.

I don't think all muslims are equally bad. Just because you cherrypick from a shitty arabo-centric war religious book doesn't mean you're going to join ISIS tomorrow. That's how I view it, at least.

I'm basing that on my personal experience, having family in France.

Burka is banned not because of religious aspect but because it hide the face.

Our leaders are coward, that why they are struggling so much with this kind of shit

1st generation parents are heavily responsible for the crominalization and integration failure of their children
They don't teach them to respect the law, they don't teach them to respect the host country...all they teach them is islam and love for the country of origin

Hey France, remember when you helped us with our revolutionary war? We got your back this time.

In France? YES, of course! If you don't like it, why don't you move to one of those countries where they'll cut your clit off?

If you let wearing hijabs or burkas become a majority-behaviour it will lead to social pressure, and eventually legal pressure, on others to conform. This is how the hijab/burka has become almost uniform in the middle east.

Islamism is like communism in that it spreads in free societies and then takes over and abolishes freedom.

>French point of view
Nice try Ahmed, don't you have mama Fatima to take to Morocco so she can strut around the beach in her burkini?

He's only using his brain kid, don't worry one day you will too.

>i have family living in France.
They have to go back.

Martinique ta mère you fucking mudslime

They are half-french

It's not about interpretation. The book says so. I can't help it if you're semi literate, or too lazy to read your own damn scripture. But if you won't even read it to know what your religion says, then why do you worship it? How can you purport to tell other's what it means when you don't know yourself.

Seems it's you cherry picking what to believe, not I.

Too bad.

I'm not defending Islam, dude. It IS all about interpretation. I know how violent the book is, but it doesn't matter when 90% of muslims don't read the book.

>Seems it's you cherry picking what to believe, not I.
I was talking about muslims when I was mentioning the cherry-picking, don't worry.

This muslim in Martinique also chimped out in the other thread

Frogbro, why the fuck do you care so much? You should be supporting it 150%

Pissing off, disrupting, offending and forcing them out of their comfort zones should be fully backed.

These are the locusts that came to your country, fucking shit up and killing your citizens countless times.
This is the necessary beginning.

No, we paid back la fayette at the battle of bellau wood.

If they want our help this time they'll take it on credit. Remember, they betrayed us when we invaded Iraq.

Just because they have a French flag doesn't mean they are French. That is the sorry state of affairs all across the western world.
>don't worry they will eventually integrate
Fucking bullshit.

>Remember, they betrayed us when we invaded Iraq.
Iraq was a mistake and the whole reason this mess is happening in the first place.

I truly have no patience anymore for these bullshit laws and bullshit outfits.
I just want every shitskin to GTFO back to Africa or at the bottom of the Mediterranean, whichever they prefer.

He's a shitskin. We've got a lot of those here for some reasons.

>Frenchies debate about cloth-bans instead of the year-long useless state of emergency
lyl

i don't see how showing more skin equates to being liberated or more "free"? who fucking cares?

You mean in other threads. I'm not muslim, I just try to use my brain. You are not old enough to understand the stupidity of this law.

If they do not follow it, then by what right do they call themselves Muslim?

It's not about that, tard
It's about banning the symbols of muslim extremist (since we're too pussy to ban muslims themselves)

No, moehommad is the whole reason this is happening in the first place. The only mistake in Iraq was not killing more hajis.

By the right of following a religion that offers them peace of mind and spirituality.

I'd rather have that moderate islam than radicalism everywhere.

Oh, so you're baiting, nevermind.

Blame your communist politicians.
How many French feel the same?

>No, we paid back la fayette at the battle of bellau wood.
No you didnt
Your pussy involvement in WW1 was an irrelevant joke
You did repay your debt by saving us in WW2 though

>Remember, they betrayed us when we invaded Iraq.
Are Americans this dense?
I thought by now even y'all bunch of fat retards had understood it was a mistake

They aren't following their religion. They're basically making up some bullshit. The koran explicitly forbids exactly this behavior. By your standard, I'm a better Muslim than you say 90% of Muslims are.

Just banning Islam would be easier.

LoL we quite literally won the first world war for you. You had extincted an entire generation of your young men in a hopeless stalemate with the Germans until our infusion of fresh troops pushed you over the top.

And the only mistake in Iraq was leaving without slaughtering more Muslims.

More than what TV would like you to think, less than what could make a real change

I don't give a shit about what the quran says or if they're making up bullshit. Religion is a way to acquire mental and spiritual stability. If it helps them endure life, then great! Who cares about what the quran's islamic political system says about that?

Why are you so against "moderate muslims"?

>And the only mistake in Iraq was leaving without slaughtering more Muslims.
Do you even understand what created the current mess in the ME, apart from "lol mudslimes aren't humans bomb em all"?

You quite literally were irrelevant as shit in WW1
Germans were starving because of the British blockade, and the French lead 100 days offensive that finished the German Empire could easily have happened without the few US troops you sent
Man, we literally had to arm your troops with our own equipment and to form them to fight....you can't make this shit up

Wrong, i live in Paris and lived for years in Nice, Paris is filled with black people and Nice by arabs, and i'm pretty sure it's the same in Marseille, Roubaix, Calais etc, even in college, in Paris i was the only white guy in my class, and in Nice we were like 3 or 4, i would not be surprised if France was 15% muslim honestly, and this number will only grow up faster and faster

Je viens de dire parler de "personnes n'habitant pas dans de grosses métropoles urbaines".

Roubaix, Paris, Nice, Calais, et Marseille sont justement des villes connues pour leurs populations immigrées.

>even in college, in Paris i was the only white guy in my class, and in Nice we were like 3 or 4
Really? That sounds surprising, honestly.
Which kind of college were you in?